Roe v. Wade, irrespective of anyone's views on Abortion, is an illegitimate ruling that fabricated a "constitutional" protection nearly 200 years after the fact subverting the laws of nearly every state in the country. The extremist left in America sidestepped state elections and the entire democratic process of ratifying a constitutional amendment resorting to a judicial fiat by 7 lawyers referred to as "Blackmun's abortion." It is intellectually dishonest and deceptive to call the pro-abortion proponents "pro-choice" when clearly they militate against Democratic decisions and generally oppose choices ranging from owning a firearm, choosing the school your children attend, using tobacco products, collecting rainwater, who you employ, purchasing health insurance, among many others.
Well reece, when you strip away the semantical distortions the pro-Abortion side needs red herrings like this to avoid climbing Mount Improbable on the way to stripping nearly 1 million a year of their human rights by snuffing them out in a tidy, innocuous clinic. I would have imagined that you would have relegated war casualties to the late-term abortion realm albeit they at least have a fighting chance. And just like that...Poof! Your attempt to claim some sort of moral high ground just vanished.
Actually reece, this argument falls under the fallacy colloquially known as "apples and oranges" or drawing comparisons between events or sets of circumstances that seem to share a common denominator but are in fact distinct from one another by virtue of having occurred during different time periods, in different places, under different socio-economic conditions, to different groups of people, etc., can lead to the incorrect assumption that, just because something is true under one set of circumstances, it will necessarily hold true for all circumstances of a similar sort. The act of making such comparisons is sometimes referred to as "comparing apples and oranges."(1) as a sperm cell is not a fetus one of the main differences being that a sperm cell only contains the haploid number of chromosomes and is as a result, not human. As opposed to the fetus which contains the diploid number of chromosomes and as such, has a complete human genome.
YOU consider it. There were also people who considered blacks not to be "human". How about we try to follow real evidence instead of opinion? Every cell that is part of your body is "human", however they are not "a human". The path of a human life is simple. Zygote->embryo->baby->toddler->youth->teenager->adult->elderly. At every point along that path of life you are one whole organism. The only difference is age.
True the poll is not scientific. You chose to push your opinion in the comments. The scientific perspective is that which can be shown by science. Embryology is this case. So I can reference embryology texts: "Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]
I can quote eminent members of the genetic sciences:
"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [It] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...It is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception."
Dr. Jerome LeJeune
Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes
A sperm is a specialized human cell known as a gamete. It contains only one half of the regular pair of chromosomes (haploid cell) and is designed to combine with the corresponding female gamete (ova). The typical lifespan of a sperm is 3-5 days.
1. The cosmos is not sperm. 2. The cosmos is not alive. 3. The cosmos acutally builds nothing. All matter and energy in the cosmos was present at the moment of the Big Bang. Everything is merely the intermediary processes of reaching the lowest possible energy state.
A human is any organism which is a member of the Animalia Kingdom, Chordata Phylum, Mammalia Class, Primates Order, Haplorhini Suborder, Hominidae Family, Homo Genus, H. Sapiens Species - or shorthand Homo Sapiens.
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/wdhbb.html there you go Mharman. A link from a reliable source that shows that a human must have a full genome. At least I think that's what he was asking you to link.
Lol. Now I know you are desperate. It is morally equivalent to break a rock as to run you over with my car. The cosmos is a term that describes the totality of matter present within existence. To say all matter is in the cosmos is distinctly different than to discuss the identity of the parts that make up the cosmos. The cosmos is bacteria because there are bacteria in the cosmos. I brushed my teeth this morning, I killed the cosmos thousands of times! Wait I am the cosmos! I'm guilty of mass suicide!
That is a logical rebuttal, but you are apparently short on logic. I'll simplify it. I cannot say that I am a cell, since inside of me there are many cells. I cannot say the universe is a star even though it is made up of many stars. It is basic philosophy - the law of identity: A is A. http://www.importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html
No you're not. Those are traits or characteristics of the whole. A tree is not leaves, even if it does have leaves. A car is not a break pedal even if it does have a break pedal. You are not feces because inside of you there is feces. Two thing that have significantly differing characteristics are not the same thing.
And the cosmos and a sperm have different characteristics. Therefore they are not the same. It is the logical fallacy of false equivalence. It basically states because two objects share some attribute that they are thus the same.
Let's make this one more step of concrete. You would thus argue that there is nothing immoral about flushing sperm down the toilet. By the logic you've been presenting you too are sperm because sperm is a part of you. Thus it should be perfectly legal to flush you down the toilet. This is the logical conclusion to the argument you've presented here.
Pro-choice is not "proper terminology." It's a semantical distortion. Then he flips back to red herrings about the cosmos after reaching into the pro-Abortion toolbox trying to dehumanize the victim. He isn't capable of logical consistency and his side doesn't have an argument.
Reece, by all means, don't let me interfere with the amusement of games but perhaps someone could just buy you an Xbox for Christmas. Pro-abortion is not necessarily the same as the voluntary extinction movement. At any rate, maybe VHEMT could adopt the slogan "It's never too late for an Abortion" and start with themselves.
"Then it is not an inherent right, but something granted by government. That which is granted can be revoked."
"This means that you would effectively have no rights"
Nope, that doesn't follow.
Would have no inherent rights, yes, but would have rights that are granted by society, or in practice, the Government.
Those are not rights, but social conventions. It would effectively mean that the way that North Korea treats its citizens is just as just as the way Britain treats its citizens. It also means that you have no real right to defy whichever authority is in place because there are not inherent rights. So peoples that revolt against tyranny have no legitimate authority to do so because they are contravening the whichever established rules and rights (or lack thereof) exist.
However, if inalienable rights do exist, one becomes fully justified to assert ones rights even if the governing authority refuses to properly recognize them.
Before 26th week, No women should be kept slave to her body. If she does not want it she should be able to abort.
From 26th week, if the pregnancy is medically dangerous to the mother, she still must have the right to abort.
I'm pro choice.
1. Foster homes
I am not alright with murder.
It is alive (it's growing and understands it's surroundings to an extent)
It is human (needless to say a rhinoceros won't pop out, has all human chromosomes)
And it is it's own body (although it requires nourishment, it's DNA is it's ow).
It is not a parasites. Parasites naturally need to feed off of others at a fully developed state. Fetuses fully developed are humans, and therefore are human themselves.