Are you for or againist the death penalty?

Posted by: dietorangesoda

I'm for however i cant argue the fact that many men on death row haven been found innocent sometimes too late

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reece says2014-07-09T22:10:07.0710498-05:00
Irreverent_god : “Take a moment to think about the context in which your next decision will occur: You did not pick your parents or the time and place of your birth. You didn't choose your gender or most of your life experiences. You had no control whatsoever over your genome or the development of your brain. And now your brain is making choices on the basis of preferences and beliefs that have been hammered into it over a lifetime - by your genes, your physical development since the moment you were conceived, and the interactions you have had with other people, events, and ideas. Where is the freedom in this? Yes, you are free to do what you want even now. But where did your desires come from?” ― Sam Harris, Free Will
Formerland1 says2014-07-09T22:14:26.0730175-05:00
That doesn't change the fact that they killed them . If we used the above quote in any situation nobody is ever guilty. Do what they kille 28 people it was thier genes hat made them do it . They are still a burden on scocioty that could kill countless others ( after the first kill i t only would get easier ).
reece says2014-07-09T22:16:49.6059826-05:00
Formerland1: And i agree with that :) but i just wanted to give you guys a new perspective..
reece says2014-07-09T22:26:19.9461876-05:00
I just hope soon there will be a devise that can look for faulty Genes in a newborns DNA..
reece says2014-07-09T22:34:11.1434627-05:00
Formerland1: Also the word guilty shouldn't exist..
irreverent_god says2014-07-09T22:38:18.5750123-05:00
I see no connection between my desires and the choice to take a human life. Further, the fact that genetics have created the physiology of what I am, the emotional infrastructure and psychology of who/what I am is completely independent of any genetics. While predispositions may be influenced by genetics, none of what you have attempted to imply relieves one who chooses to murder of their accountability. I'm sorry, but your "logic" fails, completely. It's one thing to be compassionate and a pacifist. It's another matter, entirely, to be a stupid bleeding heart. Until and unless you have experienced the death of a loved one, at the hands of a murderer, being "compassionate" with a murderer is tantamount to being "generous" with someone else's money...
onemanitoban says2014-07-09T22:47:17.0723382-05:00
Unfortunately, some murders will never be rehabilitated. Those who murder in cold blood don't deserve compassion anyways, but that's a separate issue. I'm for the death penalty because it keeps the rest of society safe. If someone with a mental illness goes on a murdering spree, they've proven their condition makes them capable of killing. Some will say "with the right drugs they'll get better", et cetera. But mental illness never goes away. They will need those drugs for the rest of their lives to prevent them from killing again. So what will happen if that person stops taking their drugs, goes AWOL with their check ups, or escapes prison? Now they are loose in the general population, with a condition that makes them capable of killing. To me, the death penalty isn't a question of ethics, but rather what will keep the rest of society safest.
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-09T22:53:22.4721115-05:00
I crave.. No lust for the feel of breaking bones. I want to hear my victim's screams as I slowly take their lives. Turns out it's a family thing. My mother and grandmother have hammered it into my head that I am never to take a life without reason. Said reason being limited to an extreme need of self defense, or protecting a loved one. They've also allowed me to take the steps needed to join the security forces of our country. Killers are killers. Some of us are born. Some of us are made. The choice to kill is just that. A choice. A choice has consequences. Coming from someone who has had a high bloodlust their entire life, parents often help prevent tragedies. To take a life is to put your own on the line. The death penalty is just collecting on that wager.
reece says2014-07-09T22:56:43.5405115-05:00
Rreverent_god :hahaha really now! Obviously you know nothing about genetics.Epigenetics is how your psychology relates to what i'm "implying". I think you have an emotional inequality with your past.You're the one not being logical/rational.Take this for example..If a crocodile tried to bite off my hand,i wouldn't want that animal to suffer or die because of it, it's in his nature.Now replace the crocodile with a man holding an axe. Please watch this video before you debate me
YamaVonKarma says2014-07-09T22:57:40.6222277-05:00
I'd walk away with a new pair of boots.
irreverent_god says2014-07-09T23:57:08.3326412-05:00
