Can being white be a disadvantage?

Posted by: Dilara

Even if a group of thugs decides to kill the next white person they see and hammers you to death?

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Yes

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A group of teens yelled "kill white people" before hammering zemir begic to death. Being white is what got him killed.
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lutherin says2015-05-11T15:50:23.4485338-05:00
All races can have disadvantages. Whites just happen to be less immune to UV rays
Dilara says2015-05-11T15:51:25.9617300-05:00
If you are raped, beaten and tortured for 16 years because you are white along with 1400 other mostly white girls is your race an advantage?. Some might believe that sexual abuse isn't privilege.
lutherin says2015-05-11T15:53:38.5501891-05:00
Ofc there are exceptions and cases where being white is a disadvantage, most cases it seems to be otherwise. But you do raise a point that people are taking advantage of reverse racism and using it as revenge racism
TBR says2015-05-11T15:53:59.3632563-05:00
I would have answered yes without that incredible description
Wylted says2015-05-11T16:00:20.8735589-05:00
Every situation will have some unique advantages.
Wylted says2015-05-11T16:00:31.3310331-05:00
And disadvantages
Stefy says2015-05-11T16:02:09.2630537-05:00
Yes white people can encounter racial problems. But minoritiea encounter far more. Stop treating it like a contest Dilara. Why is it so hard to acknowledge some people have it harder than you do?
heil84 says2015-05-11T16:02:49.7609133-05:00
Inequality isn't a bad thing
heil84 says2015-05-11T16:03:37.7634098-05:00
All successful civilizations had to use inequality to become so powerful, even the lowest of civlization had it better than wild men without enforced inequality
Stefy says2015-05-11T16:04:47.6450500-05:00
And by the way i never see anyone advocating for these nonexistent white problems. The only time they are ever brought up is when minorities try to have their problems addressed and white people start going "what about my race why isnt it all about me?" Its just a way to keep minorities in their place and its ignorant behaivior.
heil84 says2015-05-11T16:05:56.8997129-05:00
Nothing wrong with that. If one race becomes privililedged there's a reason why that race became privilideged
heil84 says2015-05-11T16:06:08.4052392-05:00
And that race should take prioirty
Mister_Man says2015-05-11T17:15:02.0334841-05:00
Stefy, I'm calling you out as a racist. You favour every other race and for some reason will not accept that racism affects white people as well, and consider negativities against whites as a "non-issue" simply because others have it worse. Nobody is asking why it isn't "all about them," we're simply saying don't forget about us simply because we're white.
Dilara says2015-05-11T17:26:46.4871998-05:00
Stefy. So a man being hammered to death because he's white isn't a big problem? 1000 anti white hate crimes a year (fbi) isn't a big problem? Did you hear about Rotherham England? 1400 mostly white field as young as 11 were raped, beaten and tortured by gangs if Pakistani men from 1997 to 2013 and the authorities knew about it but didn't do anything because they were afraid of being called racist. The rapists chose white girls as their victims because they were white and seen as easy meat. In other words 1400 mostly white girls were raped , tortured and beaten for 16 years because they were white!. How is 16 years of abuse ok? How is that privilege?.
Dilara says2015-05-11T17:29:44.0064560-05:00
Stefy some people do have it harder than me. People whose husbands are hammered to death, people who are raped for 16 years... Does it occur to you that being white can be a disadvantage? Many poor, unhealthy people with domestic violence have life harder than me
Dilara says2015-05-11T17:32:38.9070629-05:00
Stefy. Read the article I linked in my last poll. So 1400 girls being raped for over a decade and no one stopping it because of their race isnt a problem? 1000+ anti white hate crimes a year aren't problems either? I don't deny that there are more disadvantages that cone with being a minority than that come with being white but there are some that come with being white.
