After generations of interracial mixing, in future will there be only one Human Race?

Posted by: Zambos

Will it happen?Please Explain How or How not. I hope not I like the racial diversity. Also pleas me answers like we are all one race you guys know what I mean

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briantheliberal says2015-04-17T13:25:31.4542101-05:00
There already is ONE human race, always have been.
GDBH says2015-04-17T13:40:31.8491060-05:00
@Brian, I think he means ethnicity (as in black, white, asian, etc)
Zambos says2015-04-17T14:02:58.8902569-05:00
TheMarquis says2015-04-17T14:15:00.6211677-05:00
Erm, maybe?
heil43 says2015-04-17T14:22:54.0818270-05:00
Brian that's like saying there's one breed of dogs
Harper says2015-04-17T14:23:29.1656828-05:00
The only reason why there are different races is because of divergent evolution caused by geographical separation. Racial mixing does not necessarily put a stop to divergent evolution, unless all individuals in the human population practice it and continue to do so.
heil43 says2015-04-17T14:29:03.6388505-05:00
That's right the evolutionary forces that create the different races are the same forces that cause speciation
Episteme says2015-04-17T14:34:52.7133374-05:00
Harper - Human beings don't really apply when it comes to "divergent evolution". Divergent evolution creates new species. Someone who considers themselves of an Asian or European ethnicity is not a different species to someone who considers themselves of an American ethnicity!
Episteme says2015-04-17T14:38:08.6965688-05:00
I have said this on numerous polls already... "Races" are social constructs. They aren't biological constructs. To define oneself to a certain race or ethnicity is either an individual choice or a construct created by other groups in an attempt to differentiate people. Since it is very subjective - it is actually quite arbitrary.
heil43 says2015-04-17T14:42:07.9673055-05:00
Then episteme you don't think there are different breeds of dogs?
Harper says2015-04-17T14:59:40.5377016-05:00
@Episteme: I understand that the races are not different species, but like heil43 mentioned, the same processes that cause speciation are the ones that cause the different races. The only difference is the amount of time in which those processes have been affecting the species. The human race began to diverge quite recently and because of globalization have pretty much slowed the process down; so the effect isn't different species, but different races or "brands" of human. And to address your second statement on race being a social construct: if it is a social construct, then you would not expect any average biological differences between the races, but medical and forensic scientists see them all the time. There is an average difference in blood pressure, heart rate, skeletal structure, muscular and cognitive capabilities, etc. If there wasn't, then doctors wouldn't have to give different treatments to blacks given their biology, forensic scientists would not be able to differentiate an Asian skeleton from a white one, and there would be an equal chance of people from different races to win a race. In fact, studies have shown that people who identify as one race or another tend to fall within a genetic cluster, these "genetic clusters" are what we would call races. Of course, there isn't a clear cut border between the races, but these races do exist (think of it as colors on a rainbow, they bleed into each other, but that doesn't mean that the rainbow is all one color).
briantheliberal says2015-04-17T16:53:40.5719440-05:00
Heil, what a stupid comparison, we aren't dogs. Humans don't come in different breeds.
briantheliberal says2015-04-17T16:57:03.2376857-05:00
GDBH, those aren't ethnicities. German is an ethnicity, Iberian Spanish, Ethiopian, Han Chinese, Korean etc... The terms black, white, Asian and the like are all flawed ways of grouping people who have nothing in common with one another and putting them into a box based on geographical location.
Zambos says2015-04-17T18:28:19.8818065-05:00
All im gonna say Who would want to get rid of all the races of humans i think if everyone become the same race (although i know many have small amounts of other races in them) it would be a very sad day!!
Episteme says2015-04-17T18:57:32.2001496-05:00
What I said was that races (within humans) are not biological constructs and that the term ‘race’ is arbitrary. It’s arbitrary because we as a human species aren't that genetically diverse. Though there are minuscule differences in humans that might hint to ‘races’ based on ancestral inheritances (such as skin pigmentation or complexion) it is a false means of measurement. Skin pigmentation is actually a very small change within our DNA. It isn’t significant enough to determine medical advice or a person’s intelligence. There is no such thing as a set of genes that belongs exclusively to one group of people and not to another. To address what heil43 said - breeds of dogs are not genetically or biologically defined either. They are based upon groupings developed by hobbyists or breed clubs. This is also a social classification not necessarily a genetic or biological one. Http://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/Dog_breed#Description However, the term ‘race’ is used in a zoological with other animals, such as chimpanzees which have a number of races. Actually chimpanzees, gorillas and fruit flies are more genetically diverse than we are. They have races - but we as humans do not. Http://www.Science20.Com/adaptive_complexity/what_our_genes_tell_us_about_race “One natural definition of race is a group whose members are genetically much more similar to each other than they are to other groups. Putting a number on what counts as "much more" is a somewhat arbitrary exercise, but Templeton found that the genetic differentiation between populations of chimpanzees is over seven times greater than the genetic differentiation between broad geographical populations of humans. Furthermore, the level of genetic differentiation between human populations falls well below the threshold that biologists typically use to define races in non-human species.” http://www.Psmag.Com/nature-and-technology/why-your-race-isnt-genetic-82475 Although there are minuscule differences between supposed ancestral lines - these aren’t even accurate in developing any kind of medical advice. What medical advice to give, should not be based on a person’s supposed race, but on their individual lifestyle and situation. “[Genetic] variation tends to be shared widely among populations, so race will often be an inaccurate predictor of response to drugs or other medical treatments. It would be far preferable to test directly the responsible alleles [genetic variants] in affected individuals.” “Researchers have not identified a single genetic variant with an impact on intelligence that falls along population lines. In fact several studies have recently tested variants in genes that appear to be involved in controlling brain size. No correlation with intelligence was found. “ http://www.Science20.Com/adaptive_complexity/what_our_genes_tell_us_about_race “Modern human biological variation is not structured into phylogenetic subspecies ('races'), nor are the taxa of the standard anthropological 'racial' classifications breeding populations. The 'racial taxa' do not meet the phylogenetic criteria. 