Creation or evolution?

Posted by: Yahwehandjesuslover

Do you believe in a creator god or evoloution

Poll closed on 8/5/2014 at 12:00AM.
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ladiesman says2014-06-14T20:52:49.5466522-05:00
This is not black-and-white. I believe there is room for both.
16kadams says2014-06-14T21:27:20.2492455-05:00
Zero proof for evolution? 99% of scientists support evolution, and all of the criticisms for the theory have been responded to and or debunked... The entire fossil record proves evolution, as does genetics...
EthicsPhilosopher says2014-06-14T21:47:15.7484838-05:00
I agree with ladiesman.
inaudita says2014-06-14T23:14:12.6750346-05:00
We should just admit that both lack direct evidence, and anyways it matters not whether their is a god, as his life would lack meaning too.
discomfiting says2014-06-15T06:31:36.5756269-05:00
Dear creationists, Wake up and scrub yourself of the ignorance and bathe in the fountain of knowledge. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-15T18:33:18.0279835-05:00
@16kadams Everything you just said is pure BS. You can't back up any of it with evidence.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-15T18:35:18.7803845-05:00
"Dear creationists, Wake up and scrub yourself of the ignorance and bathe in the fountain of knowledge. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01" YAWWWWNNNN! Seen it before. You call that knowledge? It doesn't prove anything.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-15T20:05:22.6424096-05:00
@LittleBallofHAT Lol? It's ironic... A creationist asking for more proof when he reads a book and instantly believes. Doesn't prove anything? Does your Bible prove anything?
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-15T21:44:42.7155638-05:00
@PreferNotToBeLabeled There is no scientific evidence to back up Darwinian evolution. If there is, I'd love to see it. But there is none. This is a fact that even it's top supporters admit. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence for a Creator. Not my fault you dismiss it, out of hand.
lightingbolt50 says2014-06-15T21:52:11.6593702-05:00
Evoulution? I don't know what that is, but I support evolution.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-16T02:10:51.9103892-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE Well we're waiting. Where's your "plenty of evidence" or is it just empty words?
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-16T14:24:25.9042028-05:00
@PreferNotToBeLabeled I'm not going to play this game with you. Been through this before. I will not waste my time with you, because you don't want evidence. You want to argue. Now, you'll say something like 'See. He doesn't have any evidence!' But, if I provided evidence, you would simply insult me, call me a moron and dismiss the evidence; probably without even reading it. You want evidence for a Creator? Just open your eyes, and look at the universe that you live in. Order cannot come from chaos. Not without guidance. The universe, and everything in it, is ordered. It obeys laws and physical constants. Where did these laws come from? Did they create themselves? If you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
SamStevens says2014-06-16T14:58:45.6554557-05:00
@littleballofhate: What are your sources that state evolution has no evidence?
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-16T15:47:26.8674913-05:00
So, us arguing with each other is a waste of time? What website are we on? Oh, yeah debate.Org where you are suppose to argue! If this is all a waste of time for you then don't get on debate.Org. You dismiss evidence for evolution yet you say that the world is evidence for creation. Well two can play at that game. All organisms dead or alive are proof for evolution. Now is that really a sound argument to back creation?
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-16T16:48:52.1315254-05:00
"All organisms dead or alive are proof for evolution." HOW are they proof of evolution? I gave arguments for my statement. Where are yours?
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-16T16:59:00.3451068-05:00
@SamStevens https://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=FWMg2rdDplg I could give many more examples. The simple fact is that there is not one scrap of evidence to support macro evolution.
patrick967 says2014-06-16T22:10:15.7071842-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE "You want evidence for a Creator? Just open your eyes, and look at the universe that you live in." You want evidence for the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Go into an Italian restaurant, and look at a bowl of pasta.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-16T23:12:41.6098615-05:00
@patrick967 Let me know if you ever have something intelligent to say.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-16T23:16:23.9029790-05:00
As opposed to those who believe that everything just popped into existence? All by itself? Who's really deluded?
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-17T01:48:20.5448825-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE "Popped into existence" Uh what? It's theist who believe everything just popped into existence. Evolution is a process that takes millions of years. In the Bible the world and everything in it was made in just one week. As for the true origins of life, it is not know and probably will never be known. Evolution doesn't explain how life came to be just how it changes. I believe we will never be capable of explaining of life really came to be.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-17T02:09:53.1176635-05:00
Correction. Theists believe that an all powerful God created the universe. What else could possibly account for it? We live in a universe of cause and effect. Nothing happens without something, or someone causing it to happen. So. What caused the universe to exist?
