Do some Christians still believe people with odd disability's are possessed by demons even though science shows otherwise?

Posted by: reece

Comments would be great.

  • Yes they Do

  • No they don't

60% 6 votes
40% 4 votes
  • Yes, unfortunately some Theists still believe this rubbish. Welcome to the dark ages.

  • There will always be some, even if it is a tiny minority.

  • I believe in good and evil. Not to mention, demon spirits. It may not be proven scientifically. What I can tell you is, there is a whole lot of evil out there in this world and I do believe demons are able enter someones mind through watching things like pornography, and many other things. Call me crazy.. Call me a lunatic.. Call me stupid... I have witnessed enough healing from the power of Jesus Christ to say, "There is Good and Evil spirits." At the same time I don't denounce mental health disorders or anything like that, but believe some things are disabilities are blessings from G-d and others are curses from demon spirits themselves.

  • Unfortunately, yes. Thankfully, they are in the minority.

  • No! People haven't believed such things for a very long time! I'm 54 and that thinking was obsolete before my birth. However, I will add this ... Christians, even Believers as a whole, were not the only ones guilty of such ignorant thinking. Society was guilty of doing so, Believers & Non-Believers alike.

  • There may be an incredibly small .05% who believe this, but in the slightest of technicalities.

  • None that I've ever heard of.

