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reece says2015-06-21T01:01:51.4398550-05:00
Are you implying over 90% of the greatest minds in the world are evil?
reece says2015-06-21T06:43:04.6323207-05:00
@B0HICA WTF? Republicans are the ones that say corporations are people and then some. Guess who runs the government?
reece says2015-06-21T06:50:26.4121064-05:00
Progressives are for being enlightened and conservatives are for being primitive.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:12:43.2225237-05:00
@reece: I am not for being primitive. I am for the free market which gives us fantastic items that we use today. Cars, computers, the internet, and others were all created in a free market society.
reece says2015-06-21T07:14:38.2123350-05:00
@mwedwards Oh, so you don't want to live in the iron age with your lord and savior?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:16:11.2369239-05:00
@reece: Excuse me? I don't understand the question.
reece says2015-06-21T07:21:22.0261005-05:00
@mwedwards Do you want to halt/reverse progress or do you want to embrace it?
reece says2015-06-21T07:22:04.0954324-05:00
Within reason is a given.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:26:55.5449142-05:00
@reece: Progress has come through capitalism, which has brought massive advancements. Why would I want to destroy the machine of innovation?
reece says2015-06-21T07:27:50.2485015-05:00
So you're progressive?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:28:42.2191014-05:00
@reece: Progressives are not pro capitalism, they are pro socialism. So no, I am not.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:29:31.6448522-05:00
@reece: What do you mean when you say "progress." What do you consider to be this?
reece says2015-06-21T07:30:49.7210175-05:00
Progressivism is a broad philosophy based on the Idea of Progress, which asserts that advancement in science, technology, economic development, and social organization are vital to improve the human condition.
reece says2015-06-21T07:31:37.7855418-05:00
Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of the culture and civilization.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:35:36.8574812-05:00
@reece: Yes, and free markets which have brought great modern advancements. As for the progressives, where I am looking it says that they want to eliminate the free market. They sound like socialists to me. At worst communists.
reece says2015-06-21T07:43:22.7898701-05:00
Link?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:46:50.0764580-05:00
Wikipedia.
reece says2015-06-21T07:48:03.6152997-05:00
I don't know what you typed in... Link? Copy the URL...
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:49:15.5018558-05:00
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism sorry.
reece says2015-06-21T07:51:56.5901799-05:00
"Progressivism sorry"?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:53:11.0113866-05:00
Ignore the sorry. I was apologizing for not giving the URL.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:53:31.8553876-05:00
Do not copy the sorry.
reece says2015-06-21T07:55:16.3364211-05:00
Yeah i read the top part of it. It doesn't say anything about getting rid of the free market. Can you tell me where it is?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T07:57:33.3966352-05:00
Look in From the Enlightenment to the Industrial Revolution.
reece says2015-06-21T08:00:10.0758499-05:00
They were talking about the hindrances...
reece says2015-06-21T08:06:07.4929431-05:00
So you're going to stick with being called a primitive?
mwedwards says2015-06-21T08:23:32.8378455-05:00
@reece: No I won't, and the hindrance in their minds was the free market. They thought that income inequality was bad, so they didn't like free markets.
mwedwards says2015-06-21T08:24:49.8253260-05:00
@reece: I have to go, but I hope to continue this discussion soon.
reece says2015-06-21T09:12:17.5508889-05:00
Yeah, primitives are against equality.
reece says2015-06-21T09:20:23.2194285-05:00
It says the the hindrances to the free market...
B0HICA says2015-06-21T15:14:10.0464222-05:00
@Reece: The question was about liberals. No one mentioned republicans or democrats. Also, ever hear of something called a RINO? Many CONSERVATIVE republicans also hate big business. Neither republicans or democrats run things anymore. It's the super rich who pull the strings. Many of them hate America. George Soros is a perfect example. Now. Look who get's money from him to run for office. Since Soros is a communist, I can safely say that anyone who takes his money is an enemy of the state. Wouldn't you agree?
B0HICA says2015-06-21T16:40:00.4505696-05:00
@Skyfish: "you mean like how conservatives want to control a woman's body, or allow corporations to over ride local and state laws if it impedes their profits.... You mean like that kind of control?" First of all, we don't want to control what a woman does with her body. A fetus is not part of her body. It is a separate life. And I assume you believe that these businesses should be taxed out existence. Liberals are pretty big on regulating businesses, including small businesses. This has stifled job growth. All those new jobs Obummer is bragging about? Do you know how many of them are low paying part time jobs. And fully one third of new jobs created were created in Texas. Obama had nothing to do with that. And just why do you believe that the government has any say about how much profit a company should make? They should let them make as much as they can. That way, the government has more money to steal from them to buy votes.
