Are Americans brainwashed?

Posted by: 1814Username

In America, when you have legitimate logical questions about a national situation you are considered a "conspiracy theorist". Take 9/11 for example, the official story is crazy and so much of it does not make any sense. Yet, Americans believe blindly. Americans believe blindly when so many conspiracy theorists have been proven true.

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Yes, Americans are brainwashed.

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1814Username says2014-07-05T10:33:52.8002097-05:00
It is apparent to me that when people point out logical flaws in "official stories", many Americans scream conspiracy theory. Hundreds of conspiracies in this world have turned out to be true. The latest being the NSA spying on us. Americans will literally see something right in front of their eyes and deny what they are seeing. Take the Pentagon for example, not one picture exists of a plane. Eye witnesses have come out and said there was not a plane. Video footage exists of a reporter saying there was no signs of a plane. It makes no logical sense that not one camera has a picture of a plane. My God, this is the Pentagon for goodness sakes. It is not your local Wal-Mart. At the end of the day, it could just as easily been a missile. It could have been a plane and a missile. The plane flies over and the missile follows to the target. After all, two global hawk missiles were missing that day and never accounted for. This is just one small example of how things do not make sense about the official story. Another is that titanium black boxes do not survive at the towers but one paper passport from a terrorist does. In this history of mankind, no black boxes have ever been lost. In the history of mankind, no building has ever collapsed from office fires. But when you ask legitimate questions, you are considered a conspiracy theorist. What is more logical? We attacked ourselves so we could justify going to war or that 19 amateur pilots, who couldn't even fly single engine planes, thwarted our extremely good national defense system? Are Americans so brainwashed that they will just be sheep led to a slaughter? It is like Americans like being lied to. We have hundreds of examples of lies, yet Americans still believe the next biggest lie.
reece says2014-07-05T10:36:45.4783013-05:00
1814Username Thank you.
Haroush says2014-07-05T11:13:55.1901475-05:00
1814, Your comments are so full of assumptions it is ridiculous. If anything the American people who doubt people like you are the some of the smartest people. Believe it or not most Americans believe the way you do. So, this was a horrible example. The point is, this is best information we have. Not here-say like we are seeing here... Read for yourselves everyone... And if you already read, let's read it again for people like 1814 who thinks he knows the truth. Http://www.9-11commission.Gov/report/911Report.Pdf
Haroush says2014-07-05T11:24:28.7536403-05:00
People like Alex Jones and Michael Moore are nothing more than misinformation agents. At least they aren't both Misinformation agents and terrorist like Bill Ayers and his weather underground group he had. Which thought it was okay to protest the Vietnam War with violence by killing innocent civilians here in America and never got persecuted for all the crap he caused. Despite the fact there was all kinds of factual evidence that went against Bill Ayers. If anything, this is what is most baffling to me, people like this who want to cause mass chaos and killings, yet they are being praised and ignored by so many. I don't get it.
Haroush says2014-07-05T11:27:12.9124403-05:00
Or what about the governments involvement in the "Wall Street" movement? Now, there is factual evidence about these claims, but 9/11. No. Not one smidgen of corruption when it came to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Haroush says2014-07-05T11:39:18.4848351-05:00
The only thing the U.S. did to aid in the attacks of 9/11 was A.) Not take the enemy seriously in the first place. And B.) Give military supplies to Al-Qaeda at one point back in the day. One last point, since we weren't on our toes when it comes to National Security terrorist that were obviously with terrorist groups as we know today was not evident then. Therefore, these terrorist were able to train to fly complicated systems like that on Boeings and planes like this. Besides, if it were such an inside job why would have Al-Qaeda taken responsibility for these attacks in the first place, and Why is it they tried to do multiple more plane Hijackings after 9/11 happened. Either by similar instances or by threatening they had a bomb on board the plane, or by some other means?
1814Username says2014-07-05T12:01:35.0028329-05:00
