Can you "disagree" with a person being white?

Posted by: briantheliberal

By "white" I mean the racial classification. Can someone disagree with some else's "whiteness"? Just curious. What do you think? How does this work? Seeing as actually being born a white person is not necessarily an idea (even though the concept of race itself is an idea.)

  • Yes. You can disagree with someone being white.

  • No. You cannot disagree with someone being white.

33% 4 votes
67% 8 votes
  • Another bologna poll. I disagree with you

  • I think this depends upon someone's definition of "whiteness". If somebody identifies as white, you can't disagree with that, because that is a personal manifestation of their identity, similar to how you can't deny someone who identifies as gay, straight, trans, pan etc. Now if somebody is arguing that they are biologically Caucasian when in fact they are not biologically Caucasian (for the sake of argument let's assume the person in question is African American in heritage for many, many generations) then I believe you can disagree. Problem is with race the term is interchangeably to talk of not just physical differences but also cultural parts too. An African American can identify as white without disagreement, but this does not mean they suddenly meet the criteria for physical classification as Caucasian were it to be called into question. So I would disagree with their whiteness if they claimed in this respect, but not in the way of identified experience perhaps.

  • Oh my God Karen, you can't just ask people why they're white!

  • Disagreements are usually for arguments, statements and actions. One can not just disagree with a person's race.

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UtherPenguin says2015-12-05T18:29:01.0671340Z
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXovJSCc6M0
briantheliberal says2015-12-05T18:48:20.4663037Z
Death23, "Another bologna poll. I disagree with you" - Yet you haven't explained why with an actual argument. You sure your position isn't bologna and that's why you fail to support it using logic?
Death23 says2015-12-05T18:52:55.1347412Z
Nobody is "disagreeing" with a person being homosexual. That's a straw man. People disagreeing with something else and you just haven't found out what it is.
briantheliberal says2015-12-05T19:02:07.4850076Z
Death23, Straw man of whom exactly? I was clearly referring to certain, specific people who DO say things like that. For example - http://www.debate.org/forums/society/topic/77507/ - And I clearly made note of that in the description, but apparently, and unsurprisingly, you lack the sufficient reading skills to fully comprehend that and took it personally by making it about yourself.
Death23 says2015-12-05T19:38:21.5896165Z
I read the guy's post and I don't see where he said anything that supports your contention.
briantheliberal says2015-12-05T19:44:58.0088398Z
He said in the first post, and I quote "I simply disagree with homosexuality" which doesn't make sense considering homosexuality is not an opinion or idea capable of being disagreed with. I hear similar things like "I don't hate gays, I just don't agree with them being gay". How is this possible? You voted 'yes' so be prepared to support your position.
Death23 says2015-12-05T20:21:50.3161411Z
Yeah, he said that, but you're interpreting that statement in a vacuum. The overall theme of his post was a general disapproval of a homosexual lifestyle along with a criticism of an alleged cavalier use of the term homophobia. Right before he said "I simply disagree with homosexuality", he also said that "I personally disagree with the lifestyle choices of homosexuals". It's unlikely that he intended to communicate that he literally "disagrees with homosexuality". He probably meant that he "disagrees with [a homosexual lifestyle]", even though he didn't say that. It looks more like bad writing than it does a ludicrous position.
Death23 says2015-12-05T20:22:16.7298913Z
Yeah, he said that, but you're interpreting that statement in a vacuum. The overall theme of his post was a general disapproval of a homosexual lifestyle along with a criticism of an alleged cavalier use of the term homophobia. Right before he said "I simply disagree with homosexuality", he also said that "I personally disagree with the lifestyle choices of homosexuals". It's unlikely that he intended to communicate that he literally "disagrees with homosexuality". He probably meant that he "disagrees with [a homosexual lifestyle]", even though he didn't say that. It looks more like bad writing than it does a ludicrous position.
briantheliberal says2015-12-05T21:16:52.4315905Z
"The overall theme of his post was a general disapproval of a homosexual lifestyle" - Okay so describe, in detail, exactly what this "homosexual lifestyle" consists of. How do all homosexuals supposedly live their lives as a whole? What do all homosexuals have in common with one another with the exception of the fact that they are attracted to the same sex? When you are able to answer these questions, then your point will be considered valid, otherwise my point still stands. You cannot disagree with homosexuality as it is not an idea, opinion, or position. I am genuinely eager to read your response to the questions I asked.
briantheliberal says2015-12-05T21:19:15.5138733Z
Also, is there a heterosexual lifestyle? If not, why? If so, feel free to explain what that consists of as well. How do all heterosexuals live their lives in accordance with one another? What do ALL heterosexuals have in common besides the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex?
Death23 says2015-12-05T23:01:36.8669054Z
Stopped caring
briantheliberal says2015-12-06T00:18:29.9228354Z
Death23, "Stopped caring" - Translation: "I am unable to support myself in this argument so to avoid frustration and utter embarrassment, I will avoid refutation."
Wylted says2015-12-09T15:55:05.5772469Z
What the hell is this poll about? Why would I care who identifies as white?

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