• True

  • False

10% 3 votes
90% 27 votes
  • Many innovations and inventions have came from the US.

  • We don't always operate under a secular government unfortunately, but we are supposed to. That is not to say that we should be run by exclusive atheists and have atheism enforced on our people, but our government is supposed to be run with no favor to no religion(s) and having no religious values influencing our political decisions. In addition, not all Americans are Islamaphobic, some may have a subconscious weariness of them because of 9/11, but name a country in the world and I'll name a country made of a majority of people who are at least subconsciously prejudice towards a specific group of people

  • In my opinion, the freest and greatest country in the world.

  • If you don't like it you can gert out.

  • The nation isn't great, I'd hardly be pleased to have to move there, but it's not exactly evil. Not great, but not evil.

  • Why evil? Perhaps in the eyes of some other nations, but probably not most.

  • people in america may be evil but america itself, no.

  • The thing you should ask { are humans evil}

  • Nope. Just really really socially awkward

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triangle.128k says2015-07-19T20:26:08.2272964-05:00
@Texas14 USA isn't really the freest country in the world.
CannedBread says2015-07-19T20:45:21.1888607-05:00
@triangle.128k, you know who else said that? Hitler, Stalin, and the devil.
triangle.128k says2015-07-19T20:49:34.8339409-05:00
But where's statistics showing why USA is the freest?
triangle.128k says2015-07-19T20:50:18.2954673-05:00
You can classify the US as a free countries, but the US isn't really on the top of the charts.
triangle.128k says2015-07-19T20:51:26.8414279-05:00
The USA needs to solve some issues in order to be more free than it currently is. Like the drug war lead to US having the highest imprisonment rates as one example.
stargate says2015-07-19T21:08:02.4828216-05:00
I think the drug war needed to happen. But man it is overcrowding our jails.
triangle.128k says2015-07-19T21:20:19.4599604-05:00
The drug war didn't need to happen, it was a failure. We should rehab drug addicts instead of jailing them. Also, the Netherlands has very light drug laws, yet they have much less of a problem with drug usage rates. It's also none of our business if one chooses to use more mild drugs.
mwedwards says2015-07-19T21:45:06.6838742-05:00
Triangle: Cold turkey is a pretty effective method. Also, laws preventing the use of drugs probably, in some way, is a deterent for use, so then we wouldn't have to rehabilitate so many people. Also, if a country has fewer laws restricting the use of drugs, then yes they will have less of a problem then us because they do not consider it to be a problem. They will almost always report a lower number of cases. However you are correct in the whole choice department. Compared to other countries in the area of drugs we do have more laws trying to prevent the use. People still can do drugs, but not without potential negative consequences from law enforcement.
triangle.128k says2015-07-19T21:50:32.1355364-05:00
Strict drug laws haven't worked at all if you didn't notice. Many addicts fear seeking out help due to strict drug laws, quitting isn't as easy as you think. They need rehab and extra support. Also, it's less of a problem in countries with lighter drug laws because they usually have lower drug usage rates. The Netherlands has lower drug usage rates than the US. Netherlands has twice as low teen Marijuana usage rates for example. And second, using milder drugs like Marijuana shouldn't be a concern of the government. Most people drink alcohol at least once, which is more harmful than Marijuana.
mwedwards says2015-07-19T23:03:49.8786196-05:00
Ok, rehab is by no means a great solution. First of all it can be expensive. (that is a deterrent) Second of all you have to find a way to force the drug addicts to go these facilities and actually, you know, follow along with everything they do. If they don't go, they can't be rehabilitated. Thirdly, you have to watch them a LOT. You have to make sure they don't go back to their ways. Fourthly, well, have you ever heard of the stories where people just go in and out of rehab? How many cases do you hear about rehabilitation actually working? Not a whole lot probably. And I do think to some degree the drug laws have worked. They are a great deterrent for use and we don't have as bad of a drug problem as the past. On to the U.S. vs. The Netherlands. The problem here is that if you do not search for those who do drugs, you won't find them. Therefore you will always report fewer cases because they do not search for them. You cannot compare these two. Even if you could though, the site you use has a major flaw. (I think this is your site: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Netherlands_v_US#sthash.pLyW03kg.dpbs ) It does not compare