Have you ever seen interviews with the people on the commission? They don't even believe what is in the report and really all the information is skewed because they are getting the information from the government in the first place. There are thousands of architects, engineers, pilots, firemen, physicists, and scientists who dispute the official report. I could not care less about Alex Jones, Bill Myers, or Michael Moore. They have never bothered me so I have nothing to say bad about them, but who I do care about is the thousands of accomplished professionals from around the world that have solid evidence that we are being lied to. So you can have your report and take it for what it is worth. I will use my common sense. When a major air force base is only 11 miles away from the Pentagon -- an air force base that is designed to protect the Pentagon -- and nothing is scrambled to intercept a threat, something is wrong. Our military is not chopped liver and there are many competent people in it. When I am told there was a plane but I am not given a picture of the plane, something is wrong. When we execute a man and dump is body in the ocean, something is wrong. That report you read is meaningless. When Mineta goes on record but is not in the report, something is wrong. When Building 7 is not even mentioned in the report, something is wrong. But do not take my word for it, go on YouTube and pull up interviews with the commission members, start with Senator Max Cleland.
Haroush says2014-07-05T12:08:17.3273016-05:00
We didn't even realize it was a threat until after the second plane hit the second WTC.
Haroush says2014-07-05T12:13:38.0636595-05:00
Well, most experts agree the 9/11 Commission Report was legit and credible. So, even if they were contradicting the report, there is more experts who confirm the 9/11 CR was credible and legit.
1814Username says2014-07-05T12:17:36.9304298-05:00
Again, when the people on the commission itself have doubts --- there is a problem. Again, use your common sense. My God, 47 story buildings do not collapse from office fires. Listen to the firefighters talk about how the office fires could have been easily extinguished. I don't care what is in some report. Listen to the people there and use common sense. No building in the history of mankind has fallen from office fires. When it is not even mentioned in the report, something is wrong.
Haroush says2014-07-05T12:22:55.6560729-05:00
Umm.. Jet fuel burns at very high temperatures and is hard to put out. So, what you are saying makes no sense. Besides, the WTC buildings collapsed just like they should according to the circumstances.
1814Username says2014-07-05T12:24:29.1626657-05:00
By the way, regarding us not knowing until after the second tower: The North Tower was hit at 8:46 am. The South Tower is struck at 9:03 am. Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon at 9:37 am. So you are telling me that in 34 minutes, no fighters or attack helicopters could have been scrambled to protect the Pentagon --- from a base only 11 miles way? Come on. Who are you kidding.
Haroush says2014-07-05T12:32:15.3693807-05:00
Again, on the day of 9/11 we were caught completely off guard. Therefore, it was a lot to take in with in such a small amount of time. By the way, 34 minutes isn't really that long amount of time at all. Besides, 34 minutes in on June 21st and 34 minutes on September 11th are unique . Meaning time moves faster as we get closer to the winter solstice. So, yes it is possible it could have taken that long. Furthermore, think about how chaotic it was that day... Confusion causes complication which causes mistakes to happen.
1814Username says2014-07-05T12:59:17.3197784-05:00
Are you just crazy. You are bringing up the winter solstice? How much more will your rationalize? 34 minutes is 34 minutes. Do you know how many off course jets our military failed to intercept in the history of our country? None. It has never happened ever --- except on that day. The whole purpose of that air force base is to protect Washington and the Pentagon. After the first crash, jets would have been in the air in minutes let alone 34 minutes. Just stop it with the Winter Solstice and trying to tell me that time is different. That is how brainwashed people are .... They are reduced to trying to say time is different. Now apparently on 9/11, not only did all of the laws of physics fail, time itself failed. Please. Who are you kidding? Only yourself.
Haroush says2014-07-05T13:02:44.0977784-05:00
I never said the laws of physics failed or anything else except our own national security. The only person here who is putting blind faith in something in this argument is you. That is the conspiracy theories of 9/11.
1814Username says2014-07-05T13:06:50.0622749-05:00
You just mentioned the freaking winter solstice. You used that as an excuse and tried to tell me that time runs differently. A minute is a minute. Just stop it.
Haroush says2014-07-05T13:14:12.9002709-05:00
I never said the time ran differently on the clock, but if you had comprehended it correctly, you would have understood that I meant time as in our perception of time. Meaning our perception of time slows down in events like this and the time on the clock is still moving at the same pace, making time move faster. Therefore, it takes us longer to respond and understand what is going on. Therefore, it is like you are psychologically paralyzed, but then confusion sets in as soon as you try to make sense of what is going on causing things to take longer than they normally would.
reece says2014-07-05T13:18:06.4179586-05:00
Haroush,how does that fit in with the winter winter solstice?
Haroush says2014-07-05T13:23:18.7451716-05:00