B0HICA says2015-06-21T18:09:10.2146477-05:00
@REECE: "Are you implying over 90% of the greatest minds in the world are evil?" Are you implying that 90% of the greatest minds are liberals? BWAHAHAHAHA! You should be a comedian.
reece says2015-06-21T20:50:25.2631052-05:00
Republicans often support the rich, more so than any other.
reece says2015-06-21T20:51:44.0058201-05:00
@B0HICA No, i'm talking about the left-wing in general. Why did you make the poll?...
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-06-21T21:55:15.5127946-05:00
This depends on your definition of "Evil". It also depends on whether your talking about citizens, politicians, or both. Liberal citizens you can't say much about because you don't know them all; don't generalize. Liberal politicians on the other hand seem to be unwilling to compromise, lack the character to follow through on deals made to conservatives, are selfish politically and personally, are ignorant enough to believe true "Evil" doesn't exist people are just misunderstood, waste our tax dollars, feel that giving people whatever they ask for is the best thing for the world, lie constantly, and blame everyone except themselves. 7 years in and still everything is Bush's fault. Where is the personal responsibility? I don't know about you guys but if I am given a task at work from someone else, it is MINE and my responsibility. From that point forward, every aspect of that task is my fault or to my credit, no one else's.
B0HICA says2015-06-21T22:43:35.1192481-05:00
@reece: Republicans don't support the rich. They support a free market economy. You do know the difference, don't you? And the latest census shows that there are more multi millionaire democrats in Congress than Republicans. So who's really the party of the super rich?
reece says2015-06-21T22:45:44.5393369-05:00
@B0HICA I highly doubt that. Link?
B0HICA says2015-06-21T23:00:51.1351711-05:00
@reece: Here's a list of organizations, how much they donated and to whom. There is also a link that shows the four richest congressmen are democrats. So. What was that you guys were saying about the Coch brothers? Http://www.Ijreview.Com/2014/02/116056-wall-street-bankers-top-donors-agree-democrat-party-new-party-rich/
reece says2015-06-21T23:41:12.8477416-05:00
@B0HICA Wow, looks like they don't want tax breaks.
Stefy says2015-06-22T18:29:37.4967791-05:00
No one is evil.
B0HICA says2015-06-22T18:35:50.0400862-05:00
@Stefy: So you're saying Hitler wasn't evil? How about a serial pedophile? How about someone who likes to torture people? Do you even believe in evil? I would have to say you don't.
Stefy says2015-06-23T08:12:03.8834839-05:00
BOHICA: Hello. Are you new to the site I've never seen you before. And yes, of course I believe in evil. But I don't believe in inherently evil people. I believe that when a person does evil things, or when evil is able to be done on a mass scale, all of society is to blame.
Stefy says2015-06-23T08:13:15.1838556-05:00
And i know where you're going with this. What I said does not take any blame off the people who did the actions, they will always be more to blame. But we cant ignore societys role in allowing evil to happen.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-23T12:04:33.7733553-05:00
"No one is evil." Fundamentally incorrect statement. Almost to the point of not making any sense at all.
Stefy says2015-06-23T12:53:27.1015022-05:00
Yeah it makes no sense because it sounds elementary of you dont read my explanationw hich you can agree with or disagree with. Take it or leave it. Thanks!
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-23T13:44:29.4524753-05:00
I stand by what I said. Society is not responsible for creating an environment where everyone is subdued and docile, so that no evil can be done else it's their fault. That is absolutely not their burden. Maybe thats part of the disparity here between liberals and conservatives ... There is no need for you to control the situation entirely and engineer a perfectly risk free environment for everyone. That is anti-freedom. It's not your responsibility or privilege to do any of that.
CentristX says2015-06-23T14:28:54.2602264-05:00
DEBATE!!!
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-23T14:44:15.3331390-05:00
Theres nothing to debate. It's not a privilege she or anyone else will ever have over me or mine. Straight up. It's just not happening.
debate_power says2015-06-23T14:45:39.6885285-05:00
Freedom, no one is objectively evil because whether something is evil or not is subjective.
debate_power says2015-06-23T14:47:49.1996201-05:00
As for liberals {always trying to be your moral better}, that's a generalization and I think that rational people should ignore it. I'm a liberal and I don't claim to be anyone's moral better because I don't subscribe to a system of morals, which I would view as unscientific.
