Are vaccinations a gateway drug?

Posted by: reece

Fact: 10/10 children that are vaccinated will eventually do something wrong in their lives. Fact: 10/10 children that are vaccinated may struggle with certain subjects in school. Fact: 10/10 children who are vaccinated will eventually encounter someone that has used or currently uses the marijuana's.

  • Of course it is.

  • *facepalm* i don't know where to start.

17% 4 votes
83% 19 votes
  • I don't agree with the yes but I just felt like going against the grain. It is weird how the website in the picture seems to be a troll forums.

  • Nearly all drug addicts start with cookies, COOKIES ARE A GATEWAY DRUG, HOLY CRAP!

  • I got addicted to the polio vaccination in 2013. I now have polio.

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reece says2015-04-24T19:21:00.4041834-05:00
http://cdn2.mommyish.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11044618_1675330549360870_5199910989538201784_n.jpg
PetersSmith says2015-04-24T19:23:14.7134820-05:00
We should make breathing illegal too. Fact: everyone who breathes has died. Coincidence? I think not.
TBR says2015-04-24T19:24:00.4997755-05:00
Nice.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T19:54:41.1860422-05:00
Weird. If you go to the site in the picture, it looks like a troll forums.
reece says2015-04-24T20:02:46.8499093-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Why is it weird? I wouldn't be surprised if it is.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T20:46:28.8046952-05:00
I believe the image was made by people trying to make a fake anti-vaccine image to poke fun at people who are against mandatory vaccines. I wonder why you would promote such a false image.
triangle.128k says2015-04-24T21:31:51.0533454-05:00
I don't support mandatory vaccines but anti-vaxxers are doing a disgrace to everyone. They are refusing perfectly safe vaccination over some stupid celebrity saying vaccines are bad. They are helping to increase the chance of diseases spreading.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T21:37:08.4529800-05:00
I just find this poll misleading. It gives a statement that wasn't even made by anti-vaccinators, but by people pretending to be anti-vaccinators. If you are going to disagree with someone, at least use what they say instead of some false parody.
TBR says2015-04-24T21:51:46.2082066-05:00
Mathgeekjoe - Its a joke. You are putting in too much thought.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-24T21:57:23.0828363-05:00
Hmm good joke, it isn't like the average person who visited this poll didn't think that was some anti-vaccination statement. Bottom line is that this poll is misleading.
reece says2015-04-25T03:48:22.6969627-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe There is no such thing as a false image. Would you agree there are still people that think of vaccinations like this? If so, who gives a crap what the original purpose of the image was.
reece says2015-04-25T03:51:40.5294155-05:00
I will destroy you at every corner.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T16:36:51.7777950-05:00
Doesn't destruction seem like an over reaction? Anyways, I haven't met anyone who believe vaccines cause drug use.
debate_power says2015-04-25T16:38:33.6682113-05:00
Me neither.
Varrack says2015-04-25T16:41:15.4135597-05:00
What mathgeekjoe is trying to say is that this poll is strawmanning the anti-vax position. But it's still humorous.
debate_power says2015-04-25T16:43:24.3878694-05:00
I realized that, Varrack, and I think reece is more inclined to elicit laughs with this poll than to make an actual political statement.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T16:45:50.8239452-05:00
Wouldn't the double facepalm have been better?
debate_power says2015-04-25T16:46:36.4799962-05:00
Than what?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T16:47:04.3911120-05:00
The single facepalm.
reece says2015-04-25T17:05:44.6604506-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe No, it's the logic they use. You know how they think autism is connected to vaccinations.
debate_power says2015-04-25T17:06:42.7243950-05:00
Hmm... Arguably, the double facepalm would be more impressive.
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:26:07.1684190-05:00
This is genius, it's mocking the gateway drug theory and anti-vaxxers at the same time.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T17:26:46.1394232-05:00
Marijuana is a gateway drug, proven from recent research.
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:28:09.3976906-05:00
The statistics may say marijuana users usually move on to hard drugs. However, terrorists and serial killers start by owning a gun. Is owning a gun necessarily bad?
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:28:45.3561516-05:00
It's not marijuana that drives them to drugs. They have the drive to do hardcore drugs originally somehow, they just start mild and work their way up.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T17:30:12.5768698-05:00
By taking marijuana, you become more likely to move to harder drugs. That is the definition of a gateway drug.
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:30:58.2228839-05:00
Well that's only if you really believe in that gateway drug theory nonsense.
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:31:41.1435847-05:00
There's no such thing as a gateway drug. Unless the drug somehow alters your mind to give you the drive to do hard drugs.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T17:33:05.4571472-05:00
You do know the difference between more likely and guaranteed right?
triangle.128k says2015-04-25T17:34:57.1568136-05:00
Arguably, marijuana doesn't make you "more likely." Like the reasoning I mentioned earlier, if someone is going to do hardcore drugs, they are obviously going to start small and work their way up.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T17:36:24.0288417-05:00
I am not merely talking statistically, the effects of marijuana makes someone more likely to move to something harder.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T17:37:13.1582618-05:00
Marijuana increases impulsive behavior which makes someone more likely to move to a harder drug.
reece says2015-04-25T18:01:24.6944710-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe You're not talking statistically? So all you have is a claim? I was going to ask if you could show the statistics of US states that have legalized it and the correlation to what you've been saying. Because we would obviosly see and increase of other drugs too. You fall right into the christian stereo type.
reece says2015-04-25T18:01:42.3780024-05:00
Obviously*
reece says2015-04-25T18:02:02.9101290-05:00
An*
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:02:35.3473610-05:00
I meant research into marijuana effects shows its ability to cause impulsive behavior.
