Burning american flag/upside down american flag

Posted by: FantumHeist

Should it be allowed?

25 Total Votes

It's unpatriotic

13 votes

Freedom of Expression/Freedom of Speech

12 votes
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Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T10:29:37.8986633-05:00
Isn't it both of the answers?
tajshar2k says2015-05-11T10:47:24.1281663-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe It should be. I agree with both options.
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T10:49:08.9951166-05:00
No it's not unpatriotic but to many it is considered unpatriotic Soldiers fight for the government not the people atleast they used to fight for us if they did fight for our rights then we should be allow to disagree and openly show they're opinions the flag burning is not physically harming anyone plus the Soldiers who are said to fight for the people should fight for everyone not just Americans just like ww2
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T10:52:05.5953097-05:00
So no bringing up people die for your right to freedom of speech/expression
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T10:55:23.7844410-05:00
@FantumHeist, ever heard of punctuation?
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T10:58:52.3889782-05:00
I have I'm just to lazy to use it. Why bring it up?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T10:59:29.9254050-05:00
Because I was having trouble reading your sentences.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:04:41.1136136-05:00
@FantumHeist, Burning a symbol of your rights is unpatriotic. For pete's sake the flag is also a symbol of your right to burn it. It is a symbol of freedom of speech, and your right to burn it is protected by what it stands for. So, yes you should be allowed to burn it. But you shouldn't burn it because that is paradoxical. In addition it is unpatriotic because you are also burning a symbol of all of the rights people have died for.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:06:04.7925500-05:00
People also died for the right to express their opinions.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:08:06.8165322-05:00
Did I ever say you shouldn't be allowed to burn it? No.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:08:41.2927532-05:00
Specifically I said you are allow to, in fact the flag stands for your right to burn it.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:09:00.1064738-05:00
Does your word automatically turn into law? No.
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:09:32.2005742-05:00
I understand what you have stated but me as a Patriot allows it because they have the right to do it and I understand people died for it. Now answer my past question why bring up my lack of proper sentence/paragraph construction.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:10:33.2205214-05:00
Does anybody's word turn directly into law in the US? No.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:10:33.8445454-05:00
The right to burn a flag should be allowed. While it is "violent," it does not inflict damage to other property or people. Suppressing the actions of these people will only hurt the situation.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:11:30.0815100-05:00
@FantumHeist I already said why I brought it up.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:15:58.7040429-05:00
Just like to point out that answers for this poll don't answer the question. Something can be unpatriotic yet be allowed.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:20:17.9672159-05:00
Patriotic- Having or expressing devotion to and vigorous support for one's country What if the person(s) burning the American flag are NOT American? They are EXPRESSING DEVOTION to their COUNTRY.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T11:27:13.7376179-05:00
I am assuming this question is talking about america. Otherwise it would be asking if other countries should be allowed to burn the american flag.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:27:45.5346410-05:00
But it doesn't...
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:29:05.7297258-05:00
Sorry did not notice the reason dismiss my ignorance
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:30:04.0683700-05:00
Dang communist dog you can express sh*t why better than me
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:30:40.9823899-05:00
Who wants a free drawing of Muhammad?
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:32:43.4168776-05:00
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:33:44.9480664-05:00
What do you not want a DRAWING of Muhammad to show people
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:34:41.8973586-05:00
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:35:51.0259169-05:00
Come on it's only MUHAMMAD
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:36:16.4951414-05:00
Who? O_O
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:38:03.9167414-05:00
MUHAMMAD!!!!! Would you like a sexy picture of Muhammad no? Maybe a funny picture?
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T11:38:29.1575414-05:00
Who is he!??!?!?!
FantumHeist says2015-05-11T11:39:38.1838571-05:00
The prophet of islam/muslim and people are killed for drawing and illustrating him
neoryan1 says2015-05-11T11:41:10.1739956-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Burning the American Flag is not necessarily a hypocritical thing to do. Just because you burn the flag does not mean you disagree with everything it stands for.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T12:06:49.1913410-05:00
@Neorayn1 Regardless of the reason you are burning it for, you are still burning a symbol of freedom of speech.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-11T12:09:58.5297547-05:00
"Freedom of speech has no exceptions." Wrong, you are not allowed to slander, death threats, and harassment. The reason for the exception is because you are interfering with other people's rights.
komododragon8 says2015-05-11T12:33:24.8319694-05:00