Stefy says2015-06-23T14:57:40.1370157-05:00
FreedomBeforeEqualtiy: You dont have to force people to be good. You can have complete freedom and still encourage goodness. For example, teaching that something is wrong tends to work better than just having extremely harah punishment and strict laws. By the way i dint care what you stand by i stopped caring a long time ago. And i wasnt trying to change your mind i wasnt talking to you.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-23T15:00:07.9366591-05:00
You dont simply subscribe to moral systems ... It doesnt just go away because you decided not to believe in it. Hence it's not subjective.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T07:31:34.1486715-05:00
@Stefy Oh, if youre here then to just blast open statements and not have a conversation about the issues, maybe you should be doing that in your own personal blog?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T07:32:15.8482734-05:00
Then none of us have to read it.
Stefy says2015-06-24T08:15:07.6866174-05:00
1) i dont mind talking about the issues. I just font want to talk to you because you start being insulting and then i get mad and then everyone involved is just being mean. 2) i dont effing care if you read it. Seriously. Believe it or not my actions dont revolve around positive reception from from you. I typed it. Anyone can read it or not read it. Whatever. And if they do read it we can have an adult discussion. Me and you dont really mix well in political discussion.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T08:37:28.1227080-05:00
Thats a good reason to avoid people. Find people you agree with and get your group think on girl. I won't get in your way of that. Just saying, a debate forum seems like a bad place for you then.
reece says2015-06-24T08:48:23.6785146-05:00
EducationBeforeFreedom
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:10:28.1751852-05:00
Hmm ... So the uneducated should not have freedom? Is that your say? Its certainly not the stance of the democratic party or any other liberal I know.
reece says2015-06-24T09:28:05.0175087-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality No, i'm saying They would have less freedom just like there would be less equality if people had more freedom to do what they please. By attacking my statement you're actually attacking your own username.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:31:46.6665711-05:00
There is not less equality with more freedom. Its actually the other way around. Theres much more inequality were there less freedom to be had. You have to have freedom before you can have equality. You do not have to have education before you can have freedom.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:32:56.8801030-05:00
Freedom and equality are not two extremes of one another.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:33:16.1328734-05:00
They are not opposites.
reece says2015-06-24T09:37:30.0447744-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Okay, so I've got you on the defensive. I've already won. Where there is less freedom is where there is less education.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:38:05.8318626-05:00
Case in point ... If freedom was this measure of how far anyone could go with their will, then absolute freedom granted to everyone IS absolute equality. Youre granting everyone the absolute ability to carry out their will. Restricting freedom in certain areas restricts equality in kind, because certain people care about certain freedoms more than others. Restricting any is disenfranchising some people and hoisting others up. Thats inequality.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:38:45.2538207-05:00
Its not the same relationship, education.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:41:33.8462628-05:00
Im saying freedom and equality have a proportional relationship. Youre saying education has an inverse relationship. Relate the two please. Make your point.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:42:57.9162795-05:00
Because what im getting from this is that you think people who are for freedom are less educated than people who are for equality. And that stance isn't resonating with me.
reece says2015-06-24T09:46:29.4719478-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality It's in the same relationship. We primates are built to have hierarchy societies and better education means a more efficient society. This is how progress happens, this is how equality happens.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:49:21.8708631-05:00
Maybe you need to define equality then, as your definition of it differs from mine 5 post up ^
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:51:13.1478030-05:00
Education is the much more complicated and error ridden way of attempting to achieve equality. Absolute freedom is the 'Occam's Razor' method for having equality.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:52:07.0780401-05:00
Equality is simple ... People and their 'education' just complicate it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T09:53:44.8935347-05:00
You of all people shouldn't be preaching for efficiency. You don't even believe in morality or a prime objective. Efficiency shouldnt even exist in your vocabulary.
reece says2015-06-24T09:56:24.8056169-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality There is no such thing as absolutes, only in philosophical thought experiments. Morality should have nothing to do with this.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:02:33.7108905-05:00
It does if youre going to speak about efficiency. Efficiency to what end? You talk like its something good but you dont even believe in there being a need for that efficiency or a need to improve it. (going back to your thoughts on nature and the relationship between inanimate matter and humans)
reece says2015-06-24T10:02:42.5766849-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Equality for me is when a species becomes a hive mind.
