Aren't you sick and tired of people saying "feminism has destroyed society. We need Patriarchy again?"

Posted by: SegBeg

I'm no supporter of feminism because they really only value "choice" if it's within their agreements. However, I do get tired of people thinking we need Patriarchy again knowing that the didn't work either as they treated women basically like valuable trophies and second class citizens. What do you think?

  • Yes. I'm tired of it!

  • No. They're right

35% 7 votes
65% 13 votes
  • Like I said above, I don't support feminism. They've gone too far. However I do still support equal rights for men and women. No I don't believe men and women are the same because we're not. We ARE however equal in value, worth and dignity. But some people, mainly men who oppose feminism just want to go back to patriarchy where the man was the breadwinner and the woman the caretaker. Now I have no problem with these roles. I support them, but only if the couple CHOOSES to carry it out- not forced to by strangers, friends or family or by law. I believe in a woman's right to choose whether she wants to work outside the home nor not as well as men. Obviously if either of them choose to work and have kids they should BOTH (this includes you too fathers) make sure that they spend as much time as possible with their kids and NOT put their carers ahead of their families. Basically, they should do what is convenient for them- not for some stupid male chauvinist or judgmental women. People say "but back 50 years ago, divorce rates were low" yes they were, but did it ever occur to you that one of the reasons they might have been lower was because it was harder to get a divorce back then? Nowadays you can get a divorce for basically any reason (not that I think it's right. People should be working on their marriages more nowadays rather than just jumping straight to divorce). Just because divorce rates were lower 50 years ago does NOT mean marriages were HAPPIER. Some were and some weren't. There's a big difference between a long lasting marriage and a happy marriage. I personally don't care who cares for the children. Even if their father is the primary caregiver, they STILL have a PARENT taking care of them and not the nanny or daycare you so oppose so why treat men who stay at home with their children like they are somehow "strangers" to the children for doing so? It really baffles me. So in conclusion, I hate it when people just think going back to the 1950's will solve the problems of feminism. It won't, women will just rebel again for their right to choose and it's not fair on them or their families to force them (and men) into roles they don't suit or like. Sure men and women may have certain attributes dominant in their genders but not EVERYONE fits into those attributes so you can't force them to comply with them. What we need to overcome feminism are ACTUAL strong-minded women who whether a politician or a stay at home mom need to influence these self righteous man-hating feminists and encourage them to stop with the vulgarity and attacking of men and the killing of innocent children. THAT will help overcome feminism- not forcing us back into the Patriarchy!

    Posted by: SegBeg
  • It really isn't about being a FEMINIST. It is simply just about being treated equal , ie in the work place. Women are treated worse today than ever. Men leave their families, they don't provide, women and the kids live in poverty and men go make another family to abandon. So, women do not have "it" all, they just "do" it all alone. I really see no need for men anymore, to be honest.

  • No. Feminism is still running amok.

  • No, because Feminism has destroyed society, and there is no evil patriarchy.

  • Nope. I don't hear people saying that. However, I do hear people complaining about feminism and can't really blame them.

  • This is a really badly worded question... Besides the point. WTF the f*** is wrong with everyone??? You do realize there's an entire middle spectrum, right? Why does it always have to be a choice between two really extreme sides??? We really can't figure out a better way to address things rather than just smacking the pendulum back and forth??? As far as I'm concerned, f*** both of'em. Just start being equal. Said it before, the more one moves away from neutrality, the more one becomes which they set out to fight against. BUT, we can't even say 'be neutral' or reference 'everyone' b/c progressivism has twisted those basic fundamental meanings to implicate "approval" of whatever negative fill-in-the-blank label or inaction. F*** progressives; just stay neutral, address inequalities if they happen to occur around you, and things will naturally take care of themselves (it really will).

  • feminist are fucking retarded

  • voting to piss of segbeg

  • No I'm not sick and tired of people saying this, because no one says this.

