Are you for public healthcare?

Posted by: stargate

Poll closed on 9/23/2015 at 6:30AM.
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Yes I am for public healthcare.

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tajshar2k says2015-09-12T20:07:03.7222552Z
Stargate what are you against public healthcare.
stargate says2015-09-12T21:13:48.0339237Z
I am against the taxation pf people to let them have this free/public healthcare. People work hard for there money, yet to pay for that the money has to come from somewhere. You know where? The tax payers are who, I am sorry but I can not say that I support it. If they can not afford healthcare then that falls on them. This system of force us to pay for them brings us down even more. Those people are usually not good with money, usually never went to college to help themselves get a good paying job. I understand why you support it, but as long as we the tax payers are forced to pay for there healthcare then I can not in good faith say I support it. If I want to give money to the poor and to help them with healthcare then I would give money to a charity, but instead we get tax increases because they can not pay for there own healthcare.
tajshar2k says2015-09-12T22:32:06.1259198Z
You do realize, that people are born into poverty, and that sometimes they can't afford to pay. The price of procedures in the U.S are so damn expensive, that it will put a middle-class citizen in debt. If you needed a heart operation, it will easily cost 100k, and that would be enough to put anybody in debt.
stargate says2015-09-12T22:36:06.7915822Z
Yeah, I understand where you are coming from. But I simply will not support it, I am sorry. Here is why it forces money out of tax payers putting mlre stress on them. Increase the amount of money you pay to taxs making the area being more expensive and not in a good way. Makes the government spead more leading to higher amounts of dept.
stargate says2015-09-12T22:36:58.7555153Z
I will not support it due to the fact it takes more money from us the tax payers. Yes healthcare in expensive, but you need to balance it all out.
TBR says2015-09-12T23:53:11.7346758Z
Don't go bombing the world into peace, and the paying for it would be no big deal.
tajshar2k says2015-09-12T23:53:29.4099290Z
I respect your opinion. But, me personally, I can't stand to watch somebody die because they can't pay to get help. I believe that everybody should have the right to healthcare, but thats just me.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:13:08.2541550Z
@TBR I never said bomb the whole world. I said and it isn't on this poll that we should resume the gobal war on terror, along with attack a bunch of dictatorships for crimes against humanity.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:14:23.1360750Z
What I think is instead of forceing us to hand over our money. If we want we can give it to a charity that helps those people.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:15:22.5423982Z
@stargate - OK. Cut the military by meager amounts, and pay for healthcare. The actual people paying taxes. And ALL people living in the country pay taxes! All of them. Even all those dummies that don't get degrees, or born to the right parents.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:15:30.1397930Z
Wow I am just being out voted here. To be honest I though it would be a little more even.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:17:46.7056946Z
Because alot of people don't want people to die.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:18:50.2149230Z
Die from not being able to pay a bill.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:19:16.5951994Z
@TBR No just no, one we shouldn't cut the military. Two we do tax everyone ot is just a flat tax. Also no yhere shouldn't be a progressive tax(just in case you bring it up). If we do that it just nickels and dimes the population, that makes it so less power to spend. Less peoppe buying means an economic slow down. Also that weaken out military makes us weaker and weakens the nations we protect.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:19:57.8894582Z
Ya, and you can't expect charity to fill in the gap, because it's millions of people, and people aren't naturally generous.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:20:48.9963686Z
"No just no, one we shouldn't cut the military." - Why not. We are spending a lot more than anyone else, and can't even keep our own people healthy.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:20:57.0171039Z
They will not die, well most likely they will not. But you can live on private healthcare ps private healthcare is usually provided by the company you work at.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:21:51.7411774Z
"Two we do tax everyone ot is just a flat tax." - Have no idea what this point was, but everyone pays taxes. EVERYONE!
stargate says2015-09-13T00:22:22.9268546Z
@TBR We are one of the most healthy nations out there, in terms of death rate and how long you live.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:22:57.3876606Z
Basically, your letting somebody die, because it's not your problem. Technically, it is not your problem but my morals (this is coming from an atheist) tell me that we should help people.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:23:26.7008122Z
"Also no yhere shouldn't be a progressive tax(just in case you bring it up). If we do that it just nickels and dimes the population, that makes it so less power to spend. Less peoppe buying means an economic slow down. Also that weaken out military makes us weaker and weakens the nations we protect." - Again, I have no idea. What are you saying? A progressive tax reduces spending? Then the military bit. What?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:24:36.9026122Z
Actually, we are ranked 38th, yet we spend the most out of anybody. It's not helping anybody.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:24:43.7511878Z
@stargate - You seem to want to care about the suffering of everyone BUT your neighbor.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:25:44.9047558Z
So, you want to fund a military to kill people abroad, but you don't want to help fellow Americans?
