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Neither.

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Babies are born atheist.

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Babies are born agnostic.

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Babies are born religious/in faith.

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briantheliberal says2014-04-30T15:29:15.7974920-05:00
Babies are born without a belief in god, so technically they are atheists by default until their parents start indoctrinating them. Unless they start wondering if there is really a god or "higher power" out there, then they would become agnostic.
SweetTea says2014-04-30T15:46:01.6367910-05:00
It's insane to say that babies are born as believers, or non-believers. To be either, they have to have the mental & emotional capability to choose. They do not. A baby sleeps, eats & soils his/her diaper. That's it. They have no formed opinions, agendas, etc.
Zylorarchy says2014-04-30T15:48:21.0233963-05:00
@SweetTea, therefore they do not believe. They do not have the mental capacity to believe in... Anything.
SweetTea says2014-04-30T15:52:27.5514920-05:00
You can't be an atheist, or anything else, by default. You must know what you believe. Every atheist that I ever heard speak, post, etc., knew they did not believe. A baby doesn't have that mental capacity. It would be just as big of a stretch to say: Are babies born athletes or couch potatoes?
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T15:53:58.2343141-05:00
Yes you can. The very definition of atheism is to have a lack of belief in a god, which is exactly what babies have, a lack of belief in gods. They are born without any real knowledge of religion until their parents teach them to believe in religion.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:16:36.3232989-05:00
Or they decide there is no evidence...
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T16:23:56.4328301-05:00
They wouldn't need evidence because the very concept of god is taught, it's not a common theory. Let's say everyone was born in a world without religion, nobody would consider the concept of god because religion isn't there to be considered as an alternative. Everyone is born obvious to the concept of whether or not a god exists until they are expose to it.
SweetTea says2014-04-30T16:28:26.1115451-05:00
Briantheliberal ... An atheist has a "lack of belief" because they have discerned that there is no God. In other words, they have a basis for their lack of beliefs. A baby has no formed opinion, or knowledge. That's 2 very different things.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:28:51.4615451-05:00
So people are born neutral with no opinion. Neither Theist nor Atheist.
SweetTea says2014-04-30T16:32:15.0222920-05:00
Kreakin says it best. Babies are neutral -- unknowing & uncaring -- with no formed opinion. Http://dictionary.Reference.Com/browse/atheist
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T16:42:01.3847014-05:00
SweetTea, there are people who don't believe in god simply because they don't care about the evidence. There are people who have never even heard of "god" and they are atheists too.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-30T16:42:50.9562920-05:00
As a christian, I'm going with the holy spirit argument. Everyone believes that god exists, but its up to them to let him in. From a religious point of view of course.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:44:54.8982920-05:00
The question is about babies, try to stay relevant to the topic please.
SweetTea says2014-04-30T16:45:47.5794920-05:00
Briantheliberal ... The "people" you mentioned still know why they are an atheist. They have a "formed opinion". Babies are not capable. Aside from that, you should follow the link in my previous post. A baby does not fit the definition of an atheist.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-30T16:48:18.9830682-05:00
Kreakin, it is absolutely relevant. In Christianity, we believe that everyone knows god exists through the holy spirit. With that logic, we can assume babies are born believing a god exists.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:50:22.8882920-05:00
With that logic we could beleive just about any old tosh!
SamuelMarshall999 says2014-04-30T16:51:28.3046682-05:00
Theism is the belief that a perfectly conscious understanding being, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other things. Atheism is the rejection of Theism, it is the rejection of belief that even one deity exists. Agnostics claim that the existence of any deity is unknowable.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-30T16:55:00.6462920-05:00
I'm simply giving the religious point of view. I am religious, and this is the main basis of why I believe in god. In Christianity, once you let god in, its impossible to deny him. I believe in god, because its impossible for me to deny him, no matter how hard I try.
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T16:55:13.5786920-05:00
That's the point, babies don't know a thing about "god" until someone teaches them about it. Otherwise they are atheists, they continue to be atheists until they choose to believe in god.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:56:28.2776174-05:00
Derp, I give up. Hope your trolling...
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T16:56:49.6341543-05:00
Atheism is not about having some sort of "opinion", it's simply a lack of belief in god. All babies are born with a lack of belief in a god.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-30T16:57:19.4238920-05:00
Its difficult to explain. Everyone knows a god exists at birth, but they don't know who that god is (Talking from the religious view). So I would actually lean more towards agnostic
Kreakin says2014-04-30T16:57:42.7458920-05:00
Please stop you are making me sad.
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T16:57:51.5442920-05:00
I don't know where in any of my comments made you think I was trolling. You don't like the truth just say so.
Jifpop09 says2014-04-30T16:59:06.0810920-05:00