the correct age groups. Here is an example of one of the parts of the graph: Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use 2009 USA 41.5% (ages 12 and up) Netherlands 25.7% (ages 15-64). The problem is that the age groups do not match up at all. I mean, 12 and up compared to 15-64 is not an accurate comparison. These "facts", assuming this is the sight you use, hold no ground at all. Even if we take it for true, there is still an explanation. That being, as I have already said, that if they do not search, they will not find, means that they will not report, means that the numbers will be lower. About the effects of marijuana, well let's just say we could talk about this for a while. In the long term effects include: Reduced resistance to common illnesses (colds, bronchitis, etc.), suppression of the immune system, growth disorders, increase of abnormally structured cells in the body, rapid destruction of lung fibers and lesions (injuries) to the brain could be permanent, reduced ability to learn and retain information, apathy, drowsiness, and lack of motivation. There are others if you wish for me to elaborate. I do not consider these to be mild, so I do not consider marijuana to be a "mild" drug. And really though, why should we justify bad things by saying that we allow for worse things? That just seems counter intuitive.
58539672 says2015-07-19T23:18:18.6902303-05:00
@triangle.128k Their is one thing wrong I find with your Netherlands comparison. The Netherlands doesn't boarder a nation with incredibly powerful drug cartels that control the drug trade. The US drug problem is unique in that aspect. So be careful when changing drug policy. What works in one country may not work in another.
Donderpants says2015-07-20T00:34:57.0362317-05:00
@CannedBread I find it very hard to believe the devil specifically said that USA isn't the most free country in the world. I find it hard to believe the devil would specifically say that a country that was not even known yet would in the future not be the most free country on the planet. Please give me the sources to the claims that Hitler and Stalin both said specifically that USA isn't the most free country on the planet.
CannedBread says2015-07-20T10:17:42.8448914-05:00
@donderpants, you know who else questioned my sources? Hitler,Stalin, and the devil. You know who backs me up? God, Ronald Reagan, and Moses.
Donderpants says2015-07-20T13:21:05.3468717-05:00
Now another completely false statement...... Why would God prefer America to, say, any other country on the world? You might say because you have such a high percentage of the population being Christian. Well guess what? You don't make the top 25. (http://www.Operationworld.Org/hidden/highest-christian-population) So there is no reason God would care about America more than any other country. I doubt very much you were alive for the bible writing. So devil, God, and Moses are false. I don't know who Ronald Reagan is. And no wonder, according to Google he's just another politician from the early 1900's. Why, why I ask you would you think that a random politician is the same level of importance as the likes of God and Moses? I'm sorry if this is just you trying to be funny, it just doesn't work for me.
Donderpants says2015-07-20T13:21:48.5906261-05:00
I'd talk against Hitler and Stalin too, but I already did in an earlier comment.
58539672 says2015-07-20T17:14:55.0083078-05:00
@Donderpants Don't you know that Jesus is an American. And Ronald Reagan is Gods gift to humanity. :D
58539672 says2015-07-20T17:17:44.3159685-05:00
@Donderpants In all seriousness, CannedBread is just prodding you. Don't take what he says too seriously. And on another note, how in the world do you not know who Ronald Reagan is? Do you live under a rock.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T04:42:40.7334616-05:00
I'm a New Zealander, I don't really know much US politics.
58539672 says2015-07-21T11:21:30.2161121-05:00
Still, Ronald Reagan is well known among the international community (for better or for worse). He was the president who beat the soviet union (if you've ever seen the video of them tearing down the Berlin wall, and the guy saying, "Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall", that was him). He accelerated our military production rate, giving us the modern day US military (and began our unofficial career as the world police). He is also the unofficial founder of the modern Republican party. Most Republicans still follow the teachings of Ronald Reagan's "Big Government is the Problem" policy. Of all the post WW2 presidents, Reagan has had the biggest impact.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T15:53:23.1464979-05:00
I'm sorry, but the only US president I know beside the current one is Winston Chirchil, and George Washington. You underestimate just how little US politics I know or want to know. I'm sorry, but as none of my education even went anywhere near America (seriously, I doubt that anything about USA was mentioned once by the teachers.) and it really doesn't matter if I don't know them, I don't really care whether or not I know US politicians.