stargate says2015-09-13T00:25:56.7886255Z
@TBR If our military keeps on getting cut then we will have to pull back. By the way we have some sort of defense pacts with the folling nations, most if not all of north america, most if not all of south america, all NATO nations, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, philippian.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:27:18.5695574Z
@stargate Actually, a lot of our defense spending is spent on useless things such as military bases in other countries.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:27:26.4268001Z
A progressive tax means it increases based on your income.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:28:22.6339604Z
Sigh I am fine with helping my fellow americans. But I am not fine with us being forced to it should only be a option.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:28:31.6574314Z
@triangle You are pro public healthcare now?
stargate says2015-09-13T00:30:15.2042820Z
@TBR You really do not get it do you? I care it is just I do not want it foced on us, if I saw a criminal attack someone or threaten someone I would try to help to matter the danger. I care just in a different way, I also slove it in a different way.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:30:58.5351974Z
@stargate - 1) I know what a progressive tax is, I have no idea what you are objecting to. 2) Our military spending is well past the need to "protect" allies. 3) You still are not addressing why you care about spending HUGE amounts of money "protecting" someone in the M.E., and denying any help to someone living in your own town - other than they are dirty people who did not bother to get a degree.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:31:03.7457310Z
Stargate, If that were the case, people wouldn't be dying in America, and our healthcare system would be so frickin bad. It's not just about paying, the whole system is fragmented.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:32:02.5124378Z
I am fine woth there being less expensive private healthcare, but I do not want us to heave public healthcare.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:33:37.6623798Z
Stargate, why do we have taxes then? We pay taxes for our roads, so if people don't use the roads, should they say I want people to privatize the roads? How silly does that sound? Same with healthcare.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:34:16.3326690Z
Why? Or, why not?
stargate says2015-09-13T00:35:25.2874697Z
The healthcare is not any better, it is just free due to us paying for it. I know I will be hit with comments left and right. But I will stand by what I say and what I believe. Dose that make in evil maybe, but no one is prefect. Though I will say one thing, if this was the congress then I just got out vpted and the bill for public healthcare pasted.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:36:02.5093083Z
"I am fine woth there being less expensive private healthcare" Im pretty sure most people would like things cheap, not more expensive. Its not something people are "fine" with. The problem is, that thats pretty much impossible.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:36:23.5694433Z
Sigh, it is really not the same as roads the two can not be compared.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:38:50.6939864Z
I am sorry but I will not support public healthcare, I will never support it. Also that dosn't mean I am evil or hate my fellow amerians. I love this nation, I like the people who live here, I would help someone if they needed help, I would risk my life if need be.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:39:46.3083429Z
Ok, I stand with what I said. I support single payer because everybody deserves healthcare. Simple as that. I'm not letting you die, because you don't have money to get care. It's so sad people would actually say it's not their problem. Conservatives let me make a point. So, you are pro-life, but you want private healthcare? So you basically are forcing a women to have a child they don't want to, and on top of that you want her to pay for it, even though she doesn't want to? Fascist much?
TBR says2015-09-13T00:39:52.2188850Z
Thats right. That is true. People live without roads fine. They suffer without healthcare. Thanks for torturing the poor, while providing aid to people that don't want us in their countries. But at least we have a road to transport the corpses to the grave.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:41:58.1135878Z
You know they do not need to keep the kid they is adopting the baby, or the worse opinion of giving the kid to foster homes. But I do support abortion in cases of rape.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:43:01.9959973Z
They could, but you are forcing them to pay to give birth to a child they didn't want. It's so dumb when you think you have to pay to give birth.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:43:18.0641003Z
Also I know why you want it, but it will aging increase the burden on us the tax payers, increase government speading witch usually makes debt. If you look you will see this system sinks us down.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:44:29.9457168Z
Sigh no other republics here to help. Just me....
stargate says2015-09-13T00:45:39.5497934Z
They did the act in the first place.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:45:49.8062730Z
It does NOT sink us. We pay WAY MORE than other nations, and get worse results. It moves the costs, and removes the profits from insurance companies. There is NO other nation that would put up with the obscene amounts we pay, and the crap results. This is a humiliation.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:46:41.4010179Z
We can at least agree to disagree.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:46:44.9994268Z
Stargate, don't talk about government spending. You want to fund our OP military which is actually meant for national offense not national defense. If anything, War hawk Republicans are big spenders also, the only difference is once helps, and the other could help, but usually doesn't
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T00:46:49.1226714Z
@stargate Do you think someone should suffer or die from a disease, just because they can't afford healthcare?