Because, the closer we get to the winter solstice the shorter days get, manipulating peoples perception of time. Not to mention, people using day light savings time and not standard time.
Haroush says2014-07-05T13:24:58.7418126-05:00
Wtf Reece. I am already getting double teamed in one poll comments section and now here? This is ridiculous.
Haroush says2014-07-05T13:27:29.3288731-05:00
I guess I'll take that as a compliment..
reece says2014-07-05T13:32:46.9449940-05:00
Take it how ever you want :)
1814Username says2014-07-05T14:48:51.2951165-05:00
You are not being double teamed Haroush. Do not take it that way. You are entitled to your opinions. I am just passionate about 9/11. That day permanently altered the course of our great nation and we only spent $15 million dollars to find out the truth. To me, that is unacceptable. We spent 4 times more on Monica's blow job than we did on 9/11. That just isn't right. I am not much of a conspiracy theorist though. I just legitimately have questions about 9/11. The only other conspiracy I fully believe in is Kennedy. No way did Oswald kill Kennedy. So at the end of the day, what ever your opinions are -- that is okay.
quitbitchin says2014-07-05T18:00:07.9077980-05:00
Why would the U.S. try to fake a national crisis?? To make their own people scared? To waste money rebuilding national places like the World Trade Centers? I don't think so. It is true that we don't know what is going on in our government right now, but would the government really try to stage an act like planes hitting national monuments? Sounds pretty crazy. With all the trouble in the Middle East and with the conflict between us and the extremist muslims, why would it be an act?
1814Username says2014-07-05T22:18:55.8007945-05:00
@Quit --- why? Money and power. Do you really think the rich care about countries or the people in them? Hang out around the mega-wealthy and and see what I mean. Also, why did the US fake the Gulf of Tonkin incident? Why did the propose Operation Northwoods? This wouldn't be the first time a government attacked itself to go to war. History is full of examples of this. Why do you think the United States is immune to corrupt government that does not care about the people? Our founding fathers told us that tyranny would come to our land in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. Personally, I think we all need to stop with all this nationalism nonsense. We all forget who has dominion over the earth. Trust me, he does not give a dang what country you are from. He just looks to destroy and take souls. We always have to remember there are good and bad people in government. Hopefully the good triumph, but if they do not, well any country could be at risk.
Haroush says2014-07-06T16:24:04.6727804-05:00
@ 1814, The reason I brought up being double teamed was because I was being double teamed one thread at the same time I was doing this one, then Reece came from the other thread where I was getting double teamed at and I was thinking,"Come on now!" Lol, it's no big deal.
1814Username says2014-07-06T16:29:20.3975324-05:00
I just like to make sure people can express their views without being ridiculed. After all, we are all dealing with incomplete data and information. At the end of the day, we could all be wrong in our theories. That is the sad part. Often things are withheld from the people, so there is a lot of speculation.
reece says2014-07-06T16:36:33.0791986-05:00
Haroush, you still haven't replied to me on the other thread? :( http://www.debate.org/polls/do-you-chose-what-you-believe/?vid=B8E96703-E6E6-4976-84E0-8EF3ECA60CA6
iheartNK says2014-07-07T15:49:11.0377016-05:00
Of course american scum are brainwashed. They think the capitalist country of america can save them. However, they are forced to work minimum wage which is low pay while the rich are richer. You guys are all rich with all electricity. You don't let the poor got electricity and their ration of bread and water. You think you are smart, but capitalist media feed you falsely.
debate_power says2014-07-07T15:58:56.2244999-05:00
@iheartNK Good that at least I don't consider myself a brainwashed moron. It's true that we enjoy too many material goods at the expense of too many people and their livelihoods. I'm not part of the "scum", as far as I know.
iheartNK says2014-07-07T16:00:53.4128964-05:00
Are you say that you are capitalist and are no scum, or you are communist and are no scum?
debate_power says2014-07-07T16:04:31.5152999-05:00
@iheartNK Neither, and not scum. I'm trying to decide what I am, really. However, I prefer cooperation to competition in nearly every case. Interpret that as you will.
iheartNK says2014-07-07T16:05:25.1792999-05:00
I see, so you are in between.
debate_power says2014-07-07T16:07:06.8292530-05:00
@iheartNK Yes, but probably leaning towards communist.
debate_power says2014-07-07T16:07:42.1478794-05:00
@iheartNK Moral beliefs ultimately define who you are...
quitbitchin says2014-07-15T00:06:08.8090345-05:00
Why would the U.S. want more power by taking out countries. We don't even have the best economy. Why would we want more power. Think about all the obstacles that will face us if we do otherwise.

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