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SweetTea says2014-07-24T04:58:46.2896532-05:00
Reece ... Why are some Atheists, like yourself, obsessed with Faith? If you don't believe, why do you even care? For someone who professes to not believe in God, you are pretty enthralled on the subject!
reece says2014-07-24T05:03:24.6812624-05:00
@SweetTea Christianity has held back humanity/scientific progress for hundreds or maybe thousands of years.I'm obsessed with "Faith" in the same way a epidemiologist is obsessed with diseases.
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T05:20:32.3696332-05:00
SweetTea: The exact same is true with seemingly 90% of theists on this site who are actually even more obsessed with atheism as well as disproving it (as well as pathetically insulting it). This is not an attack on you, just mere information, the anti-atheism on this website is on the rise.
Haroush says2014-07-24T05:26:44.6230182-05:00
I wouldn't pay any attention to people like Reece Sweet Tea.. You already know what his intentions are, just let him hang himself as he will eventually.. This is no offense to you Zylo once so ever, but Reece can be quite disrespectful.
reece says2014-07-24T05:28:41.1208310-05:00
@Haroush I may come off disrespectful but my attentions are just.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:29:25.7720828-05:00
I wasn't aware that more than 1% of the Christian population believes this
Haroush says2014-07-24T05:30:43.2033006-05:00
No they aren't. Majority of your polls are about your obsession with faith as you don't like it.. I could be the same way about atheism, but am I? No. I am not immature like that.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:32:14.7233318-05:00
I despise both theists and atheists who use this site to fulfill an agenda. For those of you who don't yet know how this poll can be interpreted as fulfilling an agenda, please look back at all the polls Christians made solely to make atheists look stupid. These polls aren't looking for opinions, discussion, or discourse. They're looking to make the other side seem stupid.
reece says2014-07-24T05:33:15.9701096-05:00
@Haroush I'm not you though. "Immaturity" has nothing to do with it.
Haroush says2014-07-24T05:33:17.4833446-05:00
Thank you Chosen!
Haroush says2014-07-24T05:35:13.0763806-05:00
I'm not about to sit here and say Christians don't do this too, but that polls like this are only meant to degrade the other side of the spectrum.
reece says2014-07-24T05:38:22.5628055-05:00
@Haroush I post things like this to find debates for Christians to show reason and rationality.I try to under stand why they think the way they do.
reece says2014-07-24T05:39:48.1441274-05:00
Most of what they say is through subjective thought processes.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T05:56:32.1031842-05:00
Demons are real, but they aren't responsible for mental health problems or deformities.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:57:22.9291352-05:00
All thought processes are objective or their fallacious.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T05:57:33.6933422-05:00
*they're
reece says2014-07-24T06:00:12.4787334-05:00
@ChosenWolff So can you prove relativity?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T06:02:20.8166426-05:00
Space time relativity? Can you?
SweetTea says2014-07-24T06:03:18.4727642-05:00
Zylorarchy ... I disagree with your statement about theists. I, personally, could care less about Atheism. It isn't my position, but others have the right to it. Most of the Atheists on DDO choose to agitate & annoy Believers. That has nothing to do with gainful knowledge. Reece ... You comparing yourself to an epidemiologist is a joke. A doctor/scientist is driven by the fact it is their profession. You are motivated by wanting everything in the world to be "your way". That, hon, is NPD -- get therapy!
reece says2014-07-24T06:03:52.1055018-05:00
@ChosenWolff Answer my question first then i will answer yours.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T06:04:38.9887208-05:00
I can not answer space time relativity. Proceed to answer my question.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T06:06:33.8265550-05:00
To clarify, I can explain the space-time theory, but cannot correlate it with a plausible explanation for the creation of the universe.
reece says2014-07-24T06:07:32.6668607-05:00
That proves "All thought processes are objective or their fallacious." is wrong. Me neither.
reece says2014-07-24T06:08:54.3500315-05:00
It comes down to how well you can observe/explain something.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T06:28:23.9669237-05:00
Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. I say I don't have an answer to a question, and you correlate that to having a fallacious line of reasoning?
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T06:42:08.8814086-05:00
Haroush: None taken. SweetTea: Both sides can be both disrespectful and on both occasions it is wrong. I do however see many theists (in the forums section really not here) who are deliberately disrespectful to atheists. They far outnumber the opposite.
reece says2014-07-24T06:42:42.8729370-05:00
I will need to break it down. 1.Okay so, what is more reliable, subjective thought or objective thought in the context of rationality? 2.The theory of Relativity is the fundamental base line on what the absolute is of the universe (Relativity can only be observed through what we have at hand which is not reliable) My conclusion is "It comes down to how well you can observe/explain something." for now.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T06:45:22.1448530-05:00
Reece, darling, you are falling into that neverland that you were in yesterday. Https://www.Youtube.Com/watch?V=Q3L4spg8vyo
reece says2014-07-24T06:51:14.4930182-05:00
@SweetTea that link didn't work.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T06:57:42.7826618-05:00
Oh, it works. I just used it.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T06:59:41.8076098-05:00
Zylorarchy ... I have to ask: Why is any Atheist is fascinated by religion?
reece says2014-07-24T07:02:55.6326398-05:00
SweetTea: it just sends me to the main page of youtube. Can you give it to me some other way?
SweetTea says2014-07-24T07:03:07.8003278-05:00