heil84 says2015-05-11T18:25:55.7409908-05:00
Oh yeah dilara don't forget karl marx wanted to exterminate certain white group that were generally more dominant at the time. He had the same mindset as Stefy. He thought the tsars, powerful christian groups, germans, capitalist elite were being too rude to inferiors such as the lower class. He actually thought that because the dominant classes were a threat to equality, he tried to exterminate them.
briantheliberal says2015-05-11T18:54:19.2436711-05:00
Being white is not a magic shield against tragedy, Dilara. One thing you forgot to add about all the cases you mentioned... All of the non-white people perpetrators involved ARE IN JAIL. They have been convicted for their crimes. So all of this "I am a victim because I am white" bullsh-t that you keep trying to force down people's throats has to stop because it's not true. You are way to whitewashed for anyone to have a rational discussion with you about this topic and I am convinced that you may have some psychological issues.
tajshar2k says2015-05-11T19:10:18.1891826-05:00
In some parts of the world, whites are treated like sh*t. It nowhere near the abuse against blacks, but it can be a disadvantage in certain circumstances.
Dilara says2015-05-11T19:11:50.7569501-05:00
Brian. It took 16 years for the Rotherham police to arrest those men. The police and local authorities were aware of the rapes and beatings that men were putting 1400 girls through but ignored it because most of the girls were white and the rapists were Asian and they didn't want to sound racist. I'm muslim bf I'm aware that not all Muslims and Pakistanis do this sick stuff. Most of us are just as sickened by it as any Christian, Jew, black or white. The men also abused other Pakistani girls.
briantheliberal says2015-05-11T19:11:56.7163411-05:00
Tajshar2k, you're right. I was speaking mainly from an American/Western perspective.
briantheliberal says2015-05-11T19:13:36.6150901-05:00
"but ignored it because most of the girls were white and the rapists were Asian and they didn't want to sound racist." - Where is the evidence proving that any of this is true?
Stefy says2015-05-11T19:22:43.4142750-05:00
White people can be disadvantaged. Very disadvantaged. But they are not at a disadvantage because they are white to nearly the extent that this is true for minorities. Mister_Man: Yeah well youre sexist so ok. And i dont favor minorities i just recognize that they are at a disadvantage in US society.
Stefy says2015-05-11T19:26:02.7366729-05:00
Dilara: You are always trying to make the point that white privilege is not an issue in america. You use this example which is from Pakistan where the racial conditions and relations are completely different to show that whites have it hard uniquly because of their race everywhere in the world which is not true. Your using this example to try and silence the voices of those who speak out against white privilege in the US where it actually is a problem unlike places where whites are a minority and dont have most the financial and political power.
Stefy says2015-05-11T19:28:36.6450049-05:00
Btw Mister_Man im white too im not anti my own race. And Dilara doesnt it bother you at all that one of the people here thats in total agreement with you is heil the self proclaimed neo nazi? I know your not anywhere near half as extreme as him but that has got to tell you something.
Dilara says2015-05-11T19:29:47.8149157-05:00
News.Sky.Com/story/1324952/horrific-cases-of-child-abuse-in-rotherham The articles called 'horrific cases of child abuse in Rotherham. It's by sky news. Just google sky news Rotherham
Dilara says2015-05-11T19:32:22.3292397-05:00
Stefy. Read the article I linked in my last comment to Brian. This scandal happened in England. Rotherham id a town in South Yorkshire England. The rapists were Pakistani-British and their victims were white British
Dilara says2015-05-11T19:32:53.7360465-05:00
And England is in Europe where whites have most power.
Dilara says2015-05-11T19:34:47.1912844-05:00
And a black panther would agree with you. My family lived in nazi work camps. The neo nazis are such...
heil84 says2015-05-11T19:34:48.7045329-05:00
But stefy you're discriminating against people that have a certain belief when you say "heil the self proclaimed neo nazi? I know your not anywhere near half as extreme as him but that has got to tell you something."