reece says2015-06-24T10:06:17.8150304-05:00
Omfg. Matter tends to complexify.... That's what is moral to me, that's what feels right... The natural laws of the universe.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:07:57.6511200-05:00
I suppose you could have it there too (hive mind), if every person were inclined to be that way and be happy as that type of person. They are not all born that way however ... And you can still treat them all equally though by affording them the exact opposite of hive mind as well ... So long as every single one of them was given the exact same thing (freedom).
reece says2015-06-24T10:09:44.7896123-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality it will be encoded into their dna.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:10:38.7710184-05:00
As it stands, and with humans being as diverse as they are, freedom is the only way you can make equality amongst them. Hive mind cannot work here without countless years of inequality to breed that humanity out of them and make them into this hive mind you speak of.
reece says2015-06-24T10:12:10.5319830-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality all we have is time. Lol it isn't like we'll become a hive mind tomorrow.
reece says2015-06-24T10:14:43.6291629-05:00
It's a natural process. As technology progress the way we communicate becomes more coherent.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:15:20.7618773-05:00
"It will be encoded into their dna." And full of errors ... Leading to yet another generation of inequality. The other thing to take note of is the more you push equality artificially with these man-made methods like dna encoding, subliminal messaging, and 'education' you get more and more resistance to it. A generation of botched dna experiments is going to buck very very hard.
reece says2015-06-24T10:17:28.0421260-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality I think you can't comprehend a billion years of advancements in knowledge.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:18:57.1288399-05:00
And you can?
reece says2015-06-24T10:20:29.3356138-05:00
You just need to look at a few thousand years of history.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:24:33.8394771-05:00
"It's a natural process. As technology progress the way we communicate becomes more coherent." "it isn't like we'll become a hive mind tomorrow." There hasn't been any progress towards that end that would make me believe your hypothesis. If there were any indication of that happening I would be inclined to believe we were on the back end of this parabola we are riding. It would mean that the height of our complexity had already happened and we were reverting back to our root lifeforms (which were hive minds).
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:25:42.3196486-05:00
"You just need to look at a few thousand years of history" There are only a few thousand years of history in existence.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:27:48.2450727-05:00
To be clear though ... You are trying to make the case that ants are more complex than humans, right?
reece says2015-06-24T10:29:07.4089957-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Now you've resulted to being an imbecile. I don't want to talk to an idiot.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:29:16.1295634-05:00
Because if thats the case i'd have to contend then that what you think to be education and equality is degenerative to human complexity and is something negative, something immoral.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:36:55.5354591-05:00
"Now you've resulted to being an imbecile. I don't want to talk to an idiot." I don't want to hear about your freedom to choose who you do and don't want to talk to. Get with the hive. Start treating me as your equal. Don't want to huh? Thats why we wont ever end up like that.
reece says2015-06-24T10:41:20.1368286-05:00
Again, thousands, millions, billions of years of advancement. It won't be tomorrow or in our life time for that matter.
reece says2015-06-24T10:43:35.0785642-05:00
*facepalm* it's like talking to an 8 year old.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:54:13.9429092-05:00
Again ... No indication of that happening ... No trend ... No reason to believe we are headed that way in any amount of years. You have no data to support that projection.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T10:55:00.9934140-05:00
I think you consume a little too much sci-fi is all.
reece says2015-06-24T10:57:57.6980121-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Like i said "It's a natural process. As technology progress the way we communicate becomes more coherent." Do you know what what i mean? I'll explain it to you if you won't?
reece says2015-06-24T10:59:38.3031239-05:00
Want*
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T11:01:56.1953985-05:00
"Like i said "It's a natural process. As technology progress the way we communicate becomes more coherent." Do you know what what i mean? I'll explain it to you if you won't?" Are you talking about instant response times to said communication? Is that what youre getting at?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T11:03:36.7183109-05:00
If so, then yes. And no that is not more complex in nature. Delays between certain types of energy transfer/communication transfer what have you is far more complex a process.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T11:06:31.0570842-05:00
Youre comparing the complexity of ice to that of water. Ice being of course much less complex.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T11:06:58.2161874-05:00
Molecular-wise that is.
reece says2015-06-24T11:09:43.0039590-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Yeah, the more connected we become. And We will eventually shift outside of our biological bodies. I define complexity as the manipulation of oneself and oneself environment. The more complex something is, the more it can manipulate.
