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Would a federal sales tax be more equitable than the current federal income tax?

  • Federal Sales Tax is a sin to God

    In 2 Samuel 24, King David considered taxing the people. To God the Personal Income Tax is considered claiming ownership of people. That’s why there was none before 1913 in America.
    Every empire that did that fell. So will America if they don’t switch. I actually think it is too late.

  • No more loop holes, More money in everyones pocket.

    Its simple, Efficient, And gets rid of loop holes!

    1. If you have expensive tastes and like blowing money well guess what you will pay more taxes! (left likes when the rich pay more)
    2. If you are poor you pay fewer taxes because you have to be more frugal.
    3. Everyone will pay into the system which includes non-citizens, People payed under the table, Even tourists just visiting, There is no loop holes.
    4. How about the fact you actually take home a bigger pay check instantly! And have more control over where your money goes.
    5. Businesses save money across the board from small companies to large including the federal government because time and money will no longer be wasted dealing with filing tax forms every quarter or year, Tracking all your spending, Audits, And the IRS essential becomes obsolete or smaller.

    I can go on and on.

    The only thing I would make tax free or limit are the essentials (items you need not want):

    1. Essential Foods. Like Fresh Produce, Dairy, And meats.
    2. Housing. Not necessarily tax free but a curve where the more expensive the house the more you pay. Ex. 200K would be 3% but 400K would be 10%. But based on the median home price for the area.
    3. Utility bills. Water, Gas, Electrical.

    I would vote and support and candidate who supports a federal sales tax.

  • A fare tax for the middle class.

    Those of us in the middle class are carrying the load of debt in this country. We need to get everyone who benefits from the commons to pay there fair share. We could save millions if not billions of dollars which could be used to keep our military at top levels of readiness. We need to have the best to keep China and Russia in check so there ruthless governments cant spread there corrupt way's.

  • It would be more fair

    At the rate the Government is spending , it might be the easiest way to reduce the National Debt and the $100's of billions in interest we are paying each year. That money used for interest could go to more important things. If we had a growing surplus , that interest could go onto the budget.

  • Fair and equitable

    Sales consumption tax works for me. No tax on basics, housing, food, clothing and medicine/medical. When it comes to housing I mean those paying rent. If you are buying a home than maybe a 1 or 2 % tax which helps over infrastructure (sewer, power, safety, ..Ect). Personal vehicles 5 to 10 % for infrastructure ( roads, bridges, safety). Everything else 12 to 17%. EVERYONE pays including corporate America and city, county, state and fed governments no exemptions. Medical/prescriptions/dental/vision exemption except for elective procedures (ie...Tinted glasses vs standard or standard dentures vs implants, appendix removal vs tummy tucks or implants that change or modify your appearance).

  • Simpler, less corrupt, supports jobs

    Fair tax would save on tax prep hassle and cost, reducing compliance costs and tax evasion. It would also drastically reduce congressional corruption and the corporate lobbying industry weight on consumer prices, as there would be no tax code into which to lobby tax favors. A federal sales tax should include a monthly prebate to each household to cover the taxes on a poverty level of spending, or exempt certain goods from taxation like most state sales tax programs do. The trade balance and domestic jobs should see improvement, as imports would now be subject to the sales tax and domestic producers would not have the expense of income taxes. To make it more progressive than The Fair Tax, however, I would include a small (like 0.1%) tax on investment transactions (trade value, not earnings), except for trades within retirement or eductational savings accounts.

  • Of Course It Would

    This idea is so simplistic, fair and easy to implement it will probably never happen. Not to mention the fact that the entire IRS department would be out of work.
    Plenty above have provided the necessary facts and figures. I just wanted to add to the "Yes" column of votes.

  • It would decrease the size and power of the IRS

    It would follow the same processes as used in states with sales tax; it would involve fewer entities as only sellers would be dealing directly with the government; it would be fair because I believe that in most or all states with sales taxes, essential items such as food, medicine, etc. are not taxed at all, so non-essential items only would be taxed. Of course, there will be lobbing over what items are "essential"...

  • Current income tax is way too progressive and discourages hard work

    Federal Sales tax would discourage spending (incentivize saving) which is good for long term stability. Also u could give a flat credit back which takes out the regressive aspect. Current income tax disincentivizes hard work, which is stupid. We should encourage work, and allow people to keep what they earn.