TBR says2015-09-13T00:46:50.4282616Z
I forgot you were pro-life. Yup. Force a woman to have a child against her will, and stick her with the bill. God bless capitalism!
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T00:47:13.0172064Z
@TBR Capitalism is also what helped drive USA to become an economic superpower...
stargate says2015-09-13T00:48:05.3252519Z
We are not europe, also dude we are not the same as them.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:48:45.3229981Z
No doubt. Not arguing that point. I am arguing that making a dime off forcing a women to have a child is disgusting.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:49:48.2962313Z
Oh come on you are not prefect either.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:49:53.9242935Z
"We are not europe" - You have said that a number of times. Do you think we are a different species? Do we need less medical care because we live on a different continent?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:50:23.1635129Z
Lets not compare to Europe, and see what benefits Americans, not insurance companies.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:50:29.9688359Z
She know what she was doing, that is her baby she will kill, also there is such a thing as adopting. Gasp
TBR says2015-09-13T00:50:49.6748487Z
Who the he11 is talking about being perfect? We are arguing our points!
stargate says2015-09-13T00:51:18.8441129Z
Look at the north then look at the south. Look most democrat states usually have larger amounts of debt.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:51:25.7975129Z
Ya, so you should pay the bill for her to adopt. Not her.
Haroush says2015-09-13T00:53:09.6124839Z
We need military spending... It is for our national defense. Our national defense is the first and foremost most important issue we must spend on. Everything else is highly debatable as it has to do with individuals, not us as a country.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:53:32.3118151Z
http://www.thestatesproject.org/state-debt/ Top 10 are all Republican.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:53:33.9643763Z
Adoption or not. You have FORCED the woman to carry the child. NOW you want to bill her! And, I forgot, that is because "she knew what she was doing" and "she should have gone to college" so she could get insurance. Got it. Now watch as I launch this 1.5 million dollar cruise missile - you know to "help" all these people who don;t want my "help"
stargate says2015-09-13T00:53:44.3786299Z
You know what f*** it I will tell you about my family. I have three siblings two brother one sister. One brother was adopted, the sister was adopted. So be quite.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T00:54:25.0416149Z
The northeast and west coast are far more successful than the southeast.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:55:10.7036930Z
@stargate Why are you getting angry?
stargate says2015-09-13T00:55:43.9635326Z
Um well sorry she wanted to go f*** some guy. Oh now she dosn't want the baby, well she did that for pleasure only. Well gusse what she did it, she should keep it. The baby is hers.
TBR says2015-09-13T00:55:46.6155836Z
I have 14. We adopted a bunch of them. So what!
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:55:57.4733924Z
@Haroush Hey I understand, I'm not say we need to make our military weak. But it's more than enough to protect us. Alot of our expenditures go towards ancient Cold War weapons which we don't even use anymore. Let cut some spending just a little bit.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:56:56.2241222Z
@TBR My parents did, not me.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:57:02.9357765Z
Ok, but the point is, you are making her pay for it. What happened to the land of the free?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T00:57:37.8409673Z
It's your forcing somebody to have a baby?!! COMMUNISM!!!!!
stargate says2015-09-13T00:58:25.6138412Z
If I knew a flame war wouod happen I wouldn't have made it. This is noted as one of those thing some people hate hearing the OTHER silde.
stargate says2015-09-13T00:59:31.5875099Z
She did it in the first place, the baby has a right to live.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:00:00.6976697Z
@stargate Thats basically how everybody DDO user feels when you want to invade every country in the middle-east. Don't be a hypocrite. We all have opinions, so we are sharing them. Just like how you always share your opinions.
TBR says2015-09-13T01:00:20.0585862Z
Please... You have ample space to give "the other side" and all you have given is... "they should get an education". Is that really the best you got?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:00:22.9911794Z
Sigh, van we stop attacking each other now or must this go on?
TBR says2015-09-13T01:01:30.4564219Z
Feeling attacked? Make a damn argument!