Stefy says2015-05-11T21:24:05.0902031-05:00
Hey heil i dont care about anything you have to say in any capacity ok? Dilara: I did make a mistake there. But i still stamd by everything i have said regarding thw white privilege dynamic. Being white doesnt mean you cant be disadvantaged or have bad thigs happened to you. But they do not happen on a large and systematic scale uniquely because of your race. If there was any disprivilege here it was because they were female.
Dilara says2015-05-11T21:33:46.6878495-05:00
Sophia. I didn't say being oppressed I says comes with some disadvantages
Sophia13 says2015-05-11T21:37:20.4952777-05:00
Some, I suppose. But far less than any other races.
Dilara says2015-05-11T21:38:02.5843475-05:00
Stefy. The rapists targeted mostly white girls because they were white and therefor seen as easy meat. Authorities knew about the abuse but allowed it to continue for 16 years because the rapists were Asian and the victims were mostly white and they were afraid of being called racist, these girls-1400 were raped, beaten, trafficked, tortured for 16 years because they were white.
Stefy says2015-05-11T21:38:05.4223452-05:00
^There we go. Dilara that is what white privilege is.
Dilara says2015-05-11T21:39:51.6415503-05:00
That depends. In Rotherham England no because if your a white girl there you can expect to be sexually abused for 16 years and not be helped by the authorities because your white.
Dilara says2015-05-11T21:42:35.8372139-05:00
See when being white leads to 16 years of sexual abuse your whiteness is a disadvantage.
Stefy says2015-05-11T22:15:13.1334458-05:00
Being white didnt lead to that. Being white in england you dont "expect" this to happen. White people face less of the disadvantages that directly result from race than minorities do. Its just true. It doesnt mean there are no disadvantages. It means there are far less than minorities face. Just because domething horrible happened to these girls does not mean that there is not white privilege, as in monorities face a higher amount of racially based difficulties.
briantheliberal says2015-05-11T22:24:21.3065433-05:00
^ Thank you Stefy. Just because very few white people experience tragedy based specifically on the color of their skin, doesn't mean white privilege doesn't exist. It does exist, and Dilara even admitted it before.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T14:14:47.8032249-05:00
We shouldnt go making any crazy changes over a few black incidents either.
Dilara says2015-05-12T14:22:12.5664100-05:00
Brian. 1400 girls were abused for 16 years because they were white. That's not very little. Especially when you consider the details of the abuse. One was doused in gasoline and threatened to be set on fire is she told anyone what was happening. Other girls were made to watch gang rapes and were told that if they told anyone what was happening they would be next. They were trafficked to other north english towns to be abused by more men. Some told bbc they were raped almost every day. And they were as young as 11 when this happened they were so young they will have a hard time Moving on from the abuse. Many were all ready from working class dysfunctional families were disadvantaged. When they told authorities what was happening they were called liars and sent back to the rapists. Police man even arrested a girl he saw being raped and let the rapist go free. When a group of fathers went to the house where they knew their daughters were being abused the fathers were arrested and not the rapists. Police men saw many of the rapes and ignored them. These girls are going to struggle with the physical and emotional scars of their beatings and rapes for years and years. And in England this kind of stuff is fairly common. In rochdale England and Oxford England the same thing happened where hundreds of mostly white girls were abused by gangs of Pakistani men. I'm not denying that minorities have disadvantaged (like in Native American reservation where white men rape native women because neither the tribal or federal courts can't prosecute them) but in some cases they have advantages and whites are the disadvantaged.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:25:14.7128621-05:00
A few? Try one black teen killed by police every 23 hours. Or the shocking 90% of stop and frisk racial profiling incidences made by police every year in New York City alone. Need I go on? Or is that enough to cover your ignorance "FreedomBeforeEquality" ?
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:36:51.5275094-05:00
Dilara, there is no systemic oppression or disadvantages against white people, no matter how many cases you repeat over and over. There is also no evidence that all of the girls involved were white or if the scandal was even racially motivated, and I have read several articles about this incident. The only race factor involved here is the fact that the men involved were Pakistani, but that is all. Not to mention, a large percentage of the men taking part in the sex trafficking were more likely white British men, of all socioeconomic backgrounds, many of which also travel outside of the country to rape non-white underage girls in developing and impoverished countries, something also often ignored by law enforcement in the UK and United States. Overall, this is just another case of race baiting.
