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@Utherpenguin Your right, but the thing is it isn't a child. It is a fetus.
@tajshar2k Nonetheless the fetus is still living, an abortion would deny that fetus the chance to live.
The fetus doesn't have the same right as a human. Also, if the family is in economic trouble, would it be better to give birth and let the child struggle, or abort it when it cannot feel pain?
@tajshar2k Adoption would be a more ethical option. Whether or not the fetus has the same rights of a person is debatable. It is still living.
@Utherpenguin Adoption is not always the case. Kids do not always get adopted. In the U.S. 397,122 children are living without permanent families in the foster care system. 101,666 of these children are eligible for adoption, but nearly 32% of these children will wait over three years in foster care before being adopted. Also, the SCOTUS ruled it does not have the same rights.
Some might say it is un-ethical, but that shouldn't be up to the government to decide. I would discourage abortion, but I cannot force it on people.
@tajshar2k Firstly, having the foster child wait three years for adoption is at least better then killing said child before birth. In the UN declaration of human rights at Article Three it states that everyone has the right to live. Secondly, the US Supreme Court's ruling does not apply universally and apply specifically to the US. The fetus may not be a fully developed child but it still has the right to live, and every healthy fetus eventually develops into a child. Aborting a fetus is similar to smashing a bird egg, the fetus of the bird may not be a bird, but you are still killing a bird.
@tajshar2k The reason it became a legal issue in the first place is that a life is at stake when an abortion is done.
In the UN declaration of human rights at Article Three it states that everyone has the right to live. Secondly, the US Supreme Court's ruling does not apply universally and apply specifically to the US" Every *human* Like I said before, a fetus is not a human, because it is still dependent on the mother to live"
@tajshar2k Using that logic then, an infant is not a human. Since the infant is dependent on the mother. In fact, anyone under the age of 18 is legally regarded as "dependent".
Uther. Before fetal viability a fetus literally can't survive without the mother's body. That's what is meant by "a fetus can't survive independent of it's mother."
Exactly, on top of that, something the mothers body is in danger.
Also I don't believe there's a supreme document which states that " a child's right to live outweighs the Mother's right to her body."
@Midnight1121 I never said "Child's right to live outweighs the Mother's right to her body" was in the Supreme Court document.
@tajshar2k Childbirth is always dangerous, but it is necessary.
@UtherPenguin I do not think it is your right to decide for other people. Nobody is obliged to give birth.
@tajshar2k Neither is anybody obliged to give an abortion. The reason it is a legal issue is because it involves the taking of a life. The only situation I would support an abortion would be if the mother's life is in legitimate danger.
"Neither is anybody obliged to give an abortion" It the hospital's duty.
@tajshar2k Okay you got me there. But my position is as it is, and most of my arguments are yet to be refuted
Which arguments are left to be refuted? "A child's right to live outweighs a mother's right to her body?" You already said that's not written in any supreme document, it's just your opinion.
@Midnight1131 The arguments I made previously in the comments.
If you're talking about the "fetus is a future child" thing. Then that all ties back to fetal viability, which ties back to your original statement that "a child's right to live outweighs the Mother's right to her body."
Abortion is perfectly good. If you want to call it murder, better you go back to school and educate yourself on what murder is. The foetus is not being robbed of its life. It has no life. In the womb where is formed, it is nothing more than a bunch of congregated cells in the process of becoming a living thing. As the organs have not developed, nor the brain, this creature has no knowledge or appreciate of what is happening to it. To assume a foetus is a child is akin to thinking that masturbation is genocide. People against abortion are not entirely sure what they're talking about.
I think it's better that you go back to school, where you can learn about just how many grammatical and spelling errors you just made.
And yes we are. I consider it murder, because the fetus would become a life in the not so distant future if we didn't lose it's potential for life. It was almost guaranteed to become a life, so if it does not live while it should, is that not murder? You are here today because you were not aborted. If you had been, then your life would not be. That life is murdered before it can even take shape. Does that not seem as cruel or even crueler than traditional murder, ending a life before it can even start?
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The clump of cells has no idea it exists to begin with. Better terminate it before it knows or feels anything than to allow it to live and be born into an unwanting, uncaring, horrible environment.
The only person who should be deciding if the fetus should be aborted is the person that is pregnant. It's not even a sentient being when it's aborted therefore it is not taking a life, it's basically just a parasite at that stage. There are many circumstances that a child should not be born and brought into this world. If you don't have a uterus it's not your choice to make. Childbirth can be dangerous. Certain environments are dangerous.
But ban late term abortion and no public funds for abortion.
The fetus has a far less developed brain than the organisms which we have no problem experimenting on or hunting.
Not alive yet and it's a women's body let her decide what to do with it.
Child's right to live outweighs the Mother's right to her body.
The fetus would become a life. It's basically theft of a life to abort, don't remove the fetus's future as a human being.
Abortion is murder. End of story.
Why is it illegal to destroy or harm eagle eggs, but perfectly "normal" to destroy our own species? Why do we even need abortion? Sure, if someone gets raped. But just having one because you can't control yourself? If you are mature enough to make the decision to have sexual intercourse, you must live with the consequences. People nowadays are just trying to get out of them.