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:01:31.0023834Z
Ok, I won't attack you anymore. But you indirectly are helping to kill innocent poor people when they can't pay for their bills. Thats all I have to say.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:02:00.0007385Z
They should work harder, get a better education, get good with handling money, do not force your problems on someone else.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:03:04.0966186Z
Okay I understand stand that, but I am sorry but I will not allow myself to be forced to do give them money.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:03:09.4938380Z
Ya, and little kids who have such parents should suffer.
TBR says2015-09-13T01:03:13.3935630Z
I can't help it. So, is the same true of the M.E.? Get better with your money, stop bothering us?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:03:44.8877421Z
Stop replying to what I said. I'll continue to attack you.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:03:46.4320332Z
What?
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:04:26.2424006Z
So what about CIA operations and new technology research? What about DARPA spending which falls under military spending? What about increasing the number of FBI agents? What about funding new research into cyber warfare and funding education for cyber warfare experts of the future? All these things are very expensive and our military spending has already been cut tremendously. So, I disagree.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:04:44.8529620Z
I was just raping it up, it is not an attack. I meant no harm.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:06:19.9337430Z
How about increasing the number of soldiers and marines? How about funding for new technology which deals with ship waste while out to sea in a more efficient and green matter?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:06:21.0413288Z
What??? You were raping somebody??!
stargate says2015-09-13T01:06:59.1516402Z
You know what here is one of my last post so long as everyone dose the same. You want to cut our military? Fine but then we can not longer protect most of the nations we do. For some we act as there air force and navy. If we leave and pull back there will be a power gap. Someone will fill that gap.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:07:01.1172150Z
@Haroush Ok I agree. Those things are pretty expensive. I'm talking about cutting spending for useless stuff we don't have.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:08:07.5099638Z
Well this made my day more productive.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:08:09.3819398Z
Stargate, you realize you are being such a hypocrite right? Why should I pay tax money to protect some other country? It's wrong to force people to pay remember?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:09:03.6069932Z
There is a difference
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:09:09.8157932Z
So what is useless stuff we don't have?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:10:25.7253932Z
How about getting rid of International bases we have in the countries of our allies like Germany? It cost millions to maintain them.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:10:49.3593932Z
What difference?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:11:32.5869932Z
If you want me to be the big bad evil bad guy then so be it. But I love this nation, I still try to be friends with people who strongly disagree with me on politics. I wish for a better would, I know you do to. But while you do it though peace I usually do it though force. You spead I save, you are the gas on the car I am the brake.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:11:59.8869932Z
"Our national defense is the first and foremost most important issue we must spend on." This is why @ Taj Individuals health insurance situation is not an immediate threat to our country as a whole.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:12:59.5147783Z
What if the nation wants us to stay? Plus there is russia building up there army and moving troops near NATO member states.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:13:05.5317932Z
We weren't suppose to have any social programs for people in the first place.
TBR says2015-09-13T01:13:12.8169932Z
I think smart weapons should make their own damn money. Enough freeloading off the taxpayer. If they want to be taken somewhere, fly commercial. They knew they were going to explode, they should take responsibility for that!
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:13:12.9155219Z
I'm not sure why we need to have bases in Germany. Are they a threat to us? Maybe 80 years ago, but not now.
TBR says2015-09-13T01:14:28.1649932Z
@tajshar2k - How about we blow another trillion on the M.E. Think that will finally make them love us?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:14:30.1531023Z
"What if the nation wants us to stay?" So? Why should we care? Poor people want the government to pay for their healthcare also.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:15:59.4717932Z
We have to be ready for what might, what can and what will happen. I belive power = peace. No one will dare break that peace.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:18:39.6057932Z
Around around the augment we go there goes an comment here comes an another and then they all come crashing down.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:18:47.3256963Z
Ok, I'm not saying cut the budget by 50% or something. Get rid of some useless things we have. Not everything we need right now. War Hawk Republicans are definitely not supporters of small government. A small government is limited spending in all categories.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:19:26.2656127Z
Well it is smaller then what democrats want.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:20:43.9697108Z
Why do you belive in your stances on politicss?