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-17T13:04:06.3083155-05:00
We are not capable of understanding or explaining how the universe was created. To jump to conclusions and say a god created it would be ignorant of us.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-17T13:34:54.0210108-05:00
"To jump to conclusions and say a god created it would be ignorant of us." I could say the same thing about evolution. The simple fact is that there is really no scientific evidence to support the 'goo to you' theory. There is a ten thousand dollar prize for any scientist who can provide such evidence. It has remained unclaimed for several years. On the other hand, we have a historical record, called the Bible. Some claim that it's not a reliable source. They speak from ignorance. The Bible is internally consistent. It has never been proven to be in error about anything. Many claims have been made about contradictions, but there is always a plausible explanation for the supposed contradiction. Most of them can be shown to be simple ignorance of cultural and historical context, not to mention, Biblical context.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-18T00:09:16.1455545-05:00
Evolution isn't a jump to conclusions because it explains how life changes not how it was created. Creation on the other hand skips all logical thought and assumes since the universe is complex someone had to have created it. There are no trials or experiments. A theory has to go through all processes of the scientific method to be consider a valid theory. Creationism skips doing experiments. Therefore, I do not believe it should even be considered a theory alongside evolution which has gone through all processes of the scientific method.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-18T01:37:10.1768805-05:00
@PreferNotToBeLabeled You can't be serious. The scientific method can't even be used for evolution. It can't be falsified. Evolution is every bit as much of a fantasy as you claim Creation to be. At least with the Creation account we have a written record. Whether you believe it, or not.
GKING14 says2014-06-18T09:46:40.9600757-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE ... I am not sure where you are getting any of your information, but it is clear that your attitude towards knowledge is reflective of your username. I encourage you to take the time and put in some real effort in learning how evolution works and what it describes. Do not be close minded when it comes to knowledge, please.
GKING14 says2014-06-18T10:00:29.1558177-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE ... Here is all the evidence that you ever need. Http://evolution.Berkeley.Edu/evolibrary/search/topics.Php?Topic_id=14 http://www.Talkorigins.Org/origins/faqs-evolution.Html. Both of these sites are full of knowledge and substantiated, provable, facts.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-18T13:22:38.3667249-05:00
@GKING14 I am quite familiar with how evolution works. I've seen the evidence for it, and I find it lacking. So do many scientists. Evolution is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on humanity. Many scientists disagree with it, yet yet they do not speak out for fear of being attacked by their peers. People have lost tenure, and even their jobs, just for disagreeing with Uncle Darwin. BTW. There is a ten thousand dollar prize for anyone who can present real scientific evidence for evolution. It has remained unclaimed for several years. That's because there isn't any. Maybe you're the one who needs to reevaluate your beliefs.
Charliecdubs says2014-06-18T13:34:51.4046894-05:00
OK this guy has to be a troll lol
GKING14 says2014-06-18T14:02:09.5311777-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE ... I need you to give me the sources when you say things like "many scientists disagree with it" and "people have lost their tenure, event their jobs, just for disagreeing with Uncle Darwin. You've got to be able to back up what other people have said or have done. Unless there is proof somewhere that a whole bunch of scientists disagree with evolution, but are afraid to speak out for fear of losing their jobs and for people actually losing their jobs, for all we know, you could be making that stuff up. You also need to present the evidence regarding evolution you do not understand or don't accept and we will answer your questions. You've never once asked about something you didn't understand that we could have clarified for you. You're drawing conclusions too early, without all the facts. There is nothing threatening about the knowledge of gravity or the knowledge of atoms, but there is something threatening about evolutionary biology. All of these things are science and are held up to the same standards, so that means that the theory of evolution has been tested and proven to the point of becoming a theory, just like the theory of gravity was tested and proven becoming an actual theory. There is no difference between the two. Think about it.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-19T01:16:42.7608563-05:00
@GKING14 You claim that I don't have enough facts to make a decision. How could you possibly know this? I am very well read. I'm no scientists, but I can understand what other scientists talk about. I know a lot about evolution. I've been studying it for over ten years. Do you have any idea how complicated even the simplest cell is? They actually have microscopic motors that spin at ten thousand RPM's. They have tiny messengers that walk along pathways in the cell to deliver packages. They walk on two legs. These are just a few of the engineering marvels of the cell. The complexity is mind-boggling. We've just barely begun to understand what goes on in a cell. The information networks they use cannot even be modeled on a supercomputer. They are THAT complex. And evolutionists want us to believe it all happened by accident. I'm too smart to believe that. You can believe what you want, but I just don't buy it.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-19T17:05:24.1206215-05:00
Oh so since something is complex a god had to have created it... I'm so f*cking tired of hearing that as proof for creationism. We've been repeating ourselves countless times. You are failing to back up any such claims. Your words are without backing. So, for the last time give us some sources to backup all of your absurd claims.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-19T17:15:18.9892343-05:00
(Sorry for the double post. I left somethings out I wanted to say). You are constantly and purposefully avoiding almost everything we say and ask. We've been asking and you've been just going on a rant about something that is barely related to what we've said. The questions we ask are legit. You choice not to answer them because you cannot (at least that's the way it's looks).
