3 plane disasters this week. Conspiracy?

Posted by: ChosenWolff

Another plane dissipated. MH370, I think there's a connection

  • Someone is orchestrating these disasters

  • It's all hype and misinformation, there is a perfectly good example for all these disasters,

35% 7 votes
65% 13 votes
  • I meant "reason" for the other answer

  • Of course there's a deeper reason behind all these planes being shot down or disappearing. It could easily be related to an equipment problem... but you never know.

  • No, MH370 disappeared ages ago.

  • Still not a conspiracy they are all over the place

  • There were (at least) 137 plane crashes in 2013, of course no one cried conspiracy because it wasn't on their news feed. People started noticing planes crashing because of Malaysia Flight 370, and the media began reporting more about the accidents because it increases ratings. Ratings go up People tune in People think there's a pattern They talk about it more Media reports more on accidents because everyone's talking about it The overly paranoid and creative thinkers among us create fantastic, nonsensical, and usually impossible theories. Rinse and repeat.

  • This year's rate of crashes isn’t unusually high -- there were 138 plane crashes in 2013, and 155 in 2012, according to data from Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives, a Swiss organization that tracks such data.

  • Provide me with proof that they were orchestrated, as those that believe so have the burden of proof, and I might change my mind.

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reece says2014-07-24T05:51:42.8242018-05:00
Where they all Malaysian?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:55:55.8341142-05:00
One was Malaysian. One was Algerian. The other was a international Asian based airliner. They're picking off certain planes so people wont correlate the disappearances.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:56:48.3891666-05:00
We lifted our flight ban over Israel as well. Bye Bye 4th plane.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:00:31.0251818-05:00
Zylorarchy, I wasn't talking about MH370. I was referring to the missing Algerian plane.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T08:05:01.2695082-05:00
Preston, Algeria, Taiwan, and Ukraine. That's three this week.
Preston says2014-07-24T08:06:23.7728450-05:00
Huh, hadn't hear of Algeria's plane...
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T08:07:18.0618890-05:00
It has been missing for half a day now
Preston says2014-07-24T08:07:52.3503214-05:00
Yea, I go radio silent after 4PM Central Time
Preston says2014-07-24T08:08:25.7802642-05:00
Wolff im so sad I only have 2 weeks left of being an active member....
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T08:09:35.7345365-05:00
Preston says2014-07-24T08:12:03.4102838-05:00
Right now im the intern of trading at an investment firm, but I go back to school second week of august
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T08:12:46.9019686-05:00
I'm sure you'll make time every once in a while.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:11:06.6407141-05:00
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:14:39.7939638-05:00
Personal insults from Preston aside, To what end is this conspiracy working toward?
Preston says2014-07-24T09:17:10.5957131-05:00
Personal insult? This is why I wont miss you, please leave me alone
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:18:04.8039070-05:00
Immortal If I had to guess, some notion that "important people" were on-board that needed to be rid of by our overlords. Of course the only way to kill a guy is to sabotage a plane on foreign soil killing him and hundreds of others. Because when you're gonna kill a guy, you do it in the flashiest way possible to avoid detection and questions. There's little rhyme or reason to most of these types of theories aside from the general "the government is all powerful (except on youtube) and completely evil"
Preston says2014-07-24T09:18:49.6108172-05:00
If you wanted me to miss you, you wouldn't follow me around trying to pick fights
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:22:46.1270934-05:00
Not following you, just happened to see your rude and personal attack as I was reading this interesting question. Get over yourself. Back to the question, which was directed at the actual person who made this question, not you, Preston. To what end, Chosen?
Preston says2014-07-24T09:25:22.7112492-05:00
Its not a personal attack to say you wont miss someone, and I do think this is ridiculous to suggest, if all the planes were from the same company and in the same area, they they would be connected.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:28:30.7242772-05:00
Shots have been fired.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:29:18.7592425-05:00
Ya I know right, I commented on missing everyone except the guy who has continually harassed me, and then he harasses me about it.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:31:56.9979985-05:00