reece says2015-06-24T11:10:44.5541432-05:00
....Ones environment... *
reece says2015-06-24T11:18:09.8516210-05:00
The more potential one has to manipulate, i should say.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T11:39:48.1405757-05:00
Idk if I totally agree with that. Machines perform the same function ... Allowing a single entity to manipulate far beyond their normal bounds ... You dont need a team of humans working in unison to dig a hole in the ground that a back hoe could have done in half the time. Some teamwork is needed, sure. But on that scale youre talking about ... Its wasteful. There is no balance there. To that hive point again, I dont believe we will ever reach a point where every human mind is working at 100% capacity towards the good of the race all in unison ... Part of doing the work for the race is to make space for freetime. We make progress to cover our bases and make things easier so we no longer have to do that work. Quality of life isn't going to go away. People aren't advancing the world just so that we can have more time to work on the next biggest thing. For most people their purpose lies outside of what the rest of the human race wants at any given time. Work is just a means to an end ... It is not the end.
reece says2015-06-24T11:51:48.3642146-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality don't imagine a bunch of humans working in unison, imagine a giant conscious cloud of some form. This would be billions of years after we worked out immortality because of space and maybe dimensional exploration. The circumference of the earth wouldn't be compressing us to advance.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T12:59:49.3343936-05:00
Youre still referring to it as many minds though ... When all it has to be is one. It essentially is one. My point is though that you dont need multiple bodies all in different areas to have a precense there. That one mind could just as easily manipulate things everywhere at once without having multiple little drones amongst it. Drones in a swarm are wasteful in the sense that they must still perpetuate their own existence before they can even be of use to the one controlling them. They require maintenance. Finding a way to simply manipulate the energy there from one central point over here is still more efficient. Thats the way I would think things would lean at some point. Do you think drone swarms used in the military would matter at all if you could monitor just as thoroughly from one satellite or carry out surgical strikes just as easily and reliably from a central location. Is maintaining micro power generators in a billion homes more efficient than one central facility? Is it as reliable? Does it facilitate the ability to concentrate power where its needed when its needed? No.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T13:04:09.6770156-05:00
Simply put, if you have the kind of infrastructure in place to carry out that type of mass communication (in your case you are saying its some kind of biological infrastructure) wouldn't you also have progressed the infrastructure to move energy where needed beyond that of having to store it in a secondary drone type extension of yourself to be used? Wouldn't you just manipulate it centrally?
reece says2015-06-24T13:16:41.4282913-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality I have mind is one mind... I cbf reading the rest. I'm going to sleep.
reece says2015-06-24T13:17:16.8137721-05:00
Hive*
debate_power says2015-06-24T15:59:39.2901384-05:00
@Freedom Then what is the objective basis for objective morality?
debate_power says2015-06-24T16:00:39.6237541-05:00
I don't subscribe to any moral system. I have a choice to have morals or not (within our deterministic universe's restrictions) and I've taken it. I have only preferences, not morals.
Stefy says2015-06-24T17:17:09.6532222-05:00
FreedomBeofreEquality: I like to debate. And i dint surround myself by any means with people who agree with me by any means. I live in the Deep South which is extremely conservative and most of my friends are vocal and argumentative conservatives and i love them. However, they do not insult and condescend to those who disagree with them and they act like adults when discussing issues. I dont reveal my gender on this site dude...? Why girl? (just curious)
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:31:15.6288557-05:00
"Then what is the objective basis for objective morality?" The basis being those things that physically limit your ability to even experience life or form an opinion on the matter at all, death of course.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:41:33.3731405-05:00
@Stefy You just give off this girl vibe I suppose. Does that make me sexist or observant? I don't feel I insult anyone either. If they feel insulted by what ive taken from their statements then I think they should take a better look at what they are saying. What was it specifically that you felt insulted by? That I said it wasn't your privilege or responsibility to control people? Why would you be offended by that? Are you ashamed that it was a true statement or something? It was not an insult though ... Unless you actually believe it is your right to do those things ... Then I can see why you might be disappointed.
B0HICA says2015-06-24T21:44:55.4510705-05:00
Morals are not subjective for one simple reason. People disagree on what is moral and what isn't. When in doubt, ask yourself this one little question. How would I feel if someone did to me what I'm about to do to them? This is the very foundation of moral behavior. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. An example would be stealing someone's money. No one likes having their hard earned money stolen. Therefore stealing is immoral. You can apply this reasoning to any moral dilemma.
reece says2015-06-24T21:48:03.2474819-05:00
@B0HICA unless they wouldn't like you to do what you'd do to yourself. You're going by the old golden rule.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:50:58.7508569-05:00
I don't think that fully encompasses all that is moral ... But it is a good place to start. Often times it will keep you well within the boundaries of objective morality. It certainly helps keep you alive amongst other human beings in societies and such.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T21:53:28.5917384-05:00
@reece If you kill the very last person that disagrees with something everyone else agrees to be fine under the golden rule, then does that suddenly make everyone moral?
