Atheist mother receives death threats... (read description)

Posted by: reece

...After complaining about a preacher called "bible man" being invited to her child's public school. Keep in mind this wasn't extra curricular; it was during school hours.

  • Public schools shouldn't be endorsing any religion.

  • The women deserves what she got.

88% 30 votes
12% 4 votes
  • My school (also a government school) keeps changing principals, and unfortunately, the government allows quite a bit of autonomy in choosing who comes to our school to do talks (the government would probably only cringe if it involves spending money). We once had a Christian principal who invited Protestant singers to our school to preach. It's been 4-5 years now and I still haven't stopped mocking those guys' logic. 'Look at the veins that keep our body running... Just think about it, how can we be evolved from monkeys?'

  • Public schools are part of the government so religion must be kept for away from it

  • Start some kind of religious school if you want to shove that down innocent children's throats.

  • Simply put it violates the Establishment clause of the U.S. Constitution and breaks established law.

  • I heard about this no religion in schools!

  • While I don't think she deserved death threats, I think that it's okay that a preacher would go to a public school. If you are okay with evolution being taught in public schools, you should be okay with creationism being taught.

  • School's are a place of learning, are they not? The core fundamental principle of learning is exposure to ideas and knowledge. Should the school only allow a person of one particular faith in? No. But given that a large majority of the world subscribes to some sort of higher power, children should be at a minimum exposed to various religions. Note, atheist send death threats to religious organizations as well, so its not one-sided phenomena