I'm a Believer & I'm not fascinated with Atheism. Whether a person believes or doesn't is a personal preference. It's freedom of religion. I don't feel the need to "understand it" or "dissect it". We live in a big world with varying beliefs & opinions. Respect is key, but it isn't feasible to understand or accept everything that varies from your own position.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:04:55.3595698-05:00
Zylorarchy - You have obviously never been to the religion forum
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T07:05:57.1027866-05:00
SweetTea: The same reason any theist is fascinated by atheism.
reece says2014-07-24T07:08:24.0574784-05:00
SweetTea:"Reece, darling, you are falling into that neverland that you were in yesterday." https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6563321344/hE625FF42/
SweetTea says2014-07-24T07:09:26.4338190-05:00
Reece, how delicately can I put this .... Sometimes your "position" seems to either come from or be influenced by a controlled-substance!
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:11:25.3807690-05:00
Cognitive bias. All three of you.
reece says2014-07-24T07:18:35.4617410-05:00
@SweetTea "We are part of the universe, we are in the universe, but more impotent than both of those facts is that the universe is in us" (we are the universe). http://youtu.be/9D05ej8u-gU .Of course we are influenced. Answer what i said ChosenWolff?
reece says2014-07-24T07:19:31.9440275-05:00
Answer to what i said*
SweetTea says2014-07-24T07:21:08.1088760-05:00
Zylorarchy ... I have never met a Theists who is "fascinated" by Atheism. Now, I've seen a few Evangelicals proselytizing. But, hey, they do that to Christians outside their denomination. And some Atheists are just as determined to convert Believers.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:24:58.6261082-05:00
1) As I started saying, your stance was incoherent. Restate it. Neither are right. Objective thought coul bewrong or right. Subjective thought could be wrong or right. Many singular pronounced ideas have been subjective and disfavored by the majority. Think "flat earth" and "earth is the center of the universe". 2) No, the theory of relativity is that space and time are constant. You didn't know that?. Your conclusion, while it may be right, is also grounded in several false fronts.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T07:25:17.2138394-05:00
Reece ... Some influences aren't healthy, physically or mentally.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:26:11.9996346-05:00
You are all using cognitive bias and generalizations.
reece says2014-07-24T07:29:21.0199878-05:00
@ChosenWolff i said "what is more RELIABLE, subjective thought or objective thought in the context of rationality?" I didn't say what was right or wrong.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:30:24.0273130-05:00
You can't rely on either. In the words of Marcus Aurellius, trust only thy self. So I would say subjective thought is the most reliable.
reece says2014-07-24T07:32:38.9161895-05:00
@ChosenWolff as we are a social species, you're wrong.
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T07:35:53.6929200-05:00
SweetTea: And yet... Countless forum polls are dedicated to proving how atheists are wrong, or showing how atheists are stupid and sometimes even saying why atheism is bad.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:36:47.8561200-05:00
"as we are a social species, you're wrong." Puzzle fallacy. You know better.
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T07:36:54.6265200-05:00
ChosenWolff: I am very often on the Religion forum, I see a constant flow of anti-atheism.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:37:39.5389200-05:00
"I am very often on the Religion forum, I see a constant flow of anti-atheism" Perhaps your not looking for the other?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:37:50.1157200-05:00
*you're
reece says2014-07-24T07:38:46.0729200-05:00
@ChosenWolff why are you diverting the conversation?
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T07:39:20.1433200-05:00
ChosenWolff: I do not specifically look for either, I see theists and atheists disagreeing, which is fine. I see both sides debating which again, is fine, hence the name of this website. However I see both practically insulting one another but it is noticeable how theists more often resort to such pitiful insults.
SweetTea says2014-07-24T07:41:42.1725834-05:00
Zylorarchy ... And the same is done by Atheists towards Religion. Let's be honest, that's the motivation for this poll!
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:42:13.2781858-05:00
"why are you diverting the conversation?" False equivalency. You asserted against my claim to begin with. Being the first to start a conversation doesn't give you justification when you're the first to back out.
Zylorarchy says2014-07-24T07:43:15.9573786-05:00
SweetTea: I agree, by no means is Atheism some wonderful group of people without any fault. And yes, this poll is pretty much an example of theist bashing.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:43:26.8598330-05:00
The whole comment section debate started on the fundamental truism that this poll was meant to serve an agenda. All conversations that derived or erupted from the poll topic have been rooted in generalizations and cognitive bias.
reece says2014-07-24T07:46:48.1275382-05:00
@ChosenWolff I will start again. Why do you think subjective thought is more reliable even though we are a social species?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:49:33.9356866-05:00
Whether we're a social species is irrelevant. That's a correlation fallacy. It is more reliable to trust on your own reasoned opinion, rather than someone elses reasoned opinion. Objective thought is more like bandwagoning on to an idea. If something is extremely objective, such as a 90% majority, or even 80%, then perhaps you need to reconsider your views. But at the end of the day, the only thoughts you can trust are your own.
reece says2014-07-24T07:51:26.5959978-05:00
@ChosenWolff So you are implying we should stay close minded towards each other?
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:52:52.0974054-05:00
No, I'm saying that that we should let others influence our own reasoning, but not dominate it. Subjective thought is always built on others ideas. Objective thought implies we all think the same.
