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  • Why are children so unruly these days? Because of the lack of repercussions.

    Posted by: mdmark
  • People equate pain with bad things. If you do something bad, we'll hurt you. Maybe you won't do it next time, m'kay?

  • It's appropriate up to a certain degree. Personally, I like to work 'em instead of beat them, because they still feel physical pain and stress, but it's also more productive than violence. Then there are the parents who hit their children which is fine, just as long as they put a proportional amount of power into it according to the child's age. Children can't reason like adults can, most don't have the capability, the only forms of punishments that they (or most anyway) understand is pain and physical stress because they, for the most part, lack the ability to generate empathy for the people harmed by what they have done, so the punishment must be delivered by the punisher instead of the punisher letting the punished punish themselves, which would only work on rational adults, but even then wouldn't be very effective. Corporal punishment isn't very effective on teenagers because they are the size of adults which means a few things for the parent: a father isn't likely to resort to corporal punishment for his daughter because she now resembles a woman, someone culture tells him never to strike, and if you do use corporal punishment you have to put full or nearly full force because you are getting old and falling out of your prime while they are sinking in: they can take more pain than you can at that point, but if you literally beat them, then that is child abuse. Teenagers are also dreadfully narcissistic and short-sighted, so trying to make them feel bad, taking privileges, and stuff like that isn't likely to be effective either. That's why everyone hates teenagers.

  • Little kids need to be spanked sometimes. A light slap may also be acceptable. Other than that, no.

  • From eexperience, very effective.

  • In general, con.

  • How about fix the issue rather than the outcome. If you punish a child in such a manner, what then when they are older and leave that environment where the punishment no longer exists? They will continue to do whatever they were doing in the first place. CP does nothing

  • ... because rather than trying to teach a child that reason and diplomacy is the answer, teach them violence is how you solve your problems... explains most republicans

    Posted by: basils
  • There's other ways of punishment. Also you should educate children why something is bad.

  • Parents simply choose to hit their children because they don't know anything about their child or how to control them. Parents like my own never had to lay a finger on me for being unruly, so why do other act as if it's the only way? Hitting your children will only cause psychological damage to their child. The Huffington post says "However, there is overwhelming evidence that physical punishment is both ineffective and harmful to child development...Reporting on several studies on the topic for CNN, Sarah Kovac wrote, "The sad irony is that the more you physically punish your kids for their lack of self-control, the less they have...A 2012 study published in the journal Pediatrics found that "harsh physical punishment was associated with increased odds of mood disorders, anxiety disorders, alcohol and drug abuse/dependence, and several personality disorders." There is no question it is a terrible way to make children behave, and it doesn't do a very good job either.