Many soldiers fought to protect their people not a piece of cloth.
komododragon8 says2015-05-11T12:36:02.1178538-05:00
Mathgeekjoe: the american flag is not a symbol of freedom of speech, it is a symbol of the United States.
CommunistDog says2015-05-11T14:47:54.7707072-05:00
The eagle is a symbol of boldness and strength and of freedom. Boldly it stands. Strong it be. Free it flies.
neoryan1 says2015-05-11T15:28:47.4270215-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe So freedom of speech has some exceptions when you tread in other's personal lives, you are right. And even though you are burning a symbol of freedom it's not necessarily a remark against freedom. For example a swastika is a symbol of peace, however being against a Nazi flag does not mean you are against peace.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-12T10:04:29.8977254-05:00
@Neoryan1 is the nazi flag a symbol of peace? While what on it may be a symbol of peace, the flag itself never represented peace. The american flag, in of itself represents freedom. Let me put it this way, if you burn a nazi flag today, anybody who knows it is a nazi flag would not consider it a burning of peace. If you burn an american flag, there is a very large group of americans that would take it a burning of freedom.
CommunistDog says2015-05-12T11:02:42.4378657-05:00
A swastika was an Indian symbol that was modified and then used by the Nazis as their emblem. The swastika itself was a symbol of freedom and peace before the use of the Nazis.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-12T11:20:05.0936782-05:00
Burning a nazi flag doesn't mean the same thing as just burning a swastika. Just like burning the american flag isn't the same as just burning a star.
CommunistDog says2015-05-12T11:21:28.4915021-05:00
So.... It's also just like burning America's flag is not like burning the patriotic symbols then.
komododragon8 says2015-05-12T12:51:48.0722543-05:00
Mathgeekjoe: The american flag is not a symbol of freedom it is the national flag the the united states.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-12T13:31:43.4863110-05:00
@komododragon8 I and many others see it as a symbol of the freedoms in the united states. While you may see it as nothing more than a national flag, I see the bill of rights, the constitution, and much more.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-14T23:16:24.1326902-05:00
"Being able to admit that your country has faults is the most patriotic thing you can do. Blind obediance to a flag is one of the core principle of fascism.'' Burning the flag doesn't make that statement though, so this point you've tried to make doesn't make sense. People always end up having to follow it up by stating what it is that they're actually standing for. The burning itself does not make their cause apparent. Especially since the act is already synonymous with enemies to the state. A couple yuppies burning a flag in the name of free speech doesn't reverse the all the years foreign nations have been doing it. Someone else popularized your statement already. It'd be like me trying to take the pink ribbon from cancer awareness. Everyone's gonna automatically assume I'm supporting cancer patients and not that I'm protesting for the annexation of Puerto Rico.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-14T23:19:59.2212137-05:00
Just sayin. Zero sympathy if a vet goes crazy and beats the crap out of you. You picked the wrong way to make your statement, and I find it completely reasonable that people automatically label you a domestic enemy.
neoryan1 says2015-05-17T12:25:38.1021551-05:00
@mathgeekjoe That's just how you interpret it. The intentions behind the person who burned it are all it really stands for. If you interpret it as a sign of destroying freedoms then you are being close-minded considering that's usually not the point behind it at all. Remember that the same American Flag was flying in Washington when MLK was thrown in jail for a simple speech. What kind of freedom is that?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T13:09:50.1419952-05:00
@Neoryan it is also the same flag that was flying when he was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal. It was also the same flag flying on MLK day each year. It was also the same flag flying when many have died for our freedoms.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T13:24:58.9637062-05:00
"The intentions behind the person who burned it are all it really stands for." That is like saying if someone hangs you in effigy, you can't be insulted by if it was for a good intention. Also if you want go down the road that what only matter is intentions, then you would be justifying a lot of evil actions. The most horrible things ever done were with good intentions. Hitler's intention when he created the holocaust was to better the planet. We all know that he was doing something purely evil that did the opposite of good. But in his mind he had good intentions.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-17T13:42:07.8261049-05:00
"If you interpret it as a sign of destroying freedoms then you are being close-minded considering that's usually not the point behind it at all." How am I being closed minded when the person who is burning the flag knows that people see it as a symbol of freedom? A flag that many see as a symbol of what their relatives died for. Does the person burning the flag just expect people to ignore that their symbol of freedom is being burn just because their intention of burning it was not that? If anyone is being closed minded, it is the person burning the flag.
neoryan1 says2015-05-20T11:49:58.1850956-05:00
My point was that a simple flag doesn't dictate our freedoms because the flag was flying while freedoms were not practiced. And when it comes to intentions I'm not talking about good or bad. I mean the reason they burned it. Most people burn it in protest of pointless wars, not in protest of basic freedoms. Just because you view it as a symbol of burning freedom does not mean it IS one.
Halochicken says2016-05-23T14:54:24.1438772Z

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