  • Federal Sales Tax

    A Federal sales tax on everything but uncooked food would not harm poor people. As a matter of fact removing Federal Income tax on wages would help poor people. Income taxes on wages did not exist until 1951 and it was 1% and money made on money (Capital Gains Tax) was taxed on an average of 40%. If capital gains went back to 40% and not assessed on savings and individual retirement accounts and there was a federal sales tax of 7% on all but uncooked food federal income would be increased 42% more than enough to pay off the deficit in 10 years and there would be no business tax except on the 7% of purchases world wide so they would have a great decrease in taxes as well and no need for a minimum wage as incomes would increase.

  • A shift of entire burden to the individual - mostly middle to low income

    In listening to the discussion, it struck me that a retail tax on goods and services, but no sales tax on wholesale or to make product - i.e. no Corporate or business would be paying any tax, would shift the burden to people. The high income earners will form businesses to shelter purchases from the 23% sales tax proposed. The rest of us, without money to manipulate purchases through shell companies will foot 100% of what previously was collected from businesses and Elitists (as well as middle income earners).

  • A federal sales tax would not equitable across the board

    Retail sales occur when businesses sell goods or services to households. Business-to-business transactions are not retail sales because the purchase is used as an input, not as household consumption. Household-to-household sales of goods or services are not included, either, since tax should have already been paid when the good was originally sold to a household from a business. For example, the sale of a newly constructed home to a family that will occupy it is a retail sale. But the sale of that same newly constructed home to a business that is planning on renting it to others is not a retail sale. Nor is a sale of an already existing home from one occupant to another.





    Measuring the sales tax rate would seem to be a simple problem. Suppose a good costs $100 and there is a $30 sales tax placed on the item. Most people would probably consider that to be a 30 percent sales tax, since the tax is 30 percent of the selling price. This is known as the tax-exclusive tax rate. An alternative would divide the $30 tax payment by the total cost to the consumer ($100+$30), making it a 23 percent rate. This is known as the tax-inclusive tax rate. Sales taxes are typically quoted as tax-exclusive rates. Income tax rates, however, are typically quoted as tax-inclusive rates. For example, a household that earns $130 and pays $30 in taxes would normally think of itself as facing about a 23 percent (30/130) income tax rate.





    Although there is no one true method of reporting the rate, it is crucial to understand which approach is being used, since the tax-inclusive rate will always be lower than the tax-exclusive rate and the difference grows as the rates rise. At a rate of 1 percent the difference is negligible, but a 50 percent tax-exclusive rate corresponds to a 33 percent tax-inclusive rate.





    Both the Schaefer-Tauzin (S-T) and the Americans for Fair Taxation (AFT) plans would attempt to tax all goods or services purchased or used in the United States. Exemptions would be provided for business purchases for resales, purchases to produce taxable property or services, and exports. Expenditure on education would be exempted on the grounds that it is an investment. The sale of newly constructed single-family homes would be taxed, as would improvements to existing single-family houses. Already existing owner-occupied housing would be exempted. All financial intermediation services would be taxed. The tax would exempt expenditures abroad by U.S. residents and half of foreign travel, but tax domestic expenditures by non-residents. Notably, the proposals would tax all federal, state, and local government consumption items, as well as government investment in equipment and structures.

  • Federal Sales Tax is a bad idea.

    Although it seems like a great idea at first glance if you take the time to think about it, it is not as equitable as you think and could destabilize the US economy and places the financial burden on the middle class and poor. Most arguments say that it makes everyone pay their fair share but it doesn't really. They say it will eliminate tax shelters for the rich and businesses but it doesn't. In fact it has the potential to destroy the US economy. Even if necessities are untaxed which isn't guaranteed the rich would just buy in other countries to save 23%. Foreign investors in US companies would look for investments elsewhere where they can save an instant 23%. High dollar luxury purchases suddenly move overseas. Why would anyone want to pay 23% every time they made a stock purchase. Most investors would look to invest overseas or use foreign banks and brokerage firms to avoid paying sales tax. The tourist industry would suffer. My dollar is now worth 23% more if I go to Canada, Mexico or Europe. The only people that wouldn't be able to afford that is the poor or lower middle class. If there was no IRS or income tax than most likely you would have to pay sales tax on housing, food, medication and other things that were tax free. A 15% flat tax would be more fair. With a Flat Tax you could still eliminate the IRS and filing taxes, loop holes, etc. With Fair tax you are just creating easier loop holes and ways to avoid paying taxes. I could go on. This is just me thinking about it for an hour or so. Flat tax not Fair Tax!