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-19T17:52:53.8944606-05:00
I do not answer them, because the answers are obvious. I wonder. If intelligent design were not the only alternative theory, would people still believe in evolution. I think you believe in evolution, because you refuse to acknowledge that you are a sinner and must answer to God. Whatever lets you sleep at night. Besides. I'm tired of providing evidence, only to have atheists dismiss it out of hand. Usually they just try to discredit the source, instead of trying to refute the evidence. You people go on and on about all of the evidence for evolution. The simple fact is, there is none. Even some of it's top supporters admit that. They cling to the theory, "because the alternative is abhorrent to them." That's a quote. So. I don't provide evidence to people like you, because I already know what your reaction will be.
GKING14 says2014-06-20T07:51:42.6492199-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE ... You've studied evolution for 10 years, eh? Then why have you presented zero valid and logically sound arguments that refute evolution completely? I've been studying evolution for 1 year and I have 10 logically sound and completely verifiable arguments off the top of my head for why it is a fact and it happens in nature. You say there is no evidence for evolution, yet you have never explained or even attempted to show how all the evidence that we say there is, is faulty. You never addressed my invitation to provide the sources for which you are basing your arguments off of. You keep telling us that we will only "dismiss it" and try and "discredit the source", yet we have not demonstrated to you that we would do that. So why not give it a try and maybe we might change our minds. Yet ANOTHER point I would like to make is that if you are so educated regarding evolution why are you still saying things like "evolutionists think it all happened by accident"? Evolution is not concerned with the origin of life or the origin of the universe or anything of that sort. It only describes what happens in nature within species, not what happened before life started or what happened to cause the origin of life. This tells me that you don't really know too much about evolution. Along with all the other claims you make that most likely have no source and are just things to say to try and persuade an audience, I only have to conclude that your arguments are bogus and that your supposed "knowledge" of evolution is also bogus. Stop wasting our time or actually provide us with material to work with and a constructive conversation. We aren't here to spout opinion, we are here to debate and to learn. Start learning and teaching others or please leave this thread so you don't upset anyone else.
PreferNotToBeLabeled says2014-06-20T09:03:18.6015338-05:00
Ug I give up on him. He's ignoring everything we say. If he wants to see the truth he'll have to do it on his own. He's one of those hardcore "because God says" type of religious people. He chooses to ignore us...
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-20T23:32:09.1181869-05:00
@GKING14 The origin of life is part of the evolutionary process. Evolutionists distanced themselves from it, because they knew they had no way to explain how it happened. Life supposedly originated from lifeless chemicals. In other words, life 'evolved' from non-life. It's part of the evolutionary process. Evolutionists disowned it, because it might make their theory look bad. Not that it really needed any help.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-20T23:35:03.0232438-05:00
"Ug I give up on him. He's ignoring everything we say." You mean just like evolutionists ignore everything Creationists say? LOL. That's just too funny. Keep 'em coming.
GKING14 says2014-06-21T05:42:39.7455200-05:00
@LittleBallofHATE ... You're still avoiding my requests to provide me with sound arguments against evolution. I honestly can't understand your position on this unless I hear the arguments and then find them to be undeniably irrefutable. Give me something concrete that disproves everything in the theory of evolution. The origin of life, again I will say, is not part of evolution. Yes, biologists are curious about it, but it isn't part of the theory because it isn't relevant to the theory. And I must make a correction. Not even close to ALL people who accept evolution don't listen to opposing arguments. That wouldn't make them good scientists or debaters. The few who are stupid enough to not considered other possibilities give people like me a bad name. So try me. Give me your evidence. Oh wait, you probably don't have any since we've come this far and you've dodged the question at every possible point. Seriously though, present the evidence or stop arguing about it.
Charliecdubs says2014-06-21T10:33:17.6759377-05:00
Ok "little ball of hate" really has to be a troll. We accept evolution because we are sinners and don't want to deal with god? There is no way some one is that stupid. GO TROLL A DIFFERENT WEBSITE YOU GUYS RUIN EVERYTHING
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-21T13:05:38.1213574-05:00
You don't say. What I described is a well know psychological fact. It applies to situations other than faith. Someone believes something. This belief gives them comfort. They ignore anything that threatens this belief. I can't remember what the psych term is for this. The simple fact is that sin is fun. It's carefree. Whether or not the Bible is the truth, atheists see it as a threat to their peace of mind. It's really that simple.

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