58539672 says2015-07-21T15:58:02.6537480-05:00
I can tell. Winston Churchill was the British Prime Minister during WW2. And this isn't just American history, its World history. Most world history classes in High school or College at least mention Reagan when covering recent history.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T16:23:45.8191527-05:00
Ah, I didn't choose history as a subject.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T16:26:38.5256456-05:00
And yes, that was a bad sign for me to think Winston Churchill was US. I didn't think about that very long, I just thought "Hmm, presidents overseas?" pretty much.
CannedBread says2015-07-21T16:53:00.6536317-05:00
@donderpants, come talk to me when New Zealand has been blessed with a wealth of natural resources, a constitution as great as ours, and when New Zealand becomes a super power. Do you know why America has, and is all of these things? Because God loves America. Also New Zealand is gay. USA FOR LIFE.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T20:24:37.0365335-05:00
Better natural resources- Done. Our food products are very valuable overseas. Plus of course we are the absolute safest place for tourists to visit, and we are coated in forest, so we have pretty good tourism. Better constitution- Evidently done, as we have far fewer crimes proportionally speaking. I'm personally an awful lot happier with ours than I'd be with USA's. Become's a superpower- Why would that matter? And anyway, even if it does, for our size we have accomplished an amazingly large amount. Peter Jackson is a globally known movie director, in sports we get more medals than many countries that have a higher population to choose from..... Really, for our size we are more well known than USA is for it's size. Think about it- We have 4.5 million people, you have over 325 million. So you have slightly over 72 times more people than us. Yet there are about 940,000,000 Google results for NZ, and only about 2,210,000,000 results, which isn't even three times as many results. So per person, Americans have nearly 7 Google results each, whereas New Zealanders have nearly 209. 7 vs 209. That's a pretty good sign for New Zealand that we are better known for our size. You realize nowadays that being considerate to the gay population is ethically smiled upon, right? So actually, as NZ made that leap (and letting women vote first) ages before America, you calling NZ gay is a reminder that we are morally superior (as a country, not necessarily as individuals.) America actually has only 1 or 2 of those things you mentioned. Some could say that your constitution is great, so if you count that it's 2, if not 1. Obviously America is globally well known. You know what other countries are well known? Russia. China. Britain. America is geographically speaking really, really large, of course people will know about it. Britain, being both small and well known, is actually probably more of a global superpower than America. Maybe America has surpassed their military, but Britain certainly looks to be the nicer country to go to. Smart looking schools, better economy, etc. etc. So if God loves countries with all 3 of those and you only have 1 or 2 while we have all 3, then surely God loves NZ, not USA, by your own logic. Therefore I can conclude that America is worse than NZ in almost every way.
triangle.128k says2015-07-21T20:28:14.5677093-05:00
@CannedBread Does god also love all those atheists in america?
CannedBread says2015-07-21T21:03:13.2251199-05:00
When America decides to take over the world I hope we just nuke New Zealand.
triangle.128k says2015-07-21T21:05:27.3559005-05:00
You're getting awfully aggressive.
CannedBread says2015-07-21T21:08:34.6867044-05:00
Fight me bro!
triangle.128k says2015-07-21T21:11:19.6060533-05:00
Why are you so hostile against all countries but USA and Israel?
CannedBread says2015-07-21T21:13:22.2528500-05:00
Also Spain, Ireland, and I have no real problems with France other then their politics.
triangle.128k says2015-07-21T21:14:33.8104533-05:00
What about Finland, Sweden, Poland, South Africa, China, South Korea, Japan and Australia?
triangle.128k says2015-07-21T21:14:48.2248533-05:00
So you think every country except for 5 sucks?
CannedBread says2015-07-21T21:23:33.5891153-05:00
I have certain countries I hate, certain countries that I don't care about, and certain countries I love. I love America, I love Israel, and Spain. I hate China, Russia, North Korea, England, Canada, New Zealand, most European countries, certain countries in Africa, not the biggest fan of South America, I also don't like most Asian countries. And I don't care about the rest.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T22:54:12.4764611-05:00
