"Your argument doesn't matter" is a completely valid rebuttal.

Posted by: Mister_Man

I'm having a fantastic conversation with another user on this site, and (almost) every time I bring up a counter-argument, my own points, or any argument really, he responds with "that doesn't matter" and struts around like he's shown me up. I'm wondering what other people think of this. Feel free to add whatever answer you want, I want some input if people are willing to give it.

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This is not a valid rebuttal

Responding to multiple arguments backed up with sources with "yeah well that doesn't matter" is ridiculous and won't accomplish a single thing other than the appearance of trolling.
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This is a valid rebuttal

Who cares what you presented, it doesn't matter. Therefore I won. GG
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TBR says2015-08-01T02:55:40.3645187Z
Well, that would depend on the content of your points, If we are talking... I don't know, science and you keep talking about art, well them, sure that is valid. Link?
Mister_Man says2015-08-01T03:06:46.6305021Z
I don't want to get too into it in order to maintain his privacy, but in a nutshell.... I say consciousness is a reasonable line to draw when it comes to abortion because before a conscience is present, the embryo cannot feel pain, or anything at all, it does not feel scared, or any emotion at all, it is unaware of it's own existence and will not know it is being affected in any way at all. And he responds with "You haven't proved that consciousness matters, consciousness doesn't matter and your argument doesn't matter because consciousness doesn't matter to begin with." So I'm left scratching my head, lol.
Mister_Man says2015-08-01T03:09:06.4248013Z
Word-for-word, he said: "My argument is that it doesn't matter if an unborn human being has a conscious or not." I have explained several times throughout the discussion why consciousness is a reasonable line to draw, which include the examples I gave you (except obviously expanded), and he basically responds with "you haven't proved why consciousness matters."
Varrack says2015-08-01T03:10:49.7411480Z
It depends. Is he saying that your argument is irrelevant to the topic or is a red herring?
Mister_Man says2015-08-01T03:13:41.6925735Z
It's kind of hard to say, really. He's obviously pro-life, so I think what he's trying to do is say there's no line to draw (including consciousness) because abortion is objectively wrong to begin with, so he's resorting to saying my argument doesn't matter. I also don't think he'd be able to understand the concept of a red herring, to be honest.
Ferare says2015-08-01T09:43:20.3753063Z
I would say it's up to your debate partner to show why your argument doesn't matter. If we are debating architecture and I say cucumbers are greener than bananas, that is a completely valid statement but in the context of what we are talking about it simply does not matter. So I will vote yes, but with the condition that it's up to whoever you are debating to show why it doesn't matter.
TBR says2015-08-01T14:47:41.7535481Z
Not just because the content, but reading that it sounds like he is making a valid argument. However, your statement " because abortion is objectively wrong to begin with," needs to be defended. That is a statement of fact without support.
Mister_Man says2015-08-05T02:28:48.6686762Z
He's the one saying abortion is objectively wrong. He hasn't even elaborated on much of anything he's said. He says abortion is wrong 100%. I say it's not wrong because the fetus hasn't developed a consciousness etc. He says consciousness doesn't matter. And that is pretty much it. I think if he says something doesn't matter, he kind of has to explain a bit more instead of just flat out saying "doesn't matter" and leaving it at that, right?

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