TBR says2015-09-13T01:21:24.2959693Z
The democrats want different spending, and more fair taxes. Just cut it out with the "only democrats want to spend" the republicans have WAY out spent us at every turn.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:21:28.0711935Z
What do you mean by why?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:22:23.6231496Z
What what made you leas up to believeing that way? Just wanting to know.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:22:25.5263618Z
You do realize that international military base there is a very strategic and has to do with highly sensitive information which can't be disclosed. Many of our military bases are very strategic in nature. Perhaps we should get rid of our military bases in the middle east except for Israel, but that is it. Southeast Asia is a hot spot we need to be at and countries in Africa need to be surveilled. Trust in your military commanders. They know what they are talking about and care very much about this country.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:23:08.3515891Z
Ok, I want a strong military. I think the U.S should have the superior military over any country, but we are spending too much.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:23:40.5472427Z
@TBR maybe but at least on local levels we never drive up the debt to insaine rates. We do not nickel and dime you for every cent.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:23:54.1349298Z
Not supporting getting rid of all bases, but we have bases in Canada... Pretty useless if you ask me. Are we there to stop a moose riot?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:24:53.9613133Z
Well is it near Russia?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:24:59.8944491Z
"What what made you leas up to believeing that way? Just wanting to know." Which topic are you talking about?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:26:07.5157848Z
Well just what lead you up to liking the democrat party more then the republicans.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:26:09.7842411Z
The Yukon part of Canada is sort of near Russia. Why do we have bases in Ontario?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:27:38.0431651Z
Well I want the base near russia. As long as Canada dosn't want us to leave the other one then leave it.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:28:04.1733326Z
Wait is that where the capital of canada is?
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:28:04.8597370Z
Does public healthcare create wealth or dispose of wealth?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:28:11.7949695Z
I never liked the Republicans lol. What made you think I did?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:28:26.0758730Z
If it is that might be why.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:28:52.8456446Z
Nothing
TBR says2015-09-13T01:29:02.3305054Z
@stargate - The guys nickel and diming aren't who is killing us. ~600b - That is what we are spending on our bloated military. ~150b per year lost to tax havens. The list goes on. Just stop picking on the boogie man - the Democratic party. They aren't the bad guys in the tax story.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:29:13.1513427Z
The capital is in Ontario, which is like in the mid east of Canada.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:29:21.0350253Z
I'll tell you, it gets rid of wealth.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:30:48.5671864Z
Strong military equals pleace usually. We are in a sate of relative peace, there has been less wars you know why? Us
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:30:55.8955771Z
"Does public healthcare create wealth or dispose of wealth?" It's not meant to create Wealth... Did invading Iraq create wealth?
TBR says2015-09-13T01:31:40.9523222Z
There is no "wealth" in the middle class anymore. The top has sucked it dry. Not the "democrats". I am talking about everyone making <250k per year. Even <450k per year. They are not the problem.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:31:42.2755663Z
You think we are, so why shouldn't I think the same way?
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:32:55.6286471Z
"You think we are, so why shouldn't I think the same way?" What?
stargate says2015-09-13T01:33:28.9043003Z
No but it helped the people untile the democrat president lost his will to keep on rebuilding the nation.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:34:49.4491655Z
The making you put to be the boogie man
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:35:06.5460401Z
I'm pretty pro-millitary, but I'm not supporting putting our troops in for useless conflicts in which our nation receives no benefit.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:35:54.4092311Z
My family is mine and we live in the high middle clasd.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:36:47.9342035Z
It makes the world safer, but I understand.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:37:13.8116559Z
Image if all of us where running for president......
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:38:18.2761199Z
Iraq is not really any safer. Afghanistan maybe by a little bit, but the overall threat is still there. For the amount of money and effort we put, we failed.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:39:08.7843929Z
Not sure how a discussion on healthcare turned into the military but okay lol.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:39:43.9470183Z
150 billion is not much in terms of spending on military or in contrast to the debt which Obama has racked up in his presidency which didn't come from Bush, but Obama. The debt added up into each president's term rarely goes beyond their first term from the previous presidency. The military spending we accumulated from Bush's two terms wasn't much at all. The Housing market crisis was created under Bill Clinton and wasn't put in check by Bush. This is really what crippled the economy along with 9/11. People forget 9/11 was a strategic attack on our financial market by attacking the WTC. Think.. It is called the WORLD TRADE CENTER!! Duh!! Hmm.
stargate says2015-09-13T01:41:01.5263156Z
It all comes down to what should we spend on. What the government should have control over.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:43:21.0018819Z
Haroush, Bush's Iraq War, his tax cuts for the rich also played a huge part.
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:44:13.6103469Z
The top sucked it dry, huh? So, why is most rich people on the top are DEMOCRATS? Hmmm... Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Gates.. And I could go on.. These are monopolies democrats love to help out because they help fund the democratic party in return get all kinds of breaks.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:45:15.2307419Z
Bill Gates has actually taken the job of ending polio with his money. He makes a lot, but he donates it to good causes. Does Donald Trump do anything?