  • Poor people have to spend everything they get, so the impact would be more.

    Unless all basic necessities are tax free, any consumption tax will affect those who have less more then the wealthy ones. This will cause the poor to have even less to spend, which will increase their need for additional assistance, or the spiral into abject poverty. Consumption taxes do not bring in more revenue and are a ruse used by the rich to relieve themselves of the burden of providing for those they exploit for profit.

  • Elderly and Disabled VETS

    Elderly living on social security alone and disabled vets would now have their living expenses increased. VA benefits and social security were not taxed with the income tax. This would be devastating. Food stamps would have to be increased. More people may become homeless. Guess maybe an 80 year old woman could get a job so she could pay her "fair share".

  • Crunch the Numbers

    The leak is in spending; fix the leak and then we'll figure out how to decrease taxes. Otherwise, this is just an alternative way to raise money that will be wasted. Many people confuse *lower* taxes with *fair* taxes - which is an oxymoron in the first place: "fair" and "tax" shouldn't even be in the same phrase.
    If you actually do the math, you'll find that this doesn't lower anything; just moves the costs from the rich to the poor. I think those who earn their money should keep it - including the rich. But creating a vast economic gap between the rich and the poor is not exactly the way to avoid a 1780 France. Do we really want to eat cake?
    Think about it. Say, someone makes $30,000/year. Under current (2014) brackets, they'll pay income tax (15%) on $21,074 of it. That's a $3161.10 tax liability. Fair Tax is going to be about 23%. Let's say they spend $1300/month on rent, utilities, and groceries (all supposedly exempt from a nation-wide tax...But since when has our government agreed to permanently exempt anything?), and the remaining $1200/month goes to gas, clothes, non-grocery items, furniture, electronics, entertainment, and dining out. That's $14400/year, which, in a 23% tax comes to a $3312 tax liability.
    And that's if our notoriously waffling government keeps it at 23%.
    Besides hurting those with lower income, we're tempting people to buy internationally, producing a shortage of American jobs - and tempting people not to buy at all, which is good for long-term economy, but fatal short-term. We shouldn't punish for earning money, but should we punish for providing the means for people to earn money - i.E., buying? We're supposedly putting the IRS out of business, which sounds great, except we're transferring the workload from them to the shoulders of the sales tax collectors - businesses. That will be doable for the large retail stores, but small businesses spend hours every month (I know; I used to be a bookkeeper for a small store) filing taxes. Do we really want to make it harder for them to make ends meet?
    The tax system needs serious work. But I think people are so in love with the "Fair Tax" name, they aren't paying attention to the ramifications.

  • Would just increase inequality

    In the past few years, the income of the top 1% has increased 275%, and the flat tax would just worsen this! The rich would have no income tax, and the sales tax would be a mere part of their yearly income. In addition, why should we tax those making $50,000 yearly the same amount as those making $1,000,000 yearly? Furthermore, if we decrease the salary of the poor, a chain reaction will occur, as they will be forced to use more healthcare provided for them.

  • Many people buy things

    Many people buy things in the store, including kids. With sales tax, kids would have to pay more for the things they like. A little kid also doesn't have to pay income tax, seeing how they don't make money. I think that federal income tax is the better way to go.

  • sales tax and federal tax too

    Give the government a chance and they will make it worse. The less they do the slower they over tax us and spend more money that the US does not have. If they CHANGE from an income tax to a sales tax it might work if certain exceptions like those in NY State are used. Food and Medical should not be taxed.

  • Demand drives our economy.

    No matter how gleefully supporters argue that a federal sales tax will encourage people to save, they are merely obfuscating the fact that this saving comes at the expense of spending that creates demand, and it is always demand that creates economic growth. Nothing supply-siders say about giving businesses money to "create jobs" addresses the basic economic fact that it is demand that creates jobs.

    People do not create businesses in order to add jobs to the economy, they crate businesses to make money, and the only way they can make money in a capitalist system is by meeting demand. No demand, no business. No demand, no new jobs.

    Therefore any, and all, arguments supporting supply-side stimulus are merely ideological, and are not accurate.


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