Dilara says2015-05-12T14:37:57.8116535-05:00
Brian. Are all those black teens killed every 23 hours unarmed? And there are 7000 black in black gang related murderers a year. Much more common than police on black. And 400 black own white murderers a year. Much more common than police on black murderers also.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T14:45:58.2759765-05:00
Nope ... Not enough incidents. For every one of those people there were multitudes more standing around able to take pictures and video of it for you to watch. The statistics should scare you, yes, but the way youre reacting to the data is just wrong. If I saw that 90% of incidents were being caused by certain people, I think I'd start to fix the problem by targeting those offenders vs. Looking toward the outside, trying to halt those offenses from being reported on a particular offending group just to flatten a statistic a bit.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:46:26.4845000-05:00
Dilara, what is your point? In the last year approximately 44% of blacks shot by police were unarmed. 27% of them were claimed by Law Enforcement to have Gun at the time of the shooting, but that could not be later confirmed or the "gun" was in fact, a toy or other non-lethal object. 20% of them were confirmed to have been armed with a gun, knife or cutting tool of some kind - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/24/1324132/-How-Often-are-Unarmed-Black-Men-Shot-Down-By-Police# - Mentioning gang violence among blacks is nothing more than a petty deflection, a red herring. It doesn't counter-argue or refute anything I said, and surely doesn't negate the existence of racial bias and profiling among law enforcement. According to the FBI almost 90% of all whites are also killed by OTHER whites. Why? Because, like blacks and Latinos, they tend to live in the same proximity and are therefore more likely to be killed by another white person.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:47:58.4325138-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality, I see a lot of denial and no evidence.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T14:48:06.1070250-05:00
"Try one black teen killed by police every 23 hours." Each one resisting arrest.
Dilara says2015-05-12T14:49:38.7811836-05:00
Brian even the bbc acknowledges that most of the victims were white. The report by professor Alexis jay says that most if the victims were whiteZ https://m.Youtube.Com/watch?V=7zhMKTKuDNI
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:50:11.4584731-05:00
Again, provide evidence proving that statement. And while we are at it, please feel free to let me know when resisting arrest was worthy of a death sentence?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T14:51:50.6914012-05:00
I don't see any evidence of wrong doing either. Im just stating why I think we take the course of action that we do to prevent future crime. I don't see any merit in your form of justice.
Dilara says2015-05-12T14:52:27.5844552-05:00
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734694/It-hard-appalling-nature-abuse-child-victims-suffered-1-400-children-sexually-exploited-just-one-town-16/year-period-report-reveals.html
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:54:21.9926416-05:00
Dilara, "bbc acknowledges that most of the victims were white" - Oh so you admit that not ALL of the girls were white and therefore there is no direct indication that the crimes committed against them were racially motivated? You are race baiting, plain and simple. You are taking a tragedy, distorting data and information in attempt to paint white girls as a whole as "victims of oppression" which is not only wrong, it's sadistic and disrespectful to every last one of those girls whose stories you are taking advantage of for your agenda.
Dilara says2015-05-12T14:56:21.3673606-05:00
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhMKTKuDNI
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T14:56:43.3286416-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality, "I don't see any evidence of wrong doing either." - I provided several links proving exactly what I said. Here they are again in case you missed them - http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/24/1324132/-How-Often-are-Unarmed-Black-Men-Shot-Down-By-Police# - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/13/heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-stop-and-frisk-and-why-the-courts-shut-it-down/
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:00:39.7635986-05:00
Watch the bbc documentary about Rotherham that I linked in my last comment. The girls who are interviewed tell of the rapists calling them " white b**** " while raping them. The majority of the victims were white. Authorities were afraid of being called racist (white girls and Pakistani men) therefore didn't do anything to stop the abuse. Because they were white and their rapists Asian council and police allowed it to continue for 16 years.