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:46:16.5391349Z
Prove to us they were tax cuts on just the rich..
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:48:18.3611063Z
A whole article on it https://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/Bush_tax_cuts
Haroush says2015-09-13T01:49:37.7336246Z
And guess what? He gets a big tax break too! Bill Gates is a piece of garbage that is what he is. And Donald Trump is not a true Republican.. Come on now.. Now you are obviously spewing bs.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:50:41.1827683Z
You called Bill Gates a piece of garbage... Wow...
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T01:51:51.0569599Z
Please explain how a man who established the technology we use today, donates billions to fight diseases is garbage?
TBR says2015-09-13T02:40:36.7091747Z
@Haroush - Who cares what party the 1% are part of (hit, most are republicans). I could care LESS. They have sucked most of the wealth out of the middle class. That is not some liberal thing, it is a simple provable fact. I will do a debate on the subject if you like. Its like water is wet. Just tue. And for the 150b that is the tax havens ALONE!!!!! Military is 500b. Point is, healthcare (est ~100b per year for single payer) is NOTHING.
tanner.henley17 says2015-09-13T04:08:50.0271646Z
"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)
stargate says2015-09-13T15:31:27.3532251Z
@TBR Thats funny because we are the knes that lower taxs and cut government spending. Yet of it most be us why there are so many poor people. Also the middle class at least here in the south is fine. I am in the middle class, the high middle class. Also I have seen people who are dirt poor, heck my one of my uncles dosn't make a lot of money at all. But he uses drugs smokes had two kids and a wife. The wife also smoked, you know what I do not feel sorry for them. They abouse the system.
stargate says2015-09-13T15:33:20.3001211Z
Look republicans are better with money they also create more jobs. Look at the republican states then look at the democrat states. We make more money, you suck us dry.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T15:35:00.5170907Z
Wrong again. Republican states are what are dragging the U.S down. There's so much evidence to support it. Https://en.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
TBR says2015-09-13T15:37:16.8304099Z
@stargate - Back that! Not with a bumper sticker or another cliche, with anything realy. Look back. Show me where that is true.
stargate says2015-09-13T15:37:22.7615379Z
Well lets see south makes a lot of money, south less taxs means more companys come. North usually higher levels of debt, along with higher taxs to pay for all of the free crap.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T15:38:32.3549223Z
Democrat states care much better off than Republican States. Other than lower taxes, Democrats have run their states much better.
TBR says2015-09-13T15:38:35.1117117Z
Republican states are net takers - http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
stargate says2015-09-13T15:39:33.2532844Z
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-debt-per-capita-figures.html the darker the red on the map the more debt the state has. Look at the north.
TBR says2015-09-13T15:40:14.2191470Z
Economic growth over terms http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/bw.png
stargate says2015-09-13T15:41:13.0783243Z
We have better economies, less taxs means more people will come along with jobs. Also a smaller government is good.
stargate says2015-09-13T15:42:11.7815006Z
Democrats still have larger debts in there cities and states.
TBR says2015-09-13T15:44:17.3155053Z
The bit about "job creators" is complete junk. There is no connection you can make between republicans and job creators. http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/private-sector-job-creation-by-president-political-party.jpg
stargate says2015-09-13T15:44:18.9691159Z
Also look http://m.money-rates.com/research-center/best-states-to-make-a-living/
stargate says2015-09-13T15:45:55.7521363Z
Then why are some business moving to georgia an republican state. And by some I mean a lot.
stargate says2015-09-13T15:46:29.7759544Z
Also all the states where you make the least amount ot money are all democrat states.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:01:11.5709731Z
Wrong again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
TBR says2015-09-13T16:01:51.0398599Z
@stargate - Look at your link. Better than half the states on the list are democratic states!
TBR says2015-09-13T16:05:33.6064866Z
From your list - these states are comfortably democratic, or recently democratic Delaware, Illinois, Michigan, Colorado, Virginia, Washington.
TBR says2015-09-13T16:09:01.4934192Z
The old saw "republicans are better for the economy" has worn through long ago. It just isn't true.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:10:30.7259912Z
Well Texas is at the top, plus all the states at the bottom are democrats. Also some of those states are more of in the middle then deep blue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T16:10:59.4613754Z
@TBR Well Delaware is pretty much a mix between democrats and republicans. I wouldn't really call it a Democrat state.
