Communism or Capitalism

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Which is better communism or Capitalism?

Poll closed on 9/16/2015 at 12:00PM.
  • Communism

  • Capitalism

30% 7 votes
70% 16 votes
  • If we're talking what Communism is SUPPOSED to be, then Communism all the way. However, if we're talking about what these two systems turn into in practical application, then Capitalism is better. This poll is a hypothetical, though, so I think that I'm free to choose the hypothetical Communist ideal.

  • The one that actually works of course. It also happens to be the one that best represents the way humans are and natural law. Its also the least complex of the two, the most efficient of the two, and can even incorporate into mixed governments/social systems the easiest in varying levels without demanding that all other aspects of said social system convert to capitalism for it to still work effectively.

  • Communism sounds great on paper, but it's too idealistic and not realistic. Eventually, it fails and usually results in a very totalitarian government.

  • deja vu

  • Currently capitalist policies are better suited to our world.

  • Freedom trumps every time.

  • Well considering the fact that communism doesn't work........ Neither really is good. However, Capitalism makes us money... so eh.

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chandlerrouse says2015-09-15T02:57:07.7782989Z
Neither. Both of these extreme economic systems have only been used in a negative light by communist dictator regimes and capitalist greed driven faux democracy regime. Socialism with some privatization has been the only successful and long lasting model that hasn't driven people into homelessness, racism, division, joblessness, stagnated income for 30+ years, lack of innovation, lack of education, derailing of morals, perversion of faith, and a warmongering imperialist nation of hypocrites who have been in two criminal wars 14 years.
triangle.128k says2015-09-15T03:31:05.6117497Z
@chandlerrouse "socialism with some privatization has been the only successful and long lasting model" That's why an economy leaning to Capitalism has driven USA to become an economic superpower.
58539672 says2015-09-15T03:54:05.7791377Z
@triangle.128k Don't forget the rest of western society. Or all those wealthy asian-pacific nations that seem to be doing well with capitalism.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T13:32:29.8856028Z
@chandlerrouse Socialism has literally done all of those things youve listed. Your entire statement would be correct save for the part about "Socialism with some privatization" where you had things backwards. Privatization with some socialism is more like it, and has been proven the most successful of any.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T13:33:46.0467556Z
I mean, name one country you call successful that has a majority stake in socialism (i.E. A tax rate of over 50%).
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T13:34:08.1213216Z
I mean, name one country you call successful that has a majority stake in socialism (i.E. A tax rate of over 50%).
biggest_pro_going says2015-09-15T16:48:18.4380646Z
Cuba is fairly successful. The USSR had the biggest army of its time. China has the most trade and will soon have the biggest economy. People in Vietnam and Laos are generally happy and don't have bad lives. Except from North Korea -that is juts a dictatorship not really a commie- communist countries are not doing to bad.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T17:10:19.4939053Z
Cuba is right at 50% for its citizens ... 30% for corporations. China is anywhere from 3% to 45%. Vietnam is flat at 20%. Laos 24%. None of those places is providing more towards socialism than it is towards capitalism (i.E. More money goes to the individual than to the state).
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T17:11:48.7593941Z
All successful countries are generally more capitalist than they are socialist in nature. Even the ones you think of as being super socialist are nowhere near total communism.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-15T17:12:12.8620121Z
All successful countries are generally more capitalist than they are socialist in nature. Even the ones you think of as being super socialist are nowhere near total communism.
58539672 says2015-09-15T17:30:35.4514829Z
@biggest_pro_going Plus the USSR failed remember. China, Vietnam, and Laos have all been transferring more to capitalism and have experienced massive growth because of it. Cuba could be argued to be successful, but only by the standards of other Caribbean islands. Get into the rest of the developed world and they are still largely in poverty.
biggest_pro_going says2015-09-16T19:01:55.4007811Z
I know the USSR died i was saying while it was still around it was strong. Freedom Before Equality i know these countries are not completely communist but what is America like 1%? And China Vietnam and Laos are not getting more capitalist they are communist u don't say Britain is getting more communist because labor wins the vote.
triangle.128k says2015-09-16T19:18:49.5359839Z
There are a bunch of private businesses in China. There's more income inequality there than in America. Sounds like Capitalism to me.
58539672 says2015-09-16T19:36:14.1261211Z