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:01:34.1123821-05:00
And if you charge a cop you braught your death on your self
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:06:00.3766136-05:00
En.M.Wikipedia.Org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal The Wikipedia article on Rotherham And I bet you were reading articles where they didn't mention the victims races because they didn't want people to know the victims were white
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T15:09:48.9922771-05:00
"And while we are at it, please feel free to let me know when resisting arrest was worthy of a death sentence?" Because if your intent is to arrest someone ... They've already committed some sort of offense. Then they resist. In their resistance they demonstrate a behavior that is dangerous to all surrounding normal people. Were this person to escape they would conceivably be a danger to these people. Therefore, force applied to protect others is warranted. Especially if they have a gun or weapon ... Not entirely necessary though since on the loose they could procure one quite easily. Active resistance and active aggression is key.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:14:30.1238875-05:00
Dilara, that still does not prove that the crimes themselves were committed specifically because the victims were white. Unless you provide solid evidence indicating that the perpetrators specifically targeted young white girls BECAUSE they were white, it wasn't racially motivated. If there were other girls involved in the case that were not white, that also excludes the entire "race scandal" scenario. Focusing only on the fact that most of them were white, while ignoring the non-white victims who also suffered, and using that as an excuse to claim they were victims of racism is intellectually, ethically, and morally dishonest. Those girls were targeted because they were poor, female and easy targets of violence and exploitation, not because of their skin color. Have you also forgotten the fact that the majority of people in the UK are also white and that may have something to do with most of the victims being white themselves?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-12T15:17:41.9979040-05:00
"Focusing only on the fact that most of them were white, while ignoring the non-white victims who also suffered, and using that as an excuse to claim they were victims of racism is intellectually, ethically, and morally dishonest." Guess what color the other 10% of NYC's stop and frisks were? Far too much focus on the fact that most were black, right?
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:21:05.7276339-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality, "In their resistance they demonstrate a behavior that is dangerous to all surrounding normal people." - Wrong. In order for a police officer to justifiably kill someone they apprehend, they must be an immediate danger to either themselves or surrounding bystanders. Running away, or struggling is NOT a death worthy crime. This is America, we don't execute anyone whenever we feel like. And you still haven't provided any evidence proving that every last one of those unarmed black men shot and killed were resisting arrest or an immediate danger. I'm waiting.
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:25:21.1717873-05:00
Brian. The authorities knew what was happening. The authorities refused to report it or stop it because they were afraid if being called racist. They were afraid they would be called racist because the victims were mostly white and the rapists were all Asian.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:25:45.3857012-05:00
FreedomBeforeEquality, "Guess what color the other 10% of NYC's stop and frisks were? Far too much focus on the fact that most were black, right?" - Stop with these ridiculous straw man and red herrings. 10% of those stopped and frisked were white, but 90% were not, which means minorities are wrongfully targeted and racially profiled, THAT is the issue. Whites make up 33% of the overall population, the largest population, yet were stopped and frisked significantly and disproportionately less than blacks and Latinos whose populations are 25% and 29% respectively but they make up 90% of all stop and frisks. White people aren't the victims in this situation, but you tried and failed once again.
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:27:34.1658958-05:00
Also yes the girls who were raped and beaten every day for over a decade were mostly poor, from dysfunctional families and venerable to abuse. Some even lived in social homes. Some of The Pakistani victims were relatives of or family friends of the rapists.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:27:37.0675330-05:00
Dilara, "The authorities knew what was happening." - Then blame the authorities for not stepping up and taking action against those a--holes, but don't take advantage of the fact that the majority of the victims were white to fuel your agenda, that's wrong.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:30:34.4886076-05:00
Now, don't get me wrong Dilara, I understand why you feel the way you do. I am fully aware that there are crimes committed against white people and they are wrong, and people should be aware of them, but you cannot take advantage of the victims of these crimes, and use their race as a way to deny systematic oppression and silence those who speak out against it. If you want to talk more about this you are more than welcome to message me privately about this.