reece says2015-04-25T18:04:27.2948120-05:00
To do harder drugs?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:07:20.0670270-05:00
Impulsive behavior leads to a higher likelihood of using harder drugs.
reece says2015-04-25T18:08:06.4620218-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Can you show anything for that?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:09:24.6614634-05:00
Show that impulsive behavior increases likeliness to move to hard drugs or that marijuana increases impulsive behavior?
reece says2015-04-25T18:13:42.8491344-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe hmm both. I'm just interested in where you're coming from. If anything the higher likelihood of them doing harder drugs would be because of social implications.
reece says2015-04-25T18:14:47.4109464-05:00
The illegal underworld and such.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:17:24.9803822-05:00
Well marijuana causes impulsive behavior source http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131028100938.htm
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:23:17.5794659-05:00
An impulsive brain can cause drug use. Source http://www.livescience.com/19962-teen-drug-abuse-impulsive-brain.html
reece says2015-04-25T18:33:30.8667652-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe I'm not surprised with them. But the second link has nothing to do with the increased likeliness of doing harder drugs via cannabis.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:34:22.7530304-05:00
A cause B. B causes C. So A causes C.
reece says2015-04-25T18:35:24.3114196-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Break it down for me...
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:37:25.9461790-05:00
Marijuana causes impulsive behavior. People with impulsive brains are more likely to use drugs. Marijuana causes a condition that increases the likelihood of using harder drugs. Since marijuana use increases the likelihood of harder drug use, it is a gateway drug.
reece says2015-04-25T18:42:02.4441238-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe The second link was only about teen brain developmental and how they had less control when trying drugs in general. Cannabis had nothing to do with being a gateway drug.
reece says2015-04-25T18:45:01.4903136-05:00
Are you trying to deceive me? Because you know you'll just end up like a jack@$$
reece says2015-04-25T18:47:06.8664266-05:00
Development*
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:50:52.6793216-05:00
"Are you trying to deceive me?" Why on earth would I be trying to deceive you? Anyways, try explain how an impulsive brain doesn't cause the same thing as impulsive behavior.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T18:56:31.4668108-05:00
*try to explain
reece says2015-04-25T19:00:12.5152802-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Because people only start to decisive and turn around the burden of proof when they run out of moves for a rational conversation. Are you going to give me a link to how cannabis is a gate way drug or not? I will explain after you try to prove yourself .
reece says2015-04-25T19:02:50.4415309-05:00
Or do you revoke your claim?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T19:25:50.3914150-05:00
I do not revoke my claim. You seem to need a study that directly searches whether A causes C. I don't believe this is needed how ever because there is evidence A causes B, and B causes C. By logic, A causes C. You seem to accept that marijuana causes impulsive behavior but you fail to see how impulsive behavior causes harder drug use. I can't understand how you fail to see this so I am asking to explain how and impulsive brain does not cause the exact same thing as impulsive behavior.
reece says2015-04-25T19:35:56.0596637-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Okay lets rationalize with each other then. Do you think alcohol causes impulsive behavior?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T19:38:13.8563979-05:00
I am going to save you the trouble of continuing with that logic. I was actually expecting you to ask that question a long time ago. Anyways, alcohol and tobacco are both gateway drugs. They fit the definition.
reece says2015-04-25T19:43:38.1943307-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe so they lead to heroin, meth, etc
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T19:45:28.0973136-05:00
Correct.
reece says2015-04-25T19:46:51.6051842-05:00
Are you assuming they would be connected?
reece says2015-04-25T19:51:15.3944569-05:00
It's the same sort of logic as the picture. I think you do actually agree with your choice of picking yes.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T19:53:57.9342279-05:00
No, there are actual studies that shows that alcohol and tobacco increase likelihood of stronger drug use. I would have to look for them though.
reece says2015-04-25T19:57:15.7535860-05:00
Look for how cannabis is a gateway drug too.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T20:31:26.6289414-05:00
You seem to have trouble understanding that marijuana is a gateway drug. Is this just mere denial or is it some conspiracy belief that the anti-marijuana campaign is making up the evidense?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T20:31:43.8252994-05:00
*evidence
reece says2015-04-25T20:58:51.6421455-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Are you going to show the studies you said there are and rationalize with me or are you just going to make ad hominem attacks? I've tried to get you to link me relevant stuff at the beginning but you wanted to reason (which was okay.) then you changed your mind and wanted to show me some other studies which you have failed to present. I'm getting tired of this.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T21:20:28.2012044-05:00
I gave you the study on marijuana's impulsive behavior. Impulsive behavior causes people to make rash decisions, such as drug use. I even gave one study that showed that an impulsive brain of teenagers causes them to increase drug use. There is also a wealth of statistical evidence that shows marijuana users as more likely than non-marijuana users to use harder drugs. Now the only counter the pro-marijuana campaign has to this is that it is possible that people who would use hard drugs anyways. Now why should I take their possible explanation over the explanation that agrees with marijuana's effects?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-25T21:20:50.3089714-05:00
Try to give me evidence that marijuana isn't a gateway drug.
dillydol says2015-05-04T11:40:28.6256894-05:00
What the what!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IN THE DAM BLAZES IS GOING ON IN THE REED POST. Forgive the language.

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