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mishapqueen says2015-08-18T16:13:11.6723408Z
I was spanked my entire childhood and I turned out fine. My brother wasn't and he gets in more trouble now.
tajshar2k says2015-08-18T16:13:46.5229642Z
Ya the question is a bit vague, I don't mind spanking, but like beating your kid with a baseball bat is pretty screwed up.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T16:14:45.5381425Z
Exactly. There's a difference between beating and spanking.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T16:36:34.1261715Z
Studies still show it's bad for a child.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T16:38:01.0094283Z
Google it, there's studies proving why any type of physical action does more good than harm. That's why any physical punishment is considered child abuse in many countries.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T16:41:57.6050044Z
Children don't understand anything other than pain. Reasoning with them doesn't work. Try it.
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-08-18T16:46:13.3998441Z
This reminds me of a conversation between sadolite and JMK a while ago XD
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T16:55:45.7363129Z
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:06:05.0553031Z
@mishapqueen Go and read the studies, there are better ways to deal with children.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T17:10:32.5395975Z
@triangle, please don't assign me homework. I have a lot of practical experience.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:10:42.5266405Z
I didn't assign you homework -_- All I said was to read studies proving why corporal punishment of any kind is bad.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T17:13:27.6507200Z
I don't have the interest to look it up. Believe me, I've argued about this time and time again and have seen plenty of "studies".
Forthelulz says2015-08-18T17:15:56.0388712Z
Loving the biased images.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T17:16:45.7095896Z
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:18:19.3725900Z
@mishapqueen I guess you don't believe in progression and science.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:19:10.0573149Z
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:23:04.3567369Z
Even spanking is physical punishment, I could bring up countless other studies proving against physical punishment in literally any form.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T17:23:15.8212903Z
Apparently you never learned manners. Also there is a difference between spanking and hitting a child with a tree branch.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:25:02.7599758Z
I guess I don't know manners for wanting science and progression. Physical punishment teaches kids to be more aggressive.
mishapqueen says2015-08-18T17:26:24.5825003Z
I'm referring to your ad hominem. And no it doesn't. I'm not aggressive at all.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:27:38.7141755Z
It's a logical fallacy to say "i got abused, and I turned out fine." Carefully examining evidence, we can clearly see that physical punishment does more good than harm. One could say smoking isn't bad, because their great grandfather lived for 90 years even from smoking.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:29:32.5481052Z
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T17:30:52.0306147Z
You can deny it all you want from logical fallacies, and "personal experience." But there's countless science to go against physical punishment. By advocating child abuse, you advocate anti-science and anti-progression, sticking to "traditions."
Black-Jesus says2015-08-18T19:00:28.6050797Z
I meant to put this in my answer comment: However, corporal punishment is subjective: every child is different as every adult is different, there are better ways to raise children, I agree, but at the same time, corporal punish can sometimes be the optimal way, and you must respect one of the biggest tenants of parenting when you see a child being corporeally punished "don't tell other people how to raise their children". Now, this rule obviously doesn't apply if they are harming the child in an obvious or over-the-top manner, but it is extremely obnoxious for people to step in and tell you how you should handle your child, when the child is neither a victim nor a nuisance, as if said intervening person not only knows your child, but knows your child better and knows how to raise them better.
triangle.128k says2015-08-18T19:27:16.9285894Z
@Black-Jesus There's nothing wrong with telling other parents how to raise their children. Parents should raise their children in a good way, they shouldn't abuse them or anything.
Black-Jesus says2015-08-18T19:53:50.5139654Z
But as I said, there is nothing wrong with intervention if the child is being abused
TBR says2015-08-18T21:24:15.4135794Z
@mishapqueen - What do you mean reasoning doesn't work. Yes it does.
mdmark says2015-08-18T23:41:16.0422754Z
@triangle.128K The huffington post is not the best resource for scientific studies.And as for your statement "i guess you dont believe in science and advancements" I am a scientist and I still believe in corporal punishment.
TBR says2015-08-19T01:12:29.5346369Z
@mdmark - Well, if you looked at the reporting, you would see it had a number of links to studies. Further, as noted, if you look at the study's, there is little question that spanking is on the whole, not good.
tajshar2k says2015-08-19T01:13:29.1582191Z
Somethings kids need to be delt a bit harshly so they know its bad. I wouldn't mind slapping them lightly on their hand or spanking them.
triangle.128k says2015-08-19T01:59:40.9371868Z
@tajshar2k There are other ways to reason, Physical punishment may seem to work at first, but scientific studies have said there are negative and more long-term impacts.
TBR says2015-08-19T14:10:21.6571980Z
I stay on a fairly even-keel most of the time. So, when my son is doing something and I react, it not necessary for anything more. His trust in me is absolute at this point. Why would I dilute that trust?
Bluepaintcan123 says2015-09-13T18:56:46.7263931Z
Corporal punishment in every sense of the word will affect the child's development in a negative way. It has been proven to cause emotional and mental problems in a child. "What if we, as a society, could cut down on the incidence of mental illness by backing away from hitting, grabbing or pushing our children? That’s a prospect raised by a new study in Pediatrics, which finds that harsh physical punishment increases the risk of mental disorders — even when the punishment doesn’t stoop to the level of actual abuse."(1) I doesn't have to be abuse in order to hurt the child psychologically. (Also read the link below to get more information.) Also, think of this from the perspective of the child. Most of the time when they do something wrong, they don't even understand how bad it actually is. They haven't been in the world enough to understand consequences. Then suddenly the person they were raised by, the one they love and trust, decides to attack them. Of course attack is a bit of an exaggeration, but to a child it feels like that. There have been times I have accidentally bumped into or kicked a child and they would just sit there and cry as if I had beaten them up. They are very sensitive to being handled like this because they've never really experienced pain before. Not only that, but having experienced it from the person they trust the most in the world. That ruins them. Now they are sitting there sobbing because they are so confused and scared and their parent scolds them and yells at them to get up and go to their room. All of this because they didn't understand what they were doing. There are better ways to handle these situations. The fact that parents choose the easy way even though it will negatively affect their future is just selfish. You choose to bring this child into the world, and now you have to give them the best you can in order for them to consider respecting you. You need to understand how to be firm with your child, but also kind. If you really want them to feel guilty, then cry when they do something wrong. Tell them it makes you sad when they do things like that and explain why. Don't leave your children in the dark, because then they won't learn anything. If they break something, tell them you liked/loved that object. Just give them a good reason to listen to you. Showing them that you can handle problems without being impulsive could also change the way they handle problems. It will encourage them to think before acting, not to resort to fighting when they get upset, etc. You need to be a positive influence for your child in every aspect of their life. Talk with them and get personal when something happens. They might not end up as a bratty teenager if they are able to feel like they won't be judged or punished for what they think/do. You need to get onto an emotional level with them, be able to talk to them about everything under the sun. Show that you are not judgmental or bitter so that they won't. Listen to them and their needs, and show them you remember things about them. This is basic things for any relationship, not just with your child. Here are links since I'm too lazy to write out the facts, sorry :( (Also I just wrote "corporal punishment effects" and it automatically gave me negative effects of it. Physical punishment is clearly bad, and people are starting to recognize it.) (1) http://healthland.time.com/2012/07/02/physical-punishment-increases-your-kids-risk-of-mental-illness http://www.ciccparenting.org/newsletters/corporalpunishment.htm https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/great-kids-great-parents/201404/why-physical-punishment-does-not-work

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