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Black-Jesus says2016-08-16T21:29:19.6273864Z
Well, I don't like these options because I don't agree with that statement, but I've only ever heard it said, like, twice in my entire life. I guess I am tired of it, because I become exasperated when I hear that, but I wouldn't use the words "sick and tired of"
Wolfram says2016-08-16T22:04:25.1201352Z
"However, I do get tired of people thinking we need Patriarchy again knowing that the didn't work either as they treated women basically like valuable trophies and second class citizens. " >implying patriarchy is a bad thing.
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T05:09:47.4492828Z
Wolfram You are a misogynistic moron
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T05:10:49.2888720Z
A patriarchal society is like a slavery society Wolfram, duh much?
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T05:11:58.5074031Z
Harrytruman you are an idiot
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T05:13:02.9366421Z
Heterodox:WHy, because women are sick and tired of being treated like SHIT?
Heterodox says2016-08-17T05:49:57.9608379Z
@karlmarx59, No, because they want special treatment.
foxxhajti says2016-08-17T14:47:16.8573864Z
We neither need feminism nor do we need the patriarchy.
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T20:26:43.3769099Z
Foxxhajti: You are correct!
karlmarx59 says2016-08-17T20:32:29.0795579Z
Heterodox: I don't want "special" treatment, I just want to be treated equal. For example when I do the same job as a man I expect the same pay. That is the sort of thing I am referring to. I want to be afforded the same opportunities as a man to move forward in the workforce. I want to be taken seriously in the workplace. When I am aggressive and stalworth, I expect respect not being called a "bitch". A man is looked upon as successful if he displays these traits, but a women is a "bitch" it is a double standard that has been played far too long. That is not being treated special, it is simply the "right" thing to do.
Heterodox says2016-08-17T22:18:48.2007081Z
@karlmarx59 , Then rejoice, feminism is no longer needed, the pay gap myth has been debunked. If you want to make the same as a man, do the same job as a man. The "pay gap" comes from women choosing not to.
Foodiesoul says2016-08-18T01:36:16.6431504Z
Feminism is stupid and sexist against men. If I could kill every feminist on Earth, I would. Also, leaders should NEVER be chosen just because of their gender! They should be chosen BECAUSE they have what it takes to lead an entire place and they're intelligent and responsible. Patriarchy and matriarchy are only evil if the leaders are being prejudiced or don't care for the people's rights but if the leaders are intelligent, mature, and responsible, then it's totally fine.
Foodiesoul says2016-08-18T01:39:32.0032027Z
@karlmarx59 DUH! EVERY rational person knows that not all men and women want special treatment, unlike moronic Heterodox. Also, don't worry. The Wage Pay Gap is mostly just a MYTH and there are tons of women who are taken seriously in the workplace. Kill anyone who discriminates against you. Sexists and racists and other prejudiced people deserve NO mercy!
Heterodox says2016-08-18T02:04:18.7934320Z
@Foodiesoul, Do you even bother to think before you type? I never said all men and women want special treatment. Modern Feminists do!
Wolfram says2016-08-18T02:17:25.3449577Z
"Wolfram You are a misogynistic moron" SegBeg is a fear-mongering person. Painting the patriarchy with the color of red doesn't make it evil, Karlmarx59. The feminist mentality that sort is not grounded in the reality and even in the history, so excuse me if I don't take Segbeg seriously. To make things clear, Karl. I don't hate women, doofus.
Wolfram says2016-08-18T02:24:14.8372324Z
@karlmarx59 "A patriarchal society is like a slavery society Wolfram, duh much?" Hahaha. You can't be serious. Patriarchy wasn't based on the principles of slavery.
Foodiesoul says2016-08-18T03:25:05.9158441Z
@Heterodox Ssys the stupid sexist who implied that women choose not to do tough jobs and that men have better and harder jobs than women, which ISN'T true at all! Everything you said in your previous comment is sexist so please shut up and check YOURSELF before telling me what to do!
Heterodox says2016-08-18T04:28:15.2668950Z