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reece says2015-04-20T07:53:56.1617422-05:00
@M4sturDebater Hes preaching about religion, Not pseudoscience.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T08:11:56.0390424-05:00
@reece I don't see what that has to do with anything.
reece says2015-04-20T08:18:55.9360189-05:00
@M4sturDebater "If you are okay with evolution being taught in public schools, you should be okay with creationism being taught." was this just a random thing you said? If so, why do you think it's okay for a preacher to turn up to a public school?
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T08:23:17.2279941-05:00
@reece Nope. I think that children should be able to experience both evolution and creationism and be able to decide which one they think is right. I think it's okay because you have other people come in a and talk about drugs and violence, I think it's okay to have a preacher to come in. Why do you think that a preacher should not be allowed to turn up to a public school?
reece says2015-04-20T08:41:20.8889406-05:00
@M4sturDebater Evolution is a already widely excepted in the scientific community unlike creationism. Evolution is backed by branches of genetics, geology, paleontology, astronomy, etc. Focusing on one subject that's backed by many fields of science is better than focusing on another one that isn't. Because I don't think bible Scriptures would help with algebra tests. That's an exaggeration but do you get my point? Remember this is during school hours.
reece says2015-04-20T08:48:13.3075019-05:00
@M4sturDebater The preachers topics: Baby Jesus display. "Jesus dies on the cross for our sins" sermons. Bible readings. Bible story meaning. Religious literature distributions.
Kreakin says2015-04-20T08:53:13.7199100-05:00
If they invite christian preachers then they should invite preachers from every other faith also.
reece says2015-04-20T08:56:11.1549581-05:00
It would of been awesome if they invited the "Quran man" lol
briantheliberal says2015-04-20T08:56:41.6099392-05:00
M4sturDebater, that's like saying, if you're okay with physics being taught in school, you should be okay with unicornology being taught. One is fact, the other is myth and therefore not comparable nor worthy of being taught in schools.
Kreakin says2015-04-20T09:00:59.6041562-05:00
I would rather religions were studied for what they are in a scientific or psychological way. Preaching really has no place in schools.
briantheliberal says2015-04-20T09:11:03.9184558-05:00
Kreakin, I agree.
reece says2015-04-20T09:16:58.9762462-05:00
@Kreakin If briantheliberal agrees with you, you can automatically assume i agree too.
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-20T09:22:48.1376844-05:00
Schools are supposed to guide students on the Path of Instruction, by discovering their benevolent nature, which was conferred upon them by the Heavens. Schools should encourage students to cultivate their virtues using their own innate ability to be moral and virtuous. That ability is inside their hearts and should not come from an external source, including the Bible. By preaching, schools are not educating the right way.
TBR says2015-04-20T10:27:47.1749360-05:00
OK. I have no issue with this. Provided I can take my textbooks into Christian churches and get time at the pulpit.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T11:52:45.4971205-05:00
@TBR Evolution is taught in christian schools you know
reece says2015-04-20T12:05:54.0631510-05:00
@M4sturDebater So it should.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T12:06:50.4957984-05:00
@reece yes it should. I agree with you there.
TBR says2015-04-20T12:09:42.7242202-05:00
@M4sturDebater - Private schools are able to provide weak education all they like.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T12:11:19.9715144-05:00
@TBR That's weird. Weak? I've heard people say private schools are harder than public schools, but never the other way around.
TBR says2015-04-20T12:12:25.5771970-05:00
@M4sturDebater - I went to private schools prek-12 and got a very good education. The Christian schools on the other hand...
FantumHeist says2015-04-20T12:12:50.5954416-05:00
Enough i will end this debate... Seperation between church and state public shcools are owned by the government if you want religion in school go to a private school there will be no jesus class in my public school case closed who wants cake?
reece says2015-04-20T12:14:21.0711621-05:00
@FantumHeist Is it space cake?
TBR says2015-04-20T12:15:35.5076712-05:00
Cake must be designed. Do you think that flower, eggs etc. just APPEAR in a bowl? Nope. Grand cake designer at work.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T12:16:07.8347003-05:00
@TBR Wait, I was talking about private schools, haha
TBR says2015-04-20T12:21:22.2303639-05:00
This is what you said "I think that it's okay that a preacher would go to a public school. If you are okay with evolution being taught in public schools, " Later you talk about private schools. Yes, private Christian schools can delude the education they provide. That is up to them to teach junk and pass it off as sicencelike.
TBR says2015-04-20T12:23:06.6354333-05:00
Or, perhaps where the disconnect is - is understanding the it is the secular private schools that turn out the best students, not the Christian schools.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T12:33:23.3853868-05:00
@ TBR Yeah, gonna need some facts to prove that second point. Those schools definitely take Christianity and pass it off as fact and proven by science. I was taught why Christianity was right and to believe in that you have to have a blind belief. Like how are you supposed to believe that this book was written by God and other disciples, and it's very hard to do that. Evolution takes belief too. Much like Christian kids, kids who learned evolution all their lives are gonna believe in evolution cause that's what they were taught. I think that because it takes blind belief to trust in all this as fact, kids should be shown both sides of the coin and the kids make their own decision.
TBR says2015-04-20T13:06:26.1892970-05:00
OK. Point one. Here are just the day-schools Only one is semi religious, run by the Jesuit (they don't count for you I would guess).
TBR says2015-04-20T13:07:37.6873640-05:00
Point two - "Those schools definitely take Christianity and pass it off as fact and proven by science." That is all the point I need to make.
TBR says2015-04-20T13:08:12.5975791-05:00
Point three - "I was taught why Christianity was right and to believe in that you have to have a blind belief." Again, not much to say other than look at your own words.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T13:11:01.2346601-05:00
@TBR I never said that Christianity was right and evolution was wrong. I said that we don't exactly know which one is right or wrong. This whole argument was about if it's okay for religion to taught in Public schools and all I'm saying is that all religions should be presented, so kids can choose for themselves.
TBR says2015-04-20T13:13:40.4180673-05:00
"I never said that Christianity was right and evolution was wrong." - Don't really care, but OK || "I said that we don't exactly know which one is right or wrong." - I know what one is science and what one is blind faith. || "This whole argument was about if it's okay for religion to taught in Public schools and all I'm saying is that all religions should be presented, so kids can choose for themselves." - I am saying, take your silly book and toss it out the window. It has no place in science classroom, and where it should be taught, it needs to be on equal footing with all religious texts.
TBR says2015-04-20T13:29:50.0266959-05:00
I'm a little sorry. Can't stand how easy this is. This is an article about how primary religious based schools are under preforming against public schools.
FantumHeist says2015-04-20T13:38:38.9168862-05:00
Yes its space cake
TBR says2015-04-20T13:41:18.1321891-05:00
Wow, forgot there was going to be cake. I can't deal with creationists rubes without some cake.
FantumHeist says2015-04-20T13:50:27.3486274-05:00
*gives tbr cake*
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T14:02:51.5325653-05:00
I'll take the cake too
TBR says2015-04-20T16:22:07.7785314-05:00
Cake all around. Except for pastafarians. I don't think that works for them.
M4sturDebater says2015-04-20T20:35:00.1912167-05:00
@TBR Haha, i just looked pastafarians up! Are those guys for real?
reece says2015-04-20T22:36:26.9928998-05:00
@M4sturDebater I thought you wouldn't want to get high?
reece says2015-04-20T22:37:16.8196192-05:00
@FantumHeist Can i have some?
FantumHeist says2015-04-21T10:16:14.9890113-05:00
*gives reece cake* sorry i ran out so i went to get more
FantumHeist says2015-04-21T10:16:51.0222665-05:00
*give M4sturDebater cake*
FantumHeist says2015-04-21T10:17:22.7682686-05:00
themisfitjoe says2015-04-23T03:05:18.0951959-05:00
Creationism and Evolution are capable of coexistence and my personal belief is that science is an explanation of how God did it. Ya'll seem to be unable to distinguish between Creationism and Young Earth Creationism which is bogus
reece says2015-04-23T05:06:22.5157624-05:00
@themisfitjoe Yup, science does all the hard work while religion takes all the credit. It's pretty much me saying 'science is an explanation of how Cat in the Hat did it.' Science and morality in general are ever changing while organized religion clings onto primitive traditions and ideologies. What makes you think your modern opinion is any better?
reece says2015-04-23T05:36:33.5609139-05:00
It's better to admit what you don't know than to become hypocritical.
TBR says2015-04-23T08:26:46.5998038-05:00
@themisfitjoe - It is not us that can't distinguish YEC and reality. God of the gaps is fine for some, others are more dogmatic, regardless leave the preaching out of the science class.
dhardage says2015-04-28T11:39:17.7928088-05:00
Hey, themisfitjoe, please provide one instance of an atheist sending death threat to a religious organization?

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