Are atheists inherently immoral? (For theists to answer, DO NOT ANSWER ATHEISTS!!!)

Posted by: retrogamer176

  • Yes!

  • No!

23% 5 votes
77% 17 votes
  • duh, they are typically overly-left wing and have a lower standard of morality.

  • I'm an atheist and I voted what the F*ck are you going to do about it?

    Posted by: hect
  • Well I guess it depends on the atheist. The definition of so atheism is so wide that it includes some who have a religion. But there is certain groups of atheism that are inherently immoral by some standards. An example of such a group would be nihilism which don't believe that morals exist.

  • If you're an atheist then there is no reason to be immoral. If you have no reason to be moral than why would you?

  • Morality is subjective to the individual, thus atheists are moral based on their own beliefs, but can be seen as immoral from other perspectives.

  • Many are more moral than theists. A person being good is up to the individual not what beleif they are of. Thats even in the Bible if you read it. "For all who have sinned apart from the Law will also perish apart from the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law. For it is not merely those who hear the Law who are righteous in God’s sight. No, it is those who follow the Law, who will be justified. For whenever gentiles, who do not possess the Law, do instinctively what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law. They show that what the Law requires is written in their hearts, a fact to which their own consciences testify, and their thoughts will either accuse or excuse them 16on that day when God, through Jesus the Messiah,b will judge people’s secrets according to my gospel."

    Posted by: Stefy
  • Atheists are not immoral. As a person with many atheist friends and an atheist brother, I can safely say that most atheists are not immoral. They definitely don't condone rape, torture, racism, or murder. So no, atheists are definitely not immoral.

    Posted by: tsume
  • We are all inherently immoral.

  • Morals vary on character, not religion! An atheist could have much better morals than a Christian!

  • Not "immoral", but without direct moral guidance, they generally are relative moralists, believing that each person decides for themselves what is right/wrong.

  • Morals are not determined by religious beliefs but by what society decides is moral. Society decided slavery is immoral,even though the bible condones it.Most religions condone slavery. Modern society has decided that a women should not be forced to marry the man that raped her.In the bible, if a man raped a woman, he had to marry her or be killed. The bible says nothing about the woman having a choice in the matter. In fact,women don't really have much rights in the bible. The fact is that the things we consider moral don't come from belief in god, but from societies collective decision that something is wrong. If we decided to let the bible determine what's moral or not, we'd be stoning women,killing gays, forcing women to marry the men who raped them,we'd still have slavery,women would have no rights, etc.. It's a good thing that our morals are not determined by theists,otherwise we'd live in a brutal society.

    Posted by: Lager
  • What kind of absurd question is this?