Forthelulz says2015-06-24T21:53:43.0688168-05:00
@Sophia13 So the people who are all for self-reliance, personal and political freedoms, and reduced taxation are evil? Something doesn't add up. I, for one, hate equality of results, because that means that all the effort I expended became moot, and the fruits of my labors given to someone whose risks didn't pay off, for example. Liberals, in all their forms, often blame another group for all the world's woes. Then, traditionally, one of their members invokes Godwin's Law on someone who dares disagree with them, ignoring the delicious irony of what happens when you compare ideologies.
reece says2015-06-24T21:55:34.6889633-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Where did that come from? I think you misread what i said.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:08:39.8657110-05:00
You seemed to be trying to doze B0HICA's idea of morality with the fact that an outlier or two can disagree with the golden rule and make something immoral by doing so. The question is open though not just to you but any other subjective morality types that care to answer.
reece says2015-06-24T22:12:41.2511045-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Yes i am saying that because not everyone likes to be treated the same.
reece says2015-06-24T22:15:31.6375811-05:00
The only way you could possibly discredit me is to appeal to an extreme which is intellectually dishonest.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:15:58.1945572-05:00
Im saying what does their brand of morality matter if they don't exist anymore?
reece says2015-06-24T22:17:39.7160441-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality It doesn't matter.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:22:05.6274293-05:00
So if death (i.E. Their non-existence) is the defining factor of what's moral and immoral then morality must be driven by those things that bring about non existence (objective). Making survival the only way to identify that which is morally good and live within its bounds.
reece says2015-06-24T22:26:23.0905088-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality non-existence is impossible. Energy only transforms. Memories of that person gets carried on. Morally The universe only goes in one direction, it just varies.
reece says2015-06-24T22:27:25.4761085-05:00
...In morality the universe...*
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-24T22:32:58.4957126-05:00
How do they get carried on if no one else cares to accept that thing they found immoral? Where does it go?
reece says2015-06-24T22:37:36.1186514-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality Do we really have to dub into Neuroplasticity? It's pretty simple. A memory is only an effect.
Stefy says2015-06-24T23:17:11.1863249-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality: Lol no biggie ot diesnt make sexist or observant or anything. I wasnt trying to make a point I was just curious. Still not telling if you were right or not. I dont know why i just dont really like to reveal anything to personal on the internet. And i dont recall trying to control anyone. I dont have a problem with you you seem like a cool guy or whatevs. Its just I hate devating with you because you get really passionate which is cool but then when you get oassionate you turn it into a personal argument. (youre kinda condescending) I have a tendency to do the same and others sort if keep me in check. (im a little rude) When you put me and you together in a debate it just doesnt work dude. Its just like why does everything have to be a personal attack?
Stefy says2015-06-24T23:18:04.7214870-05:00
I just want to get along. Truce?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:37:27.2271578-05:00
I just take everything personal because everything people state they want want want on this site ends up having to do with changing law, social policy, or amending the constitution, which in turn affects me. It'd be awesome if they could just live their lives in their own little corner and stop enacting blanket reforms on everyone in their struggle through life. But sure, truce.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-25T08:40:33.5579436-05:00
"Do we really have to dub into Neuroplasticity? It's pretty simple. A memory is only an effect." That doesnt mean any energy released at death will ever turn into a memory or moral in anyone else ever again. That persons memories might die with them and never reconstitute in any semblance of that moral ever again. Energy and matter might carry on ... Their thoughts and morality and whatever else will not.
Stefy says2015-06-25T15:37:44.6083236-05:00
Yaaaay truce! I made a friend!
John9514 says2015-12-15T17:17:01.2980367Z
When I really think about it, this basically comes down to human nature. Think about it...
Debating_Horse says2018-07-11T16:30:25.0266901Z
Let us not stereotype a group based on the actions of others, the time is now to be rational.
skykidxt says2018-10-24T05:32:27.0857594Z
When was the last time a conservative beat the shit out of a police officer or threatened the life of a president?

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