I just reported you for it. If you don't think personally singling out another user is a personal attack, then stop complaining and let the mods sort it out.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:31:59.7348116-05:00
"There were (at least) 137 plane crashes in 2013" This is a fabrication of the truth. There were only 12
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:32:39.6475567-05:00
Cite a source for that claim, Chosen. Because that's horse malarkey.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:32:51.4030052-05:00
There were only 12 plane crashes in 2013 There were (at least) 137 plane crashes in 2013
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:33:02.6031001-05:00
There were (at least) 137 plane crashes in 2013
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:33:18.1460785-05:00
Preston says2014-07-24T09:33:36.9870818-05:00
Its still not an attack, if I insulted you in it I would understand but youre showing everyone why im not going to miss you when I go back to school
Preston says2014-07-24T09:34:21.4983109-05:00
Chosen I don't understand what your saying
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:34:37.3965451-05:00
Both TMIL and Immortal are claiming an outrageous number of accidents. I can affirm they're wrong. I'm talking solely of commercial aircraft
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:35:00.7524397-05:00
Remember children. Inhale the good s**t, exhale the bullsh**t.
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:35:02.0555177-05:00
The Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives keeps track of crashes every year. You can narrow down to specifics, but by year, I chose 2013. I can name the individual wrecks if you like, but this isn't about proof, it's about what you want to believe. Http://www.Baaa-acro.Com/advanced-search-result/?Type=crash&display=entry&year_post=2013&continent=0&country=0&pavillon=0&aircraft=0&operator=0&cause=0&et_searchform_submit=et_search_proccess
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:35:07.2504176-05:00
http://www.baaa-acro.com/general-statistics/crashs-rate-per-year/ Not according to an actual data center.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:35:17.3683567-05:00
@Immortal, are you certain you're talking about commercial aircraft?
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:35:51.1150501-05:00
Here's a full list of the crashes, plus the casualty numbers. Http://www.Baaa-acro.Com/advanced-search-result/?Year_post=2013
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:36:14.0821028-05:00
I'm talking about aircraft in general, I believe.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:37:11.2146913-05:00
We're not on the same page then. Of course many carriers and helicopters down in war zones. I'm talking about full service planes. It isn't even feasible that 566 commercial flights all downed.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:37:54.4784827-05:00
I'm certainly not talking about war crashes. I don't believe they are among the statistics counted.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:37:54.8444405-05:00
Never in history have their been three commercial flight disasters in a week.
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:38:02.6445905-05:00
We are both talking about aircraft in general, Chosen, why wouldn't a 12 man flight be as important as a 100 man flight if it's a plane crash? You mention nothing of "commercial airline disasters with 100+ casualties" only plane disasters. On that rate there's roughly a little more than 2 crashes per week last year.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:38:03.5806085-05:00
Chosen is right, commercial flights aren't common
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:38:36.8404481-05:00
I'm certainly not talking about war crashes. I don't believe they are among the statistics counted. Actually no, none of the crashes in my source appear to be from warzones.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:38:56.4344249-05:00
The real concern with these flights is how they're vanishing or being destroyed. Not the frequency. Flight 207 had suspicious people on board, and the Malaysian flight was straight shot down.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:39:01.2225925-05:00
A 12 man flight is significantly less impactful in comparison to a 200-300 person flight
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:39:30.9569549-05:00
@TMIL - Helicopters and carriers downed in war are a different matter. It is extremely rare that a commercial flight is downed. 3 in one week? Unbelievable.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:40:29.6462174-05:00
There have only been two commercial flight disasters this week.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:40:34.2633781-05:00
AH5017 disappeared off the map as well. We believe it hit somewhere in Niger, but France can't find it. They're in both nations.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:40:46.9933045-05:00
Chosen if this wasn't a poll about conspiracies I would side with you.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:41:42.3280151-05:00