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:11:03.2317435Z
Republicans today are only about spending big bucks in the milltary, and supporting large corporations. Those who have stayed true to conservative philosophy are libertarians.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:11:16.7462862Z
It still is good.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:11:52.0025122Z
Thoguh I sense this is going nowhere.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:12:38.3036090Z
Though
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:12:38.8153943Z
You started this today just saying.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:13:23.8559010Z
We like less taxs, less government spending, smaller government, strong military.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:14:04.4785614Z
True, but it was in response to TBR from yesterday.
TBR says2015-09-13T16:14:33.0571235Z
@stargate - No... Texas took the top spot this year using their metric. It's not the top for either income or unemployment rate. So... Even using that, I could make a good argument they aren't top.
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T16:15:27.0966910Z
@tajshar2k What do you mean by supporting large corporations? I don't see much of a problem, large corporations help drive competition and all, as well as hiring more people. (Reducing unemployment)
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:17:31.9442913Z
Giving tax breaks to guys like the Koch brothers. Other guys like Nestle exploit poor people in 3rd world countries and use them as labor to do their work at cheap unfair wages.
TBR says2015-09-13T16:17:41.0263431Z
Four of the ten of worse states from the link are SOLID republican, with to learners.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:18:25.0938320Z
Most are democrats
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:18:51.4892012Z
I'm not against competition. There are companies like Microsoft in which nobody could live without. The technology industry needs compeitition.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:19:48.0395637Z
Look less taxs equals better business. More jobs, along with more companys moving in. Now not all republican states are great but not are democrat states are great.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:21:19.7837518Z
Also democrats states are at the top http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T16:21:28.7850095Z
@tajshar2k Well as long as if they don't exploit people, manipulate the economy and etc. It's all good.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:23:43.6166738Z
Look http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/top-10-states-with-the-highest-taxes.html/?a=viewall
TBR says2015-09-13T16:28:02.8582871Z
@stargate - Prove that. "less taxs equals better business. More jobs,"
TBR says2015-09-13T16:30:08.1747389Z
When you are looking at your links, do you bother looking past the first line? The unemployment by state looks damn good democratic states
tajshar2k says2015-09-13T16:31:22.8680177Z
@triangle Yea, but thats not the reality. Atleast give those people a somewhat decent wage.
TBR says2015-09-13T16:33:25.7553663Z
@triangle.128k - No democratic is dissing "big business" because they want to stop them from growing. We are talking about tax and allowing access to markets for all. You know, the American way. Pay your fair share, promote competition in the market, don't kill your workers and the environment.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:40:54.4400816Z
@TBR I am fine with not runing the eco system. I am also fine with treating people as equals. But the thing is more taxs puts more burdens on us the people, makes companys want to move to where there is less taxs. Big companys provide more jobs, we need them. Though there are some I hate (wallmart is one of them).
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T16:41:55.5456733Z
I agree they should at least give workers good conditions. But the enviornment isn't that bad. Eco-friendly technology advances day by day. There's still plenty of wildlife, trees and all avaliable. Putting strict environmental restrictions threatens economic growth and wealth. It's not like the world is ending if a few trees are dying. Climate change is an issue, but there's evidence of a "mini ice age" coming anyhow. It will become less of a problem day by day, as green technology advances.The economy should be our first concern.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:44:42.6695446Z
Fine when gorgia lowed taxs business came whotch in turn made more jobs. More jons meant more people came now look at us. Look at detroit they made more taxs more jobs left, same with other places. Look at virginia for while there was less taxs but then tax increases happened and jobs left. Maine business left due to high taxs. I am not lying you need to belive me.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:45:15.6949563Z
Georgia
triangle.128k says2015-09-13T16:45:36.1660943Z
We should at least put environmental protection to an extent, but we shouldn't go mad over it. The economy should go first.
stargate says2015-09-13T16:47:46.8194443Z
I agree
TBR says2015-09-13T16:59:11.8447162Z
Job growth is not driven by large employers. They don't even employ most Americans. Again, get some perspective.
TBR says2015-09-13T16:59:50.8449662Z
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristie-arslan/five-big-myths-about-amer_b_866118.html
stargate says2015-09-13T17:22:36.6025210Z
I dosn't have to be juet big business, though they do employ americans. We need both.
stargate says2015-09-13T17:23:00.5330744Z
You need to learn about economics.
TBR says2015-09-13T17:26:56.3020859Z
School me then.