Hes talking about me. I didn't come here to debate religion. We can do that elsewhere. Point is, I am religious, and this is what we believe. If you want to debate Christianity itself, then do so in the forums.
Dishoungh says2014-04-30T17:24:41.0213144-05:00
There is a difference between not believing because you don't know about it and not believing because that is your own disbelief and your opinion about the existence of God(s).
Dishoungh says2014-04-30T17:32:10.6768687-05:00
As a matter of fact, babies don't have an opinion about God(s); therefore, they are neutral.
creationtruth says2014-04-30T19:00:36.1378378-05:00
Babies are born with a knowledge of Elohim (the Creator God).
briantheliberal says2014-04-30T19:05:35.0182378-05:00
"There is a difference between not believing because you don't know about it and not believing because that is your own disbelief and your opinion about the existence of God(s)." - Yes, but either way it's still atheism by definition.
Kreakin says2014-04-30T19:10:19.7338378-05:00
Atheism [ey-thee-iz-uhm] noun 1. The doctrine or belief that there is no God. 2. Disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
SNP1 says2014-04-30T19:44:44.9748619-05:00
Babies are born as agnostic atheists. They do not know and do not believe. True agnosticism (where you are not a theist and not an atheist) is impossible, you are either an agnostic theist or agnostic atheist. Babies are born as agnostic atheists.
Dishoungh says2014-04-30T21:48:25.1430539-05:00
@briantheliberal It's not because babies didn't make a choice to believe. You see, babies are non-believers. There is a difference between a non-believer and an atheist. An atheist made up his mind his/her heart that there is not a God. He/She has made a choice. What you believe in is a choice. You see where I'm coming from? Babies don't have a choice yet at birth. Once they have a choice, then that's what they believe in. But, since babies don't have a choice of what to believe in, they are neutral.
Dishoungh says2014-04-30T21:50:31.1605305-05:00
@briantheliberal Atheism by definition is the REJECTION of the existence of deities. Babies don't reject nor accept anything at birth. So, that further proves my point.
Fight4Liberty says2014-04-30T22:46:54.0072619-05:00
My interpretation of agnostic: One who neither rejects or agrees with the existence of God, (sometimes looks for evidence) I could be wrong on my interpretation, but I'd argue babies are agnostic from this list.
SweetTea says2014-05-01T04:56:28.5345869-05:00
Briantheliberal said, "That's the point, babies don't know a thing about "god" until someone teaches them about it." A child raised, or exposed, to "Free Thought" is basically being taught atheism.
Dishoungh says2014-05-01T07:00:00.1554940-05:00
I would also like.To point out that being agnostic is not the same as being a non-believer due to lack of knowledge. Being agnostic by definition means you're SKEPTICAL. If you're skeptical about something, that means you made a conscious decision to challenge the existence of deities and seek their truth values; however, babies can't be able to do that because babies in that early stage haven't developed their brains enough to make proper and conscious decisions for themselves of what to believe in. They haven't made a religious choice yet. Also, babies don't seek the "truth" because they don't have any knowledge about God(s) yet. How can you seek the truth for something that you know nothing about and you were just born? Even though a baby finds the "truth",he/she wouldn't be able to understand it. Also, if babies are atheists and agnostic by default because they don't know anything about God(s), then I'm assuming that you're implying that animals, rocks, trees, and other inanimate objects are atheists and agnostic. They don't know about God(s).
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-05-01T09:20:59.6413549-05:00
They are born agnostic : They don't know.
SNP1 says2014-05-01T09:51:15.7309549-05:00
Comrade: They are born as agnostic atheists. They do not know and do not believe
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-05-01T09:52:47.2668566-05:00
Agreed
Dishoungh says2014-05-01T10:37:13.1724771-05:00
It's the same exact thing for every other choice. Pretend if you hate/dislike Coke or Pepsi, you are some name that means you hate Coke or Pepsi (I know it's a stupid, but still. It's hypothetical.) I don't hate/dislike Coke or Pepsi nor have I even tasted any of them. So, that makes me neutral because I haven't developed an opinion on whether I like or don't like Coke or Pepsi. Being agnostic and an atheist is all dependent on choice. It's almost the same thing with being gay or not. Babies don't make a decision if they like girls or if they like boys. So; therefore, they are neutral. I've clearly clarified that babies are neither agnostic or atheist.
BblackkBbirdd says2014-05-01T16:19:42.6878479-05:00
Dishoungh - "Being agnostic and an atheist is all dependent on choice. " Atheism just means that you don't believe in god, the definition of atheism mentions nothing about atheists needing to make a choice about whether god is existent.
Dishoungh says2014-05-01T18:56:29.0362123-05:00
@BblackkBbirdd I stopped caring about babies being atheist/agnostic because this topic is absurd and unimportant because what does it matter of what we believed in when we were born. I mean if we didn't believe in that point, we believe now 15, 16, or so years later. So, what's the point of going back and saying we didn't believe in anything when we were babies? It sounds like an excuse to shove the idea of atheism/agnosticism down people's throat. I'm saying that's true, but seriously, stop it. My friends think this topic is absurd, my parents think it's absurd, my teachers think it's absurd, my band director think it's absurd, and I think it's absurd. This is not even important. What matters is what's going on right now. So, I'm out of here.
Dishoungh says2014-05-01T18:58:02.8234123-05:00
"I'm saying that's true, but seriously, stop it." Oops, I meant to say that I'm not saying it's true.
Dishoungh says2014-05-01T19:46:38.6030479-05:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qjQjQQrdk8
Cold-Mind says2014-05-02T10:44:16.3456339-05:00
Babies are born both agnostic and atheist.

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