reece says2014-07-24T07:57:04.7797262-05:00
@ChosenWolff "I'm saying that that we should let others influence our own reasoning" our Reason evolves all the time though, well mine does anyway via open mindedness and rationality. Objectiveness imply (of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T07:59:32.7419322-05:00
"our Reason evolves all the time though" Your point is? "well mine does anyway via open mindedness and rationality" IE, influence. You asked what's more reliable. I said our own thoughts are more reliable than someone else's. Simply because you're the 10% doesn't mean the 90% is right. " not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts." Subjective thoughts can be based in reason and facts as well.
reece says2014-07-24T08:06:20.5154762-05:00
@ChosenWolff You said before the "only thoughts you can trust are your own." then you said "I'm saying that that we should let others influence our own reasoning" I saw a contradiction and that's why i said "our Reason evolves all the time though" Objectiveness ins't as reliable as objectiveness though in the context of rationality.
reece says2014-07-24T08:07:46.4856356-05:00
Subjectiveness isn't as reliable as objectiveness... I mean
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T08:09:14.9549369-05:00
"I saw a contradiction and that's why i said " You must of missed the part where I pointed out the difference between influence and dominate. Listening to other opinions isn't saying you should follow them for the sole purpose that they're objective
reece says2014-07-24T08:17:00.8946558-05:00
@ChosenWolff Where did you say the difference between influence and dominate? "Listening to other opinions isn't saying you should follow them for the sole purpose that they're objective" i'm not saying that. I'm saying a person who thinks subjectively isn't as reliable as someone that think objectively in the CONTEXT OF RATIONALITY thus objectiveness is more reliable.
reece says2014-07-24T08:20:09.1379171-05:00
Because we are a social species...
reece says2014-07-24T08:51:51.3604976-05:00
@ChosenWolff Do you get my hole point now? :) Objectiveness ties into how will you can observe/explain the universe because of how reliable it is. When you think about it, it was a pretty simple idea.
Haroush says2014-07-24T17:44:26.1806722-05:00
Reece you should really stop trying to manipulate a discussion.. You soon will lose a lot of credibility IF you keep doing that.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T17:53:43.9323460-05:00
"Where did you say the difference between influence and dominate" In the 1) and 2) comment. " i'm not saying that" Yes you are. "I'm saying a person who thinks subjectively isn't as reliable as someone that think objectively in the CONTEXT OF RATIONALITY thus objectiveness is more reliable." We don't all follow the same moral codes or ideals. Objective thought would be a southern baptist agreeing with other southern baptists that abortion is wrong. Objective thought is what's wrong with our country. We need independent reasoning and our own lines of thought.
reece says2014-07-24T19:35:04.0408303-05:00
@ChosenWolff we are debating this topic because of the post i submitted which i had to keep repeating key words out of "I will need to break it down. 1.Okay so, what is more reliable, subjective thought or objective thought in the context of rationality? 2.The theory of Relativity is the fundamental base line on what the absolute is of the universe (Relativity can only be observed through what we have at hand which is not reliable) My conclusion is "It comes down to how well you can observe/explain something." for now." again objectiveness is more RELIABLE Objectiveness stand for evidence ... Not personal believes that may or may not be just (subjectiveness) you're the one that is trying to change the subject by saying "Yes you are"
ChosenWolff says2014-07-24T19:40:49.6978246-05:00
"Wolff we are debating this topic because of the post i submitted which i had to keep repeating key words out of, I will need to break it down" Your stance has been negated. Instead of counter rebuttals you have decided to repeat yourself. "Okay so, what is more reliable, subjective thought or objective thought in the context of rationality" I answered subjective thought several times now. It is better to rely on your own reason and logic rather than that of someone else. That doesn't mean you're right, but it is certainly more reliable. Would you trust a reasoned opinion of your own, or a confusing theory you don't understand from the 90%. Influence, not dominate. "The theory of Relativity is the fundamental base line on what the absolute is of the universe " The theory of relativity is that space is constant with time. Explain how this correlates with your stance. " again objectiveness is more RELIABLE Objectiveness stand for evidence" This hasn't been proven. Your argumennts have been theory of relativity = objective thoughts are reliable. This doesn't make sense. I could just say happiness = weed legalization, but this isn't a coherent. Relativity =/= Objective reliability.
reece says2014-07-24T19:50:19.6391848-05:00
@ChosenWolff could you simplify and spread what your saying out by posting each point separately please? Sorry have dyslexia. Because i don't get what you're saying about "90% of influences" and how you're negating what i'm saying? I will accept that i'm wrong if i know what you're meaning.
reece says2014-07-24T20:01:15.6638062-05:00
I won't interrupt you in between posts.
Haroush says2014-07-24T20:04:02.3622004-05:00
And you have a$$-pergers too? Come on now..
reece says2014-07-24T20:07:57.2147224-05:00
@Haroush It's been suspected that Einstein had dyslexia and isaac newton had aspergers so..
Haroush says2014-07-24T20:10:12.3714847-05:00
Suspected isn't good enough..
reece says2014-07-24T20:11:19.6529908-05:00
What is? Something that isn't falsifiable?
reece says2014-07-24T20:27:56.1306274-05:00
@Haroush there is a man at your window and he wants to kill you but hes invisible and you can't touch him although he can touch you.Do you know how i know? Because there is a book written about him, it tells us when he likes to have showers or go to the toilet even though he doesn't have to eat, etc etc etc

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