FrozenLichBox says2015-09-13T17:56:30.9879895Z
It's simple, really: Companies (especially large ones) generally have employees. Employees have to be hired. Therefore, businesses employ workers. See, what that really that hard? Furthermore, I proclaim: When businesses expand, they need more employees. When businesses need more employees, they hire more. When more employees are hired, the percent of employed people increases. Therefore, businesses create job growth. I don't really see what else could possibly cause actual job growth aside from the free market.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:05:10.1143890Z
Plus more taxs means that people have less buying power. This means the the economy will begam to slow down. On top of that business will not want to come due to higher taxs there rather then in other states. Whitch we see. This means that there are less jobs, less jobs means more people will leave. This along with increased government spending leads to an economic slow down.
DATXDUDE says2015-09-13T19:14:06.2738948Z
The money has to come from somewhere, and America is in massive debt right now.
stargate says2015-09-13T19:16:47.4572276Z
Well the debt is mostly owned to ourselves.
Kreakin says2015-09-14T21:03:34.2083577Z
@FrozenLichBox - "Look at programs like NICE, which essentially decides wether you live or die. In what world is this a good idea?" It's a good idea when everyone gets treated but drug companies try to charge $180,000 for one course of cancer treatment. It keeps prices down, don't think an insurance company will pay out $180,000 to you either.
Haroush says2015-09-14T22:12:39.6541309Z
We don't need Microsoft, if anything Microsoft needs to be destroyed.
Haroush says2015-09-14T22:14:54.3921946Z
Taj and Microsoft gives cheap labor jobs to people in India and Pakistan so yeah.
FrozenLichBox says2015-09-14T22:35:06.3211862Z
@Kreakin If cancer treatment costs so much, that's because it's relatively new and experimental. If government decides to control the price of cancer treatment, and they choose an unreasonably low price, medical practitioners can't make a profit from it, and so will discontinue the treatment altogether. Government money can come from one of three places: Inflation, borrowing, and taxation. None of these can generate actual money, so how can the government afford to pay $180,000 for everyone who needs a cancer treatment, and still maintain a balance in the currency? Really, all that universal government care does is make waiting periods lethally long, and the service itself horrible. @Haroush If Microsoft sends their labor to foreign countries, that's only the fault of our government being too involved in our market system.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-14T22:51:37.9742213Z
Bill Gates helps end polio in developing countries, Haroush doesn't care. The government gives him tax cuts, and suddenly it's Bill Gates' fault and he's a terrible person.
Kreakin says2015-09-15T22:55:43.9388877Z
@FrozenLichBox - In practice not many can afford the treatment so insured or otherwise go untreated. However the NHS is one of the biggest employers globally, it has huge bargaining power and as such uses it to bring prices down. In the UK we pay income tax but also National Insurance from our wages, in effect we get a very cost effective insurance we buy from the Gov. Use is unlimited and the premiums don't go up. I've already had several ops that I couldn't afford privately with insurance as the premiums after the first claim are not affordable. If the US had this sort of service it's negotiating powers with the drugs co's would be huge. It doesn't also mean people that can afford it can't top up with private insurance. The market is so huge and so many people would be treated that profits may even go up with the reduced price but increased sales. Not to mention the benefit too the economy in having a fit and health society.
Teaparty1 says2015-09-16T07:17:37.9804771Z
Holy shit
TBR says2015-09-20T22:36:11.8956409Z
@FrozenLichBox - The conversation was about job creation, right? Barge business does not add more jobs than small business. That was the point.
triangle.128k says2015-09-20T22:40:04.3935636Z
@Haroush I know right? Them dang corporatist yankees be supporting large corporations too much. We should support dem farmers and hunters, cause dem yankees aint as fit as rednecks.
Haroush says2015-09-21T01:28:45.7602728Z
Triangle, I guess you haven't seen the chart which shows farms owned by the US and farms owned by other countries in our own country.
triangle.128k says2015-09-21T01:30:02.9807678Z
@Haroush Does it really matter? Technology, industrialization and urbanization contribute a greater amount to our economy. Poorer countries generally are more farming oriented.
Haroush says2015-09-21T01:31:08.7039891Z
Is China a poorer country?
triangle.128k says2015-09-21T01:40:09.8714581Z
@Haroush China is pretty developed and wealthy in the more urbanized and richer areas. Generally, the rural land is poorer.
Haroush says2015-09-22T01:30:00.8986243Z
So why did China buy most of our farm land?
Haroush says2015-09-22T01:30:33.5028333Z
Why did they buy one of our wall street banks?

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