Death Penalty and Abortion

Posted by: Black-Jesus

Do you support the death penalty and abortion?

48 Total Votes

Against Death Penalty, Pro-Choice

19 votes

Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Life

12 votes
1 comment

Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Choice

10 votes
1 comment

Against Death Penalty, Pro-Life

7 votes
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Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-05-03T12:18:49.6116670-05:00
Against death penalty, undecided on abortion
genesis9 says2015-05-03T12:24:19.0524551-05:00
Biased poll
genesis9 says2015-05-03T12:24:34.1372683-05:00
tajshar2k says2015-05-03T12:35:48.9590314-05:00
Undecided death penalty, pro abortion.
Dookieman says2015-05-03T12:44:45.6524883-05:00
I should also say that I don't think those who support the death penalty and oppose abortion have inconsistent views. The person killed on death row is guilty of murder and therefore deserves death (in their eyes). But the fetus is considered an innocent person under their view and for that reason has a right to life unlike the murderer.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T13:41:30.1777355-05:00
"Moreover, even if the fetus is a person, that would not necessarily mean that abortion is morally impermissible. This is shown in the case of the violinist analogy set up by Judith Jarvis Thomson." Late term abortions are a lot more than just pulling the plug out of life support.
TBR says2015-05-03T13:46:38.0168084-05:00
"Late term abortions are a lot more than just pulling the plug out of life support." - no need for a huge debate on this point, but I am sure you are making the distinction on mechanics MGJ. Aside from that, the "life support" analogy is fine.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T14:06:18.4056151-05:00
The analogy would have been slightly more correct if it included killing the violinist with a forcep.
Varrack says2015-05-03T14:27:40.9941799-05:00
If you had to choose between killing an unborn fetus who is completely innocent and has the potential to live a great life versus a convicted murderer who has no chance at doing any good in life, why would you choose the baby?
CyberConor says2015-05-03T16:41:00.1034097-05:00
Pretty much my thinking.
Kreakin says2015-05-03T17:11:52.0245670-05:00
I'm thinking Black-Jesus is trying to be clever by suggesting associations between two seperate and non comparible issues and trying to link them. Unfortunatley only the stupid will be convinced and they don't have much say when it comes to making policy, luckily.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T17:44:22.9652143-05:00
@Kreakin, I'm not trying to be clever; this comparison has been made before many times. And these two subjects are comparable, it's easy, I'll do it right now; they both involve killing things. I am just sick of hearing conservatives say "all life is sacred" when talking about unborn children, but when it comes time to decide upon the death penalty and international affairs all of the sudden it is, "all life, except the lives of choice people condemned to death and people that have oil that I want, is sacred." Just stick with one statement is all I'm saying
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T17:47:17.2495981-05:00
Definitely trying to be clever there.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T17:50:24.8732035-05:00
Or you know, you could just completely ignore everything I say, that's cool too
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T17:52:04.5584815-05:00
Read everything you said which is how I am sure you are trying to be clever.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T17:55:48.0313465-05:00
Really? Did you read the part where I said, "I'm not trying to be clever" or this part; "this comparison has been made before any times"? Because by reading this, one might be under the impression that I wasn't trying to be clever when I made the poll or when I posted that comment. Unless of course, you have knowledge of what I am truly thinking, which is preposterous.
Varrack says2015-05-03T18:03:15.9350773-05:00
Yep he's trying to be clever.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T18:03:50.0619263-05:00
By clever I mean you are trying to specifically make a single viewed political argument. Specifically you made it clear that you made this poll to try to stick it to conservatives, yet from the results of this poll it is noticeable that it isn't only conservatives making what you call a contradiction but also liberals. Actually if you look, you have 12 votes that are what you call contradictions verses 6 that you think make sense. Clearly the majority of people do not find them contradicting, maybe you need to try to see why they are different issues.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T18:03:52.1211527-05:00
Maybe you're just trying to be stupid
Kreakin says2015-05-03T18:06:18.9089709-05:00
^ Resorts to insults...
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-03T18:06:51.9914587-05:00
Starting the ad hominem insults aren't we.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T18:11:35.6154939-05:00
I also made the poll trying to stick it to liberals. And yes they are pretty obviously contradicting, anyone with a brain can see that, at least when they are down to their simplest forms. I acknowledge that they are different topics I'm just stating that they are, in some ways, similar; I never said that they, in their totality, are completely contradicting. Additionally, just because most people think that they are not contradicting, which isn't even proven by the poll, because no one until now has said anything about them being contradicting, nor is there a "they are not contradicting" option that is doing the best, doesn't mean that they aren't contradicting; the majority of people thought for thousands of years that the Earth was flat. Now, I'm not sure what's is so hard to grasp about that. And yes, I'm am resorting to calling you stupid after you resorted to calling me "clever" in a pretentious manner; I'm just petty like that.
Varrack says2015-05-03T18:17:50.7099037-05:00
@Black-Jesus, how are they contradicting? The fact that they both involve death does not mean you can't support one and not the other. The death penalty and abortion have some very obvious differences, such as killing guilty criminals vs innocent unborn babies. Just because you think death is just in one situation does not mean you must believe that for *all* situations. That shouldn't be hard to grasp.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T18:28:27.6348693-05:00
That is where I agree with you, I said. I said that they are not contradicting in the totality, which is what you are scrutinizing. I was saying that they are contradicting when some people say, "all life is sacred" but then go on to push for war and the death penalty.
Black-Jesus says2015-05-03T18:42:54.0387769-05:00
I'm sorry I called you guys stupid; that was uncalled for, I'm just sick and irritated at the moment

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