Reece: I have seen that video. I am a huge fan of all the Horsemen. As a matter of fact, I was a fan of most of the Horsemen before you hit puberty... However, Sam's thoughts on free will are not the absolute authority on how genetics may or may not govern our decisions. The genetics of psychology is currently an unprovable thing, much like the existence of any gawd. While you are correct in that I am not formally educated in epigenetics, I do understand that the field is still very young, and has not established any concrete connections between genetics and an absolute lack of free will. Heritable traits are one thing, kid (and yes, I do mean KID), but completely absolving an human being for the decision to take another human life. I know it's really exciting to be in college and start regurgitating all of the profound "truths" you are learning from your professors, but attempting to condescend to your elders and intellectual/experiential superiors superiors is not the way to attempt to 'give a different perspective' to which people will be willing to listen. Don't lose your zest for learning, and I'm not trying to criticize your idealism. However, the fact that we, as a species, are capable of legislating ethics/morality si what separates us from the crocodiles in your example, previously. While killing is in a crocodile's nature, that crocodile kills for ONLY one reason: to survive. Have you ever taken note of the fact that it's only "murder" when the victim is another human? Killing a cow and making steaks is not considered murder. You cannot equate the human concept of murder with the necessity to eat is an extremely sophomoric attempt to try to make your case, conveniently. Go experience a little bit of life, first, kid. Then come back and lecture me on what you have leared, on your own, through some type of experience rather than youtube videos (LOL)... In essence, your ideology would completely nullify the validity of everything we hold ethically dear, and law (legislation) would be a complete waste of time. Think some more, kid. Eventually, you'll get there.
reece says2014-07-10T00:38:26.2562683-05:00
Irreverent_god :LoL i apologize i don't do big debates...I have dyslexia,aspergers and ADD,it would be Olympus Mons to climb, Everything you've said about me is wrong.I'm more than happy to debate but could we break it down..?
reece says2014-07-10T01:04:23.1684210-05:00
Irreverent_god: To the last point you said.. We will have to dip into the study of psycholinguistics, semantics and the evaluation of the English language, etc to get to the truth of how there being no freewill well affect the human psyche/ethics..
irreverent_god says2014-07-10T01:04:58.9573810-05:00
Reece: Quite the little trifecta of ailments you have going, there... We can debate as you wish. I'm off to bed, for the moment, as I must wake early for work. If you wish to set up a debate and issue a challenge, you're more than welcome to do so. I'd gladly accept your invitation. Just PM me the details, and where this debate is located. I'll respond, tomorrow. Good night.
Formerland1 says2014-07-10T01:05:48.1441810-05:00
My genetics say that I could become the worlds ultimate killing machine ( I could practically be Kahn .) But may situation never required me to home skills i was inherently good at , than not using them enough fell behind ( not in academics I always practiced that one ). So I have not gone on a murder spree . My low emotional response weapons skill and quick intellect as well as intense planning I could carry out any number of murders but I don't because its wrong . That is a choice I made I choose to not kill people and people who do kill people can choose too .
reece says2014-07-10T01:22:56.4988989-05:00
Irreverent_god: Okay :)
reece says2014-07-10T01:23:10.9288989-05:00
Formerland1: where do you think "choice" derives from?
Formerland1 says2014-07-10T23:52:28.2359681-05:00
Enviormental stimulus .
Formerland1 says2014-07-10T23:54:02.7425354-05:00
Free will in essence doesn't exist but if we use that as an exude for wrong doings everyone will get a victim complex .
reece says2014-07-10T23:54:25.6107608-05:00
Does that require freewill?
reece says2014-07-10T23:59:33.0711608-05:00
Nothing is wrong with a victim complex..We just need better systems in place to avoid harmful incidences. I can admit the world isn't ready for it..
Formerland1 says2014-07-11T01:44:42.4701670-05:00
Obviously avoiding it in the first place is better , but we need incentive for people to not commit the crime .
reece says2014-07-11T21:04:23.0876465-05:00
Genetic modification is better. We'll still have the illusion of freewill ;)
irreverent_god says2014-07-12T08:42:59.8136483-05:00
Reece: While I agree with Sam as to whether or not we are in control of the next thought we have (we are not), I am in full control over the actions I take based on the thoughts that I have. The choice to act is absolutely an act of volition. Volitional choice of conduct is what makes the death penalty a must for crimes that are purely destructive. Destruction of life indicates a lack of respect for life. Lack of respect removes the merit of respect for the one with the lack. Balance.
reece says2014-07-12T08:52:26.7420942-05:00
I have asked Formerland1 this question and now i'm gonna ask you. What is choice based on?
Formerland1 says2014-07-19T11:01:56.4428679-05:00
Choice is based in genetics ( I already knew that long before this poll) but it most certainly is not an excuse .
reece says2014-07-19T11:08:28.7592123-05:00
Formerland1: It obviously can't be an excuse with the system we have runing right now.

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