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  • The bible is pro giving men power so they can control women. But the bible also sees children as property.

    Posted by: MrFox
  • Please explain to me otherwise.

  • The bible is definitely not pro-choice. People who think otherwise don't know the Bible or haven't taken the time to read it. First off the bible says in plain words, DO NOT KILL in the ten commandments. Secondly the Bible says to LOVE everyone, not KILL OUR INNOCENT LITTLE ONES. BTW Jesus was all for equality for everyone, woman, man and children.

  • I think the Bible certainly backs up the notion that life is precious which I definitely wouldn't categorize pro choice in.

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retrogamer176 says2015-04-01T20:52:31.2764345-05:00
Any pro-life christians that vote yes... Why are you pro-life?
briantheliberal says2015-04-01T20:53:14.7587497-05:00
"Pro-life" Christians denying this in 3.. 2.. 1...
Dilara says2015-04-01T21:24:53.0286613-05:00
The bible says something about poisoning your side is you think her baby isn't yours and if the baby died it wasn't yours and if it survives it is yours. Where Christians get the pro life thing from is the Ten Commandments. Killing is forbidden and for some people fetuses are people and that law applies to them. It all depends on how you look at it.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-01T21:28:02.0465092-05:00
What about the verses where god actually PERFORMS abortions? I can give you the verses and you read it in your preferred translation.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-01T21:28:55.4048777-05:00
I disagree with the question, it says something without proving it and then ask you if you know it was correct. Well if it isn't going to prove it, then I have no reason to believe it is correct thus I cannot answer this question.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-01T21:41:16.2552794-05:00
Here, give me time to update my stance.
Wylted says2015-04-01T21:51:45.8000309-05:00
Pro life atheist denying this right here. This is just absurd. The bible says to defend the innocent.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-01T21:55:47.1958235-05:00
But what about when god performs abortions? Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
briantheliberal says2015-04-01T21:59:37.8299392-05:00
Dang it! You beat me to it...
retrogamer176 says2015-04-01T22:01:49.3374359-05:00
Don't worry, there's plenty of other verses for YOU to throw. I just like this one!
shaancl_716 says2015-04-01T22:23:38.2110859-05:00
It's funny... I am an atheist who loves reading the Bible. I love the gory and violence >:)
Wylted says2015-04-02T05:52:43.6143636-05:00
How would God performing abortion mean he is pro choice?
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T08:50:37.7951357-05:00
@Wylted seriously?
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T11:56:30.9395581-05:00
@ Retrogamer176, Numbers 5:21 is not an act of abortion, it is an act by God, which will keep the woman from conceiving a child any longer than she knows about it. Also, Numbers 27-28 contradicts your statement, saying that IF she were to be impure, she could not conceive, but if she was pure, she WOULD conceive. That last verse kind of contradicts your standing. Miscarriage: the unintended expulsion of a fetus from the womb before it is able to survive independently, especially spontaneously or as the result of accident; spontaneous loss of a pregnancy before the 20th week, most often before the 12th week In biblical times, they did not have the concept of time that we do today, hence the fact that a miscarriage takes place between the 12th and 20th week by today's measure. In biblical times, people were accounted to be over 900 years old. Also, in creation, the "seven days" symbolize a week, but it is known that it was not actually seven days, but much longer. The time scale of the bible is very wonky, and can not be taken truthfully all the time. I rest my case. ;)
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T11:58:32.1500041-05:00
@reeseroni God kills a child before it's born..... Basically, abortion.
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T12:01:53.0130289-05:00
@retrogamer176 Thats the thing, God doesn't kill it, he just does not allow the woman to conceive.. Abortion is the deliberate elimination of a fetus, not just killing something before it is born. If a woman that was pregnant's baby was killed after someone punched her stomach, it would not be an act of abortion, would it?
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T12:04:08.9991583-05:00
@reeseroni Yes it would. The baby dies before it can be born. God kills the child.
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T12:19:33.6746305-05:00
@retrogamer176 The average week of development in the womb in which the government of most states will not allow an abortion is between 24 and 26 weeks [1]. Otherwise, they still do not believe that the baby is alive, but just a "mass of cells" or an "unloving fetus". I am presuming that you are pro-choice, which is fine with me, and because of this I presume that you do not believe a baby is alive until the 24th or 26th week of development, which would contradict your thoughts about how God is performing so called "abortions" on these impure women if the baby is not alive yet, or you DO believe that a baby is alive before the first 24 weeks, and you are supporting a "Kill Unborn Living Babies" party, which would raise a question on why you contradict your political standing. [1]: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/06/18/us/politics/abortion-restrictions.html?_r=0