Well at least not we know exactly how horrible CannedBread is! Thank you for informing me CannedBread, I shall waste no more time. And NZ has been allies with America every time, so good, or rather bad luck getting USA to nuke us. I actually voted no on this, but after seeing CannedBread, I think it might actually be a good idea to change to Yes.
Donderpants says2015-07-21T22:56:02.9648780-05:00
Nah, I won't. 325 million people, so they can't change the entire country by sucking. Just barely.
CannedBread says2015-07-27T20:05:36.1113424-05:00
@Donderpants, just except that New Zealand puny compared to the massive power of the United States, why we are allies I have no idea, what does your country contribute to anything? Sheep? Sh*tty movies about gnomes? Once you admit your country sucks I will stop.
Donderpants says2015-07-27T22:03:17.0685062-05:00
We have contributed in almost all your wars, we are a trade partner for food supplies, there are many reasons USA has allied up with us. We have contributed more per person and have been morally superior for a number of years, giving voting rights to all citizens I think it was 68 years before America ever did, as well as being one of the first countries to accept homosexuality and we have generally been at the frontier of moral progress. Accept it, for our size NZ is better than USA. Per person we are greater. Obviously, due to superior numbers, you beat us a bit in certain areas..... Like population size..... And I guess that's about it? You seriously haven't presented anything USA is superior to us at- but for our size we are far superior. Very well, just tell me 2 things that America is superior at. If I accept them, I'll leave. Until then, I must view you as the idiotic being that has become senseless due to patriotism that you probably are. Seriously, just 2 things. I've come up with 8 if you read through my main comment, surely you can come up with 2. There's even an additional 3 in this comment, so surely if I can come up with 11, you can come up with 2? Although even if you can, I still win. 11 points going up against 2 is bound to win. So unless you go whole hog and come up with 11, I am right and NZ is better per person than USA.
CannedBread says2015-07-28T17:26:44.3221427-05:00
@donderpants, I can come up with many things, but you are going to use the ever classic "for my countries size" argument. Such as more Olympic medal wins, so sports, more exports of goods like tobacco, and fruit, so agriculture. And if you want to use the size argument lets look at a state that is smaller then New Zealand, Massachusetts, it has a larger population, lower unemployment rate, more money earned from agriculture,more universities, and that's just one state.
triangle.128k says2015-07-28T22:55:44.7691468Z
But New Zealand is a lot more rural than Massachusetts though.
triangle.128k says2015-07-28T18:01:44.8266758-05:00
Also, hwy do you hate Russia, China and Canada, as well as most european countries? I don't see anything wrong with them. I don't get what's with your sense of nationalism.
triangle.128k says2015-07-28T18:01:54.8731402-05:00
Donderpants says2015-07-28T23:38:10.6949533Z
Again, feeding me information. It has a larger population. Of course it's going to have more universities. That's a no brainer. And with USA's low quality production, it takes next to zero space, so of course in less space you'll have more agriculture. Higher population. So again, more people, more gets done, but per person we're superior. And that was only 1. Massachusettes may be better, but you'll need another 10 to tie me for points.
Donderpants says2015-07-28T23:40:05.4492889Z
Not per square mile, I never said that. Per person.
CannedBread says2015-07-30T02:18:14.5265700Z
@donderpants, I know when I've been beat. I wish I had other Americans on this site to back me up.
Varrack says2015-07-30T02:22:12.1355037Z
I like New Zealand and I'm American. I don't know what's up with CannedBread though.
58539672 says2015-07-30T02:23:40.8526738Z
@CannedBread Their are plenty of Americans on the site. They just don't agree with you.
triangle.128k says2015-07-30T02:26:30.5533164Z
@CannedBread Don't you mean that you wish you had other nationalists backing you up? I'm happy i'm american but I don't see an issue with New Zealand and some other countries you tend to insult.
CannedBread says2015-07-30T02:28:12.4860242Z
I'm just saying no one is backing me up.
CannedBread says2015-07-30T02:29:09.7075925Z
This is just one big micro aggression.
Varrack says2015-07-30T02:30:26.7362659Z
CannedBread, what's your problem? Just because a country isn't the US doesn't make it worthy of despise.
CannedBread says2015-07-30T02:33:01.8104866Z
Some of the things I say our me trolling, other things our my actual opinions.
58539672 says2015-07-30T05:39:54.2613919Z
@triangle.128k I consider myself to be quite the nationalist, and I still don't agree with CannedBread.

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