@Foodiesoul, I guess you don't bother to read before you type either. I never said anything about the difficulty of a job. However, men do tend to pick higher paying jobs and stick with them. It isn't sexist, it's fact, that women and men, in general, tend to pick different jobs and because of that get paid differently. Oh and, I know you love to put words in my mouth (I imagine it's easier to argue things you just make up), but I never told you to do anything.
SegBeg says2016-08-18T08:24:40.2038235Z
@Wolfram, "SegBeg is a fear-mongering person." How is wanting a woman to CHOOSE whether she wants to work inside or outside the home fear mongering? How is not wanting a man to make all my choices for me or running the country without even listening to women's issues fear mongering? I think YOU'RE the one who's the fear mongerer here. Even if you're not a feminist, do YOU believe a woman should have the choice work working inside or outside the home?
Wolfram says2016-08-18T15:21:26.0228945Z
@SegBeg Women can do whatever they want, but it's not the point. Your knowledge of patriarchy is nothing more than a narrative of toxic feminism because it'is simple as the definition of patriarchy on the search engine. It's nothing more than a simple system ruled by male role. Like a father role deciding what's the best for his own daughter, for an example. It's simple as butlers are ruled by male role. Patriarchy doesn't mean men can be absolved of obligations, responsibilities and accountabilities. Believe it or not, there is matriarchy and I accept its existence as I am to patriarchy. Matriarchy didn't function as well as patriarchy in the past, although it is still in the use. The maids are ruled by female role. Female coaches to lead their female teammates in sports. Yes, SegBeg. You're a fear-mongering person because you simply don't know the benefits of patriarchy has in the offer for the society, the family and the politics. You're just looking at patriarchy with the "patriarchy-is-evil" eyeglasses on. I get it, SegBeg. You hate men to tell you what to do.
SegBeg says2016-08-19T18:29:26.1297696Z
@Wolfram, You're right. I don't like it when men tell me what to do, but I don't like t when women tell me what to do either. I don't hate men one bit. Trust me, I'm not like those crazy minded feminists. I appreciate men more than ever- I only don't like the sexist, hypocritical ones. Patriarchy is not an ideal system any more than matriarchy is. You think patriarchy was successful? So you want to go back to the days where a man could beat his wife for basically any reason? You want to go back to the days where a woman had to wait on her husband hand and foot? You want to go back to the days when women weren't allowed to vote? You want to go back to the days where women were- in other ways, less appreiciated? You want to go back to the days where a woman basically had NO choice in who she married? You want to go back to the days where a woman could be raped by her husband or any man and it seen as okay? You want to go back to the days where a woman was robbed of her possessions and her children in a divorce? You want to go back to the days where girls were denied a full education and were barred from going to university? Cause I sure as hell don't. Also, another person cannot decide what is best for another person- only the PERSON can. A father cannot decide what is best for his daughter (unless she's still really young). As an adult, she is capable of making her own decisions. Her father (and mother for that matter) can guide her along the way but in the end, only SHE knows what is best for her- not her parents, not her siblings, not her boyfriend, etc. Like I said, I'm not the fear mongerer here- YOU are. It just feels like you can't stand the fact of a woman having a right to chose whether or not to work outside the home. It seems as if you can't stand the thought of a woman in a position of power so you want to go back to the days when that was not possible.
Wolfram says2016-08-19T20:11:23.3501823Z
"So you want to go back to the days where a man could beat his wife for basically any reason? You want to go back to the days where a woman had to wait on her husband hand and foot? You want to go back to the days when women weren't allowed to vote? You want to go back to the days where women were- in other ways, less appreiciated? You want to go back to the days where a woman basically had NO choice in who she married? You want to go back to the days where a woman could be raped by her husband or any man and it seen as okay? You want to go back to the days where a woman was robbed of her possessions and her children in a divorce? You want to go back to the days where girls were denied a full education and were barred from going to university?" No. The problem is you are still attributing