@biggest_pro_going Back in 1986, The sixth National Congress of Vietnam issued some economic reform trying to promote more private ownership in industries, commerce and agriculture. These reforms are credited with Vietnams economic growth (on average 7%) for the next several decades. Laos is even further toward Capitalism, with large portions of their economy relying heavily on foreign investments and aid. In 2009, the Obama Administration declared Laos to no longer adhere to Marxist-Leninist policy and lifted several trade restrictions. China has had the greatest shift in policy of all of them. After Moa's death, the new Chinese leadership did major economic reform in 1978. Farmlands were privatized, foreign companies allowed to invest in the country, and an open endorsement of private industry. In 2008, China had 30 million private businesses. Today they are considered a mixed-economy, command economy, or state capitalism. Which ever word works best for you.
triangle.128k says2015-09-16T20:44:26.2975820Z
@58539672 Isn't a command economy basically like Leninist communism?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-16T20:46:02.0353957Z
"u don't say Britain is getting more communist because labor wins the vote." I would say exactly that. I would say that a Labor Party win is pushing that percentage more towards the tipping point to the failure that is Communism. Absolutely. Those places at 45 an 50% are teetering. Living on borrowed time.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-16T20:50:20.2638510Z
And America is something like 20-30% (median tax rate). Average is somewhere around 18-20%. Some of the richest pay closer to 40%. Its a progressive system though, so although its average is low ... It is worse than a flat rate of some higher average in terms of Socialism.
biggest_pro_going says2015-09-16T21:17:30.9427713Z
All you are saying is the communist countries are not communist. Not that they are weak or unsuccessful. Also i don't think the single factor which effects how communist a country is is its tax rate per person (America is the least communist country ever, it only has a high tax rate because the government needs lots of money)
58539672 says2015-09-16T21:22:29.3098166Z
@triangle.128k Not quite. A command economy is a key feature of Communism, but it is not identical. Command economies, or Planned Economies as they are often called, are simply economies were a central authority regulates or "plans" the means of production and investment. It does not mean the government owns all the property, just that they heavily regulate its structure. To the absolute extreme this turns into Communism, but to the opposite end of the spectrum you have Indicative Planning (the use of Subsidies, Grants, and Taxes to regulate production and investment), which is often used in Mixed economies. So a nation (like China) can be a Command economy while still having Capitalism.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-17T14:44:11.0333857Z
"America is the least communist country ever, it only has a high tax rate because the government needs lots of money." Tax is the key factor/indicator of communism. Its also directly proportional to a cultures leaning toward communist ideals. If people feel that some should be provided for over others ... It is reflected in the US tax code.
biggest_pro_going says2015-09-17T14:52:51.3279209Z
Look the USA has private every thing. It is one of the least communist countries in the world. It created the Taliban and made militarily coups in the name of stopping communism. Nobody with any sense thinks the US is communist and Cuba is not. Its just a fact. The USA is the most ant communist country in the world.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-17T14:59:39.5513377Z
I mean really ... Think about why they might need so much money. It becomes pretty apparent that it isnt all being used for the sole purpose of protecting its citizens. It doesnt take <12% of your income to maintain sovereignty over another nation. Where is the rest of it going. To useless fluff/socialist policies. We collect 6 trillion in tax revenue and only allocate a little over half of 1 trillion towards defense spending. In fact it could even take less than 12% if you dont mind not being at the very top of the military ladder. You can still remain safe and sovereign without spending half that, probably.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-17T15:01:21.9035938Z
Correction: I meant to say it doesnt take >12% in taxes to do it.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-09-17T15:07:52.2648961Z
"Its just a fact. The USA is the most ant communist country in the world." Thats a ruse that our progressive tax model hides from people. If you were in that 40% area you wouldnt feel that way. The way they have it structured, they are able to artificially make it seem like its not socialist by offering the same level of gov't programs/support on a lower tax average for the majority of Americans. Most of them dont even know who they are stealing from until they start to rise out of their class or try and start a business. Thats why there is so much contention there. They think its because the system wasnt providing for them in the levels as it had been back when they were closer to average on the tax bracket ... But it really just puts a wall around those people in terms of upward social mobility that they then cant overcome. You cant have your cake and eat it to ... As it seems.
liam2002 says2015-12-01T02:00:58.7572287Z
I choose Communism
liam2002 says2016-06-29T00:37:05.1683818Z
Capitalism is beter
liam2002 says2016-06-29T00:38:02.3902822Z
Communism is bad
liam2002 says2016-06-30T18:10:00.9323637Z
I actually choose capitalism

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