I would be happy to be able to say, even as an atheists, that Christians on-measure are beneficial to a society. The problem is not just fundamentalists, the very act of "religion" holds back society too. The ability it has had to organize our social structure is not denied, but that has not been without its negatives.
Any harmful behavior attributed to Christians is a result of Christians not acting like Christians. Remember the Golden Rule. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you. If everyone would just follow this rule, there would be no wars. No starvation. No poverty. Well. Poverty will always be with us, but at least there would be a lot less of it.
@B0HICA That's YOUR interpretation of Christianity. You're basically one of those people who say "people who do this are true Christians" "people who do that are not true Christians" or whatever. You know Hitler considered himself to be a true Christian, he saw himself as truly a man of god.
@triangle: "You're basically one of those people who say "people who do this are true Christians" "people who do that are not true Christians" or whatever." I found nothing in B0HICA's comment that would support this statement. You kind of just said it. "You know Hitler considered himself to be a true Christian, he saw himself as truly a man of god." His actions did not follow the teachings of the Bible, therefore he could not have been a "true Christian". There is a difference between calling yourself a Christian and being one. If you disagree, point out somewhere in the Bible that would prove me wrong. "The bible from what i've read isn't that clearly written, it can be up for interpretation." Nothing B0HICA said had anything to do with interoperation of the Bible. Again, you just kind of said it. Also, even if B0HICA was interpreting it a certain way, you did not provide a counter interpretation, so the whole argument is invalid. "By the ways, isn't the religious forum the place for you? Isn't that the place for attacking other religions and preaching your own or whatever?" B0HICA neither attacked nor preached a religion. Why do you keep making these comments? Besides, there is no reason that we should not be allowed to talk religion outside of the forums. All of my conversations about religion are outside of the forums, so no the religious forum is not where B0HICA should be restricted.
@B0HICA or mwedwards - I think you both have expressed disagreement on same sex marriages. That would be an example of Christianity (good Christian behavior by your measure) to be a negative for society in my opinion. It has caused harm to many individuals, and hampered progress. That is a decent example.
The bible doesn't have literal black and white teachings. You should know that as a Christian, it's up for interpretation. Some Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible, others don't. I don't need to prove anything to justify another bible interpretation. The burden of proof is on B0HICA to prove why his interpretation is correct, and that something like Hitler's isn't.
Christianity has started to get a bad rap, because the most bigoted, hate-filled Christians speak out and persecute others for their views. They don't represent the majority of Christianity. Yes we believe homosexuality is a sin, but on the other hand we believe you are forgiven for transgressions. Christians are cookie-cutter hate mongers like many believe. It is time for the general population of Christianity to speak up, and show the world the truth.
"That would be an example of Christianity (good Christian behavior by your measure) to be a negative for society in my opinion ." Emphasis on the "in my opinion ." ;) I'm actually glad you put that, because that means that you recognize that we probably see this differently. Although you think that gay marriage is to the benefit of society based on your own beliefs, I do not based on my beliefs. " It has caused harm to many individuals, and hampered progress." Well, I am sorry if people were hurt. That is not right if people were hurt, and the Bible does not support hurting people, so I find it hard to think that this comment will really get you anywhere if the Bible condemns those actions. Even in examples you may be able to provide, I don't think that is at all representative of Christianity as a whole in any way. Maybe a few people do bad things, but not at all everyone. About the progress part, well, we have different views on what "progress" is. Take the abortion topic for instance. I believe that ending abortion would be progress because it would support the right of humans to live, whereas you believe ending abortion would not be progress because you believe it would negatively impacts women's rights. The idea of "progress" is not the same for everyone. "That is a decent example." Nah.
@triangle: I will address each comment on separate comments. “Sorry to sound aggressive,” Oh no, you’re ok. I have heard much worse on this site. Your comments were mild. ;) “but he's made attacks and seems to be a bible thumper.” Could you provide any example of this. I have never seen this. Also, what do you mean by a “bible thumper”? I am not familiar with this expression. “He's attacked muslims before just as an example.” Is there any way you can give me a link to this?I I Ok, so apart from all of that, do you also believe that those who have attacked religion in less than kind ways should also be restricted to the forums, or just those that are religious?
@triangle: “The bible doesn't have literal black and white teachings. You should know that as a Christian, it's up for interpretation.” Actually I disagree. I think the Bible makes things pretty clear. You are welcome to try and test it if you want. “Some Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin according to the bible, others don't.” Really? If I may ask, where in the Bible does it show support for homosexuality? “I don't need to prove anything to justify another bible interpretation. The burden of proof is on B0HICA to prove why his interpretation is correct, and that something like Hitler's isn't.” That’s actually not true. The only way your argument has any ground is if you can prove that Hitler’s views were correct, and that B0HICA’s were incorrect. Otherwise you are only talking with no offense on what your opponent is saying. Frankly I don’t think you can do either, and I think you know it.
@triangle: You do realize that the Bible was written from multiple perspectives right? Matthew saw things a little different from Luke, and Luke saw things a little differently from John. This is not bad, otherwise God or Jesus would have made it clear that one interoperation of someone’s was bad. For a more direct response, I would probably have to say that Jesus did not specifically endorse one denomination, therefore several denominations can exist. Now, some probably are not good and may do bad things, but there can be more than one good denomination.
How about this. Christianity is good for society because it endorses good moral teachings and a strong moral compass, even if you don't personally believe it to be true. It also creates standards for people to live up to and as a whole contributes good morally straight (not straight as in not gay, but straight as in a line) people to society who are willing to help others before themselves.
@Plexon_Warrior, Yeah that sounds better. I just know the liberal agenda consists of creating a perception that Christianity is bad, not just by their criticism, but also by putting pressure on believers to apologize for other Christians' actions or words. Here is the fact... There is no Christian who doesn't make mistakes, but not every Christian asks for forgiveness. Therefore, whatever personal choices one person makes is there responsibility to explain themselves. Though as a brother or sister we are to not explain someone else's actions, but explain to those who don't understand this is why Yeshua gave us the gift of forgiveness. This is one's choice to accept the forgiveness given to them or not. Furthermore, words and phrases can easily be misunderstood by the audience which is very commonly done by those non-believers.