Dilara says2015-05-12T15:37:15.3045462-05:00
Sure :) And the reason the authorities ignored it was because the victims were white she the rapists were Asian. So being white had a direct negative affect on tnem. I'm not trying to silence anyone. I'm just showing how being white can be a disadvantage. It's an advantage a lot of the time but not always.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T15:46:30.5312644-05:00
But Dilara, that is exactly what it sounds like when you bring up cases like this any time someone argues about white privilege or racial bias or systematic oppression and discrimination. It comes off as you trying to silence people. And I admit, I was really frustrated with that in the past because I didn't know or understand your point of view and didn't know how to talk to you because I felt you weren't listening to anything I was saying. It may not be your intentions, but that is how I and a few others here take it. I am hoping that you understand where we are coming from and realize that we aren't trying to ignore crimes against white people or treat them like they don't matter, especially myself. You are clearly a nice person and your intentions aren't in malice, I just hope we both have a better understanding.
Dilara says2015-05-12T16:01:34.3995339-05:00
I see. I'm aware if the advantages one gets for being white. But still it can be a disadvantage and lead to 16 years of abuse in the case of Rotherham, being hammered to death in the case of zemir begic or other things. White people deal with racism, not as much as other groups but still, racism can affect whites. And it's frustrating how the news doesn't report minority on white crime but over reports white on minority crime.
briantheliberal says2015-05-12T16:13:32.6556606-05:00
Dilara, but you have to understand why those crimes are being reported on such a large scale. It's more than just the victim being black and the person who killed them being white. It's a systemic issue brought on by decades of unjustified murders of black people being ignored, and their white murderers never facing justice. First of all, the mainstream media reports what makes them more money, and in light of the recent protests they took advantage of the issue. That is why you hear about them more often. But in reality, most of them you don't hear about. In fact, the same can be said about most white on white crimes, black on black crimes, and black on white crimes. Too many of them happen, and the mainstream media will probably focus on about 10 interesting stories a year. I understand your frustration, but it has nothing to do with the victims being white. All of the cases you mentioned where the victims were white and their murderers were not, their murderers are in prison, serving long sentences for their crimes. The same cannot be said about cases where the victims were black, especially if their murderer is a white law enforcement officer.
Dilara says2015-05-12T17:04:31.2464728-05:00
What are some examples?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-13T09:27:37.9299240-05:00
"Stop with these ridiculous straw man and red herrings." Oh it's a red herring to call you out on a double standard. My bad.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-13T09:30:47.7759957-05:00
"which means minorities are wrongfully targeted and racially profiled" Your statistic didn't automatically confirm that any of that was wrongful either. Each one of those stops were case bay case issues that amounted to your failed interpretation of the data. Not once did the number 90% say whether guilt was a factor there. You're just reading way too far into limited data is all. Happens to the best of us.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-05-13T09:41:02.2657552-05:00
"The same cannot be said about cases where the victims were black, especially if their murderer is a white law enforcement officer." Lemme ask you this then. Do you think that having the media focus on a particular group as 'interesting', and having the case televised, increases the chance that a cop will go to jail in the event of one of those crimes? Vs. The crime being kept out of the lime light? If so, then racially charging the media to aid in the justice serving process is just flat out wrong. It's instituting a form of mob rule that leans toward a particular group. There is really no good way to affect something like justice through the hands of racists (people who think the problem lies in race and the solution should apply to particular race).
WNdebater says2015-05-14T16:52:24.6476162-05:00
Links about South Africa: http://southafricatoday.net/south-africa-news/genocide-in-south-africa/ http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/south-africa-white-genocide-escalates-international-groups-seek-solution/ These charts show the effects of affirmative action beyond a shadow of a doubt. https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/157998/mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html
Dilara says2015-06-05T22:09:58.7478315-05:00
WN debater you couldn't have said it better

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