'Race' denotes socially constructed units as a function of the incorrect usage of the term.” http://www.Nature.Com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/box/ng1455_BX1.Html Roberts, Dorothy (2011). Fatal Invention. London, New York: The New Press. “ “The genetic differences that exist among populations are characterized by gradual changes across geographic regions, not sharp, categorical distinctions. Groups of people across the globe have varying frequencies of polymorphic genes, which are genes with any of several differing nucleotide sequences. There is no such thing as a set of genes that belongs exclusively to one group and not to another. The clinal, gradually changing nature of geographic genetic difference is complicated further by the migration and mixing that human groups have engaged in since prehistory. Human beings do not fit the zoological definition of race. A mountain of evidence assembled by historians, anthropologists, and biologists proves that race is not and cannot be a natural division of human beings.” http://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/Race_(human_classification) “Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible. It is also socially irresponsible as these pictorial representations of human evolution have more impact on the general public than nuanced phrases in the text of a scientific paper. Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.” http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/pubmed/23684745 Racial and ethnic choices - however - are not arbitrary. They matter to the person choosing their ethnicity, but on a medical, genetic or biological level, we are more similar than we are different.
Harper says2015-04-17T19:56:55.5657423-05:00
@Episteme: [1.] General Argument: There does not have to be vast genetic differences to legitimize racial categories-- because the differences (however small in comparison to the overall similarities between all humans) are significant. They are significant enough to warrant medical and forensic attention and are significant enough to cause socio-economic disparities. Take this for example: IQ is estimated to be around 60-80% heritable (effects of environment on IQ tends to decrease with age) (http://www.Nature.Com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.Html). The average IQ of whites tends to be around 100 and the average IQ of blacks is around 85. IQ is generally correlated with (but not always a determinant of) success in school and life (http://psychology.About.Com/od/intelligence/a/does-high-iq-equal-success.Htm). Therefore, a 15 point (entire standard deviation) difference will significantly affect the economic and educational outcomes of the average black versus the average white. So yes, our differences are not so great when compared to our similarities, but those differences do significantly affect life outcomes. [2] Medical Science: There are many reasons to accept and use race as a biological concept. For example there are differences in average blood pressure depending on your race/ethnicity: (http://circ.Ahajournals.Org/content/114/25/2757.Full). There are further differences in responses to various medical treatments: (http://www.The-scientist.Com/?Articles.View/articleNo/38950/title/On-Race-and-Medicine/), (http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/pmc/articles/PMC2594139/). As the scientific journal Nature has published, race is not a biologically insignificant concept (http://www.Nature.Com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.Html). [3] Sharp Distinctions: To illustrate the concept for you, I'll reiterate my rainbow analogy. Just because the colors on the rainbow bleed into each other, does not mean that the entire rainbow is all but one color. There is no defined point at which yellow becomes orange, but the two are separate colors nonetheless. It is the same with race. Of course it is not an absolute, clear cut concept (I have already acknowledged that), but it is still significant as a predictor of certain traits. [4] Evolutionary Tree: In what way is expressing human populations in a diagram that accurately represents the way all things evolve and differentiate over time wrong? We all stemmed from one human population, then after thousands of years of geographical separation evolved traits that were adapted to our unique environments. It makes no sense otherwise. [5] Exclusive Genes: Nobody is saying that there are some genes exclusive to one population and not to another, but that there are differences in the allele frequencies in those populations, that then translate to overall average differences. For example, sickle-cell anemia is more common in blacks than in whites, but no one is saying that a phenotypically white person can not have the disease, but that there is an average difference in the rates of sickle-cell anemia. This alone is significant enough to warrant medical attention. [6] Inherent Biases: I think it is important to address political bias in such hot-button issues as these, especially given the fact that the vast majority of your argument relies on quoting scientists comforting and reassuring people that race does not exist rather than presenting actual evidence to anything. To further my point, try this thought experiment: imagine that a scientist did find 1. An undeniable basis for the existence of races and 2. Differences between the races. What do you think will happen to him? Would the scientific community proudly display the information, or break under political pressure and suppress/ridicule the findings? In fact, it doesn't even have to be a topic of imagination, because there are real world examples to see for yourself. Richard Lynn and Philippe Rushton are probably the two most famous "race realist" scientists and both have been heavily mocked and ridiculed for even daring to find any differences between the races. It is an emotional issue, not a scientific one, because if it was accepted that there were differences, it would cause riot and social unrest. In fact, after one Harvard student attempted such a study, he was told that even if there were differences, such a study should never be done.
58539672 says2015-04-17T22:37:14.9370730-05:00
Take it to the debate section, people. Those posts are way to long.
CyberConor says2015-04-18T11:13:59.4674423-05:00
I'm multiracial, and I think ethnicity is a beautiful thing. We should treat different ethnicities in our private lives differently. When I travel, you can't treat everyone like they are American, (which I love).
BatmanoftheJLA says2019-12-20T23:36:09.4334712Z
Ethnicity is not race and we already are of one race, The human race. It was leftists who created the idea of separate human races to allow racism, Stereotypes, Discrimination etc to occur. Leftists have lied to us through media for years and their power of deception is slowly failing because every one of us is realizing that no matter what, We are all born equals.

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