@Immortal. No, one plane crashed in Ukraine, the other in Taiwan, and the third disappeared.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:42:03.9188769-05:00
We just learned of AH5017 this morning
Preston says2014-07-24T09:42:20.0184897-05:00
Ya chosen this morning they confirmed it crashed
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:42:55.1502155-05:00
It still hasn't been found. They can't confirm anything that hasn't been found.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:42:59.7215077-05:00
AH5017 that's 1 Malaysian in Ukraine is 2. What was the third flight disaster this week? And I wasn't aware the Malaysian flight was shot down this week.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:43:51.8573060-05:00
@immortal chosen already said "Preston, Algeria, Taiwan, and Ukraine. That's three this week"
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:44:00.1566656-05:00
That's still not 3 planes though. Just 2. And one of which was shot down last week, not this week.
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:44:49.8745733-05:00
"Flight 207 had suspicious people on board, and the Malaysian flight was straight shot down." If you start looking into every person on lots of planes you can come up with potentially suspicious people. We simply don't until they crash. Your second flight was flying over a warzone, unfortunately. As tragic as it is, there's a reason that lots of airlines wouldn't take that same flightpath. Statistically, aside from the shot down plane, almost half of all crashes are pilot error. "A 12 man flight is significantly less impactful in comparison to a 200-300 person flight" That depends on your claim. If you're suggesting people are being killed off, it's arguably more important. If you're suggesting pilots are becoming sloppier, it's a very good argument in your favor. "It is extremely rare that a commercial flight is downed. 3 in one week? Unbelievable." Very believable, it's happened. What's unbelievable is people making unsubstantiated claims based on a rush of information given out by the eager media for their viewership to increase. But let's put this on an aside for a moment. What are you claiming is happening instead?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:45:37.5337382-05:00
@Immortal - Algeria, Ukraine, Taiwan. That's three planes. @Preston - It was revealed an hour a go (by officials) that the crash has been confirmed. They haven't revealed any details yet.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:46:08.3113733-05:00
Gotcha, didn't see about the Taiwan post.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:46:10.1677733-05:00
@Chosen, ya I saw that, sad isn't it...
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:46:44.8646330-05:00
47 people died in the Transasia crash. We don't know why it fell.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:48:02.3161733-05:00
Weather brought down the Taiwanese flight. Http://www.Weather.Com/news/taiwan-plane-crashes-emergency-landing-20140723 The crash came hours after Typhoon Matmo passed over Taiwan. About 200 airline flights at Taiwanese airports had been canceled earlier in the day due to rain and high winds. Taiwan's Central Weather Bureau had warned of heavy rains Wednesday evening even after Matmo moved west into China. It still seems like you're reaching really hard for something to create a conspiracy around. I ask again. To what end?
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:49:37.0388585-05:00
I'm curious too, what's the claim here. Are airlines like the mafia where they keep sabotaging each other with subterfuge and crazy pilots?
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:50:39.6408559-05:00
No this isn't like Mafia. Yama doesn't keep dying in the first round.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:51:23.1115838-05:00
Haha that would be a good book, Flight 47 sabotaged by Southwest Airlines
Preston says2014-07-24T09:52:04.9047875-05:00
@Yama maybe your mafia then!
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:52:25.7935892-05:00
Pilots in uniform assaulting each other on the streets for wearing the wrong colors
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:52:37.9150223-05:00
@Immortal, I'll let you in on a secret now. I was instigating conspiracists out. I'm a hardcore skeptic.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:52:39.4161203-05:00
VTL Yama
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:52:56.3233763-05:00
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:53:57.6169550-05:00
But I'm not wearing women's underwear...
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:54:56.0400785-05:00
Long live acronyms!
Preston says2014-07-24T09:55:26.8506710-05:00
Haha, gotta wear your gang colors as a pilot so they know not to blow u up
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:56:30.8431016-05:00
Can we agree on one thing? You don't accidentally hit a commercial aircraft with a BAK missile. It was intentionally aim'd at the plane.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T09:57:23.4403548-05:00