    Posted by: SegBeg
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briantheliberal says2015-05-12T16:14:46.6162088-05:00
Can we comment?
retrogamer176 says2015-05-12T16:15:52.6206550-05:00
Sure, why not! Just don't vote.
retrogamer176 says2015-05-12T16:16:38.7192460-05:00
BTW, know the guy from the No option?
Kreakin says2015-05-12T16:20:41.2407516-05:00
There can't be many things that exist in someone as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute. People change all the time.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T16:25:39.8140104-05:00
Yup, that is Hemant Mehta, from the Atheist Voice channel on Youtube. He is pretty awesome, nice guy.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T16:27:45.8938441-05:00
My favorite video of his - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-_FJuTPns
CommunistDog says2015-05-12T16:30:26.0167509-05:00
There are religious people who are bad too. While religion does inspire many to do good in this world and you will be rewarded, there are people who follow that religion but do exactly the opposite as their religion is meant to guide one.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T16:44:22.9754199-05:00
I personally believe that nobody should be doing good just because they think they will be rewarded for it. It's dishonest and not based on genuine kindness and willingness to help others. It's for their own self-interest. I want to help people because I want to make a difference in their lives and show compassion for my fellow human beings, not because a god will accept me into heaven for it. But that's just me.
Vox_Veritas says2015-05-12T17:10:53.4513728-05:00
There is no such thing as true altruism.
CommunistDog says2015-05-12T17:12:39.1115274-05:00
Tru dat
Episteme says2015-05-12T17:34:48.5917718-05:00
PetersSmith - I have a significant other who would disagree with you about morality being subjective. His arguments would typically be that there is a perfect morality out there and that we, as a larger society, are slowly getting closer and closer to that objective morality. He would say, since truth is an absolute, and you can't have multiple truths (the dress was blue and black, regardless of whether people saw it that way or not - the sky is blue even if someone else is colourblind) then you cannot have multiple truths for morality. I'm playing devil's advocate, I don't necessarily believe this myself, but I just wanted to know your arguments for the subjectivity of morality. If an action is good, then if the action is done by two different people, it should still be a 'good' action. It can't be an evil action for one of those people, if the action is the same.
Midnight1131 says2015-05-12T17:47:30.6659730-05:00
Genesis, please provide evidence that atheists have "lower standard of morality." You can't because morality is subjective.
PetersSmith says2015-05-12T17:50:03.6683034-05:00
Episteme: Humans can't experience anything objectively, so there are no absolute truths for us. "If an action is good, then if the action is done by two different people, it should still be a 'good' action. It can't be an evil action for one of those people, if the action is the same." Who defines if that action is "good" or not? It could be an evil action for both of them depending on someone else's views on morality. Those two people could be murders and they feel that their actions are "good" because they're cleansing society of let's say...Religious people. However, the more common view of society would say that their actions are evil. No one has the right authority to completely define, morally speaking, whether their actions are good or evil. Of course, we can define what's just by law or not.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T18:47:32.6800637-05:00
Vox_Veritas, maybe not, but my main reason for acting selfless is not based on religion.
TheHappyReaper says2015-05-12T19:21:09.3497501-05:00
Why is the "immoral" a picture of a satanist?
PetersSmith says2015-05-12T19:22:40.6270916-05:00
TheHappyReaper: Because atheists on this site have a tendency to vote on Satanism when given the option.
TheHappyReaper says2015-05-12T19:29:25.3268713-05:00
But why is Satanism immoral?
Nuzlocke4 says2015-05-12T22:43:58.8363924-05:00
Hey look at that, Genesis9's account is closed. :P
PetersSmith says2015-05-12T22:44:30.2707954-05:00
Nuzlocke4: Yeah, I don't know why that took so long.
retrogamer176 says2015-05-13T00:22:01.1514266-05:00
@thehappyreaper I chose what Christians view as the embodiment of evil, not what is actually immoral. I apologies to satanists who suffer because of the christian view of Satan!
TheHappyReaper says2015-05-13T06:29:09.3430321-05:00
Okay
retrogamer176 says2015-05-13T08:22:06.1644555-05:00
@hect cry myself to sleep.
hect says2015-05-13T16:47:10.6212689-05:00
This is what you get for assuming authority over me
retrogamer176 says2015-05-16T23:32:10.4561443-05:00
@genisis uhh, left-wing is more moral than right-wing. And what "standard" are you hoping for? Is "if it harms others, don't do it" not enough of a moral code? @hect I'm still crying about it. @mathgeek that wasn't the question. I was asking about atheism as a whole. @applestoapples I love when people make that argument. It's basically them saying "if god wasn't real, I'd be killing, raping, and stealing". Think about your arguments before you post them.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T08:42:16.0534284-05:00
@retrogamer176 Atheism as a whole includes some people who are in a religion! Atheism also includes people who never heard of atheism or theism! Also the vast majority of atheist don't even think they are atheist! Atheism as a whole is a group so wide and general, it is pointless to ask questions about.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T08:45:29.6305201-05:00
"I love when people make that argument. It's basically them saying "if god wasn't real, I'd be killing, raping, and stealing". Think about your arguments before you post them." If you think about his argument, it is fairly sound. For one, people would still be deterred from crimes because of punishment and laws. But lets say it is complete anarchy, you lack any morals to not do theses evil things, why would you not do them?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T08:47:54.6980408-05:00
@retrogame176 You have complained about me voting on the yes side, but you haven't complained about Apokilptik voting on the no side. What type of double standard is that.
retrogamer176 says2015-05-17T18:38:49.2228333-05:00
@mathgeek Yes, there are those who lack morals, but atheism, by itself, doesn't cause those lack of morals. What I meant to say was, the magic fairy in the sky should not be the reason you aren't committing atrocities. As for apokiliptik, yeah, he should've voted yes.
Reeseroni says2015-05-28T22:03:09.4903360-05:00
@retrogamer176 Oh man I'm SO SORRY to BUMP this old topic (hehehe). I wanted to mention that your picture of "yes" is of a black mass, and these are not atheists they are just Satanists.

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