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T12:26:05.7132043-05:00
@resseroni Ok, fine I picked the wrong wording. God basically stops a baby from being born and as such, the baby is "aborted". Also, god doesn't believe that someone is human until a month AFTER birth.
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T12:35:49.1266979-05:00
@retrogamer176 I have never heard that one before. Mind telling me where he says that? (I am genuinely interested, I just can't remember when that happens). Once again--abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Also, when God says that he will make the woman miscarry, it means that her baby will not FULLY develop, but die from complications, and abortions are most commonly performed on babies that are fine, not on those who are not going to survive in the first place. God does not kill the baby, he prevents it from developing correctly, inadvertently keeping it from developing into a baby. It stops developing when complications ensue, so the fetus stops developing, before it has a chance to fully develop into a human baby. He is NOT killing it.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T12:40:30.8979247-05:00
Numbers 3:15-16
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T14:24:44.7133622-05:00
@retrogamer176 Ok, thank you. Anything in the bible can be interpreted however one pleases. You can interpret so many things to your advantage, that it defeats the purpose of what you are reading. Numbers 3:14-16 states that God tells Moses to take a general census of Levi's sons and their sons, but only those who were older than a month. This was not God telling Moses that babies under a month of age are not alive, he was just telling him to list a certain group of them. God never stated that a child that is under a month of age is not alive, but when Jesus is born, he is considered a person the second he is born, is he not? What I mean is that you can make any passage in the bible mean whatever you like, because of how much figurative language is included in it. What God most likely meant was to find the boys who were not newborns, but had been alive for more than a few days. Also going back to the time scale. In biblical times, they had no clocks or watches, they had the sun. They also did not have calendars or such. They relied completely on the sun, so to say that one month BCE is equivalent to one month CE would just be a bad idea. Same thing with the creation story. God did not make the world in seven days, it would be more like seven months or even years of today's standards. I appreciate you giving me the bible passages, but I will not rely on them to prove the Bible's innocence from the pro-choice agenda.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-02T14:27:32.4346639-05:00
Meh... There are other verses. I thought Brian was gonna throw them out...
Reeseroni says2015-04-02T14:30:50.6532423-05:00
Thats fine, if he provides them I will do my best to argue them :)
TBR says2015-04-03T16:43:06.6428672-05:00
@retrogamer176 - You have it right. Don't be pushed off the point.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-04T00:29:39.4823572-05:00
@applestoapples That's why he flooded the world killing approx. 10 million people?
Reeseroni says2015-04-04T22:58:04.8049787-05:00
@TBR He was what right? The assumption that the book of christians is supporting a liberal agenda? I think you meant to say you've got it wrong*.
Reeseroni says2015-04-04T22:58:34.9323514-05:00
Has* (spelling is a brutal master)
retrogamer176 says2015-04-04T23:00:27.2818329-05:00
@reeseroni Numbers 5:11-31
Reeseroni says2015-04-04T23:11:42.4712452-05:00
@retrogamer176 The verses you gave me say that if a woman commits adultery, and her husband finds out or suspects she has, God will make her miscarry. He won't kill the baby, it will just not develop. I discussed this earlier. I guarantee that there is no verse in the bible that says that God will kill the child of any woman, while still in the womb, in a healthy state of development. If a woman commits adultery, from the verses provided, and her husband finds out-her baby will not develop- and she will miscarry. God isn't killing babies, he is keeping the impure women from having children outside of marriage. This probably sounds like planned parenthood, but its not. It is God showing how he has the power over life and death, and how of a woman tries to conceive life with a man other than her husband, he will prevent her from conceiving a child.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-04T23:18:28.2817630-05:00
@reeseroni Wait, hold up, you do realize that that is EXACTLY what abortion is? To abort a fetus's development? Also, God controlling whether or not a woman can get pregnant is NOT a kind god, you know that right? Isn't god for "free will"? Adultery may be a sin, but god's gonna wait until the person dies to punish her for it.

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