Unless they were aiming for the moon, sure.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T09:57:28.8222513-05:00
Well that much is certain.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T09:58:49.1139072-05:00
Russia has created a mess. And if you looked at recent war maps, one they're losing. I say shut them down entirely.
TrustmeImlying says2014-07-24T09:59:21.1868904-05:00
The one shot down... I figure one of two things happened. Someone legitimately thought (or didn't think at all) that it was a cargo plane. (Because who else flies over a warzone) Then arrived on scene and took the evidence to prevent fallout. OR, a group intentionally shot the plane, knowing or not caring it was full of innocent people, to garner attention or to win support for their side and use the victims as a manipulation tool for other countries to get involved.
Preston says2014-07-24T09:59:27.7075650-05:00
They're a developing country, a really aggressive one at that.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T10:00:53.6301551-05:00
The radio chatter I have heard indicates the separatists believed it was a cargo plane.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:01:34.7047227-05:00
We do know that Russian troops were pushed back before the missile was shot. But why with a Russian missile. I don't understand how shooting that plane down helped the rebels.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:02:06.4657119-05:00
The moral of this story is gun control.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T10:02:20.4118437-05:00
'Could be a false flag against Russia.
Preston says2014-07-24T10:03:19.4567082-05:00
If Obama had just banned guns there would be no tragedy's like this
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:03:38.3635446-05:00
An unneeded and unstrategic one.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T10:03:48.7685445-05:00
It would be helpful to the rebels to do attrition damage to the Ukrainian armed forces by shooting down a cargo plane. If I were a rebel on the ground in Crimea, I wouldn't even consider it possible that commercial passenger airlines were in the skies above my blasted hellscape of a nation.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:05:35.2832961-05:00
True. Russia is still denying its charges. We captured 25 agents, recovered 1000's of Russian weapon crates, and have video, audio, and written evidence they're in the nation. Yet, they still blame it on Black Water.
The_Immortal_Emris says2014-07-24T10:05:38.6840307-05:00
Yama offers a valid point. But I feel the potential for that to backfire is too great of a risk for our intelligence community to make that call. Our sanctions against Russia have been too successful for us to risk losing everything by running a false flag which does little more than hurt their already abysmal international prestige.
Preston says2014-07-24T10:07:25.7904965-05:00
I can say with confidence that if on June 28 combat activities in eastern Ukraine had not been resumed, this tragedy most likely would not have happened," he said. "At the same time, no one has a right to use this tragedy to achieve their narrowly selfish political ends."
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-24T10:07:33.6062468-05:00
Russia is the troll doll of the world, at the moment.
Preston says2014-07-24T10:07:37.8189396-05:00
It started with a "
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:07:53.7618344-05:00
If we cared about Ukraine enough to blow up a commercial airliner, we would of sent more than 5 million to GUAM.
Preston says2014-07-24T10:08:01.6708809-05:00
Ho that's putin fyi
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:09:06.6592311-05:00
Russians are the trolls of foreign policy. They're worst than the Bush administration.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:09:55.5954900-05:00
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T10:10:08.4392243-05:00
Preston says2014-07-24T10:16:33.3298259-05:00
Putin on the Ritz
Preston says2014-07-24T10:34:06.5372795-05:00
Have you seen the well-to-do, up and down Park Avenue On that famous thoroughfare, with their noses in the air High hats and Arrowed collars, white spats and lots of dollars Spending every dime, for a wonderful time If you're blue and you don't know where to go to Why don't you go where fashion sits, Putin on the ritz. Different types who wear a daycoat, pants with stripes And cut away coat, perfect fits, Putin on the ritz. Dressed up like a million dollar trouper Trying hard to look like Gary Cooper (super duper) Come let's mix where Rockefellers walk with sticks Or umbrellas in their mitts Putin on the Ritz Tips his hat just like an english chappie To a lady with a wealthy pappy (very snappy) You'll declare it's simply topping to be there And hear them swapping smart titbits Putin on the ritz!
Preston says2014-07-24T11:05:22.5513560-05:00
@immortal, do you happen to know a man named arron, hes a teacher, and a debate coach?

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