patriarchy to men' bad behavior like rape, abuse and maltreatment of women. In other words, you are justifying your prejudices against patriarchy with no substance and reason. Let's say if a crazy feminist said: "All men are rapists"! Then do that crazy feminist' views represent feminism? No. If I think it so, then it'd be nutpicking, overgenerating, fear-mongering and bigotry. The rape, abuse and maltreatment of women was frowned unto by men in the past. "It seems as if you can't stand the thought of a woman in a position of power so you want to go back to the days when that was not possible." No. What I can't stand people believed women assumed the full responsibilities like men had in the past and then believed that women are better off without patriarchy, in which is not entirely true if you look at history and you will see the examples of women being content under the rule of patriarchy. There is active organizations ruled by patriarchy in where of rape, abuse and maltreatment amounts to little or none. You may not be feminist, but you have the mentality of a toxic feminist. Hence, blaming on patriarchy for past women' problems was your undoing. With all due respect, SegBeg. You are a fear-mongering person.
SegBeg says2016-08-20T12:23:08.5038669Z
@Wolfram, Well I can see that you view all feminism as evil. Does that not mean you are a fear mongering person by your logic? There are crazy feminists and there are true feminists but you are forcing all feminists into one box basically thinking they are ALL anti-men. And also, name one patriarchal society where the treatment of women is humane. Last time I checked, all the countries that are fully patriarchal treat women- and even men for that matter like garbage. Take for example the Middle Eastern and some African countries such as Iraq, Sudan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc and life for both men and women are not so great. Egalitarian societies don't treat women as sexual objects or make men fight in wars they don't believe in. Sure they have some cons but I have never seen a patriarchal nor matriarchal society where the non ruling gender is treated fairly. I don't like patriarchy based on what it does and has done which is treat both men and women unfairly. Call me a fear mongerer if you want but in a way YOU are also a fear mongerer because you hate matriarchy (I'm not for a matriarchy either by the way).
Heterodox says2016-08-20T13:44:01.8353778Z
@SegBeg, The current general usage of feminism requires extremism. The days when feminism simply meant equality are over, the movement has changed its goalposts.
SegBeg says2016-08-20T16:19:18.5583000Z
@Wolfram, that I can agree with you on
SegBeg says2016-08-20T16:21:25.2935124Z
Sorry I meant Heterodox- not Wolfram (silly me!)
Wolfram says2016-08-22T07:10:20.5993320Z
@SegBeg "Well I can see that you view all feminism as evil. Does that not mean you are a fear mongering person by your logic? " Sigh, SegBeg. I said: "Let's say if a crazy feminist said: "All men are rapists"! Then do that crazy feminist' views represent feminism? No. If I think it so, then it'd be nutpicking, overgenerating, fear-mongering and bigotry. "
chirag_rulze says2016-09-20T02:46:53.4332727Z
Your salary depends are you major. It should also be known, than women get paid less, because men chose to work in more dangerous and hazardous fields. They also chose jobs that require continuous physical activity. Here is a list of the most male dominated majors. [3] Petroleum Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% Mining and Mineral engineering: 90% male Chemical Engineering: 72% male Now, here is a list of women dominated majors. Early Childhood Education: 97% female Social Work: 88% female Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female [3] Now, let’s take a look at how much a chemical engineer makes, annually. According to Wiki, “Median salary: $96,940 USD (2014)” [4] Now, let’s see how much a social worker makes, annually. According to Occupational Lookout, “The median annual wage for social workers is $44,200” That is a $52,740 difference, in annual salary. As we can see, it is statistically proven, that men chose to work more dangerous, and hazardous jobs, than women. This is why men earn more, than women. [1] http://www.washingtonexaminer.com... [2] http://www.bls.gov... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org... [4] http://www.bls.gov... This answer was copied from: Rosalie http://www.Debate.Org/debates/There-is-a-Wage-Gap-Between-Men-and-Women-in-the-Workforce/1/

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