Do the Patriarchal standards on society -set by men- inadvertently harm men themselves?

Posted by: Lauren_Duggan

The 'Patriarchy' is a standard set in place by men long before the dawn of modern society. It is the concept that women are inferior to men, and that a man must be dominant in a women's life, provide for a woman and care for a woman. While it is obvious that, in most parts of the world, this standard has definitely become less relevant, it still holds an iron grip on society itself. We know that the patriachral norms we face affect women negatively, but what affect does it have on the men? "The patriarchal

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Yes, men are indeed harmed by the standards set by the patriarchy. (Please say why.)

The expectations set by men in today's society is harmful to the male community, not to mention other genders.
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No, men are not harmed by the patriarchy. (Please say why.)

The patriarchy is either beneficial to the male community, or ineffective.
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This poll is biased- / There is no patriarchy.

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leonitus2464 says2014-08-03T17:53:08.6550030-05:00
There is no patriarchy
Lauren_Duggan says2014-08-03T18:29:37.7007836-05:00
Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Sorry, it's just that an explanation is helpful.
iamanatheistandthisiswhy says2014-08-03T19:49:37.1642792-05:00
I don't know where to put my vote as I feel both answers are slightly biased (i.E. Its all the mans fault that). Anyway its up there so you can take a look.
youtheotube says2014-08-03T20:15:20.6840545-05:00
This is a biased poll. There is no patriarchy. Men just do stuff better without complaining.
TrustmeImlying says2014-08-03T21:01:28.3172861-05:00
Lauren, I'll offer up some evidence for discussion. Our favorite buzzword of the day has a colloquial understanding very different than its actual definition. The word tends to raise everyone's hackles and put us all on guard. (See Leonitus and Youtheotube for a perfect example) "Patriarchy" in it's most commonly understood form doesn't exist in our country as it's often played out to. I fear this is an unfair exaggeration of the state of things, and only does damage to the very cause that it seeks to achieve. Did patriarchy exist? Absolutely. Does our past systems have any effect on our current society? Yes. Is it a patriarchy? Most definitely not. To explain further, I'd like to add this first. Everyone should remember that although we all may want women and men to be on an even playing field, and for us all to have a fair start in life, we MUST admit that there are fundamental differences between the sexes. Simply suggesting that because a there's less women than men in political office, a patriarchy exists, is like saying that because there's an (overwhelming) majority of men in prison than women suggests there's a matriarchy. But even assuming that there was some sort of unseen limitation on women getting into government, would that confirm a patriarchy? That's a big leap. I imagine somewhere there's a room filled with cigar smoke and bourbon, while old white men in suits laugh at how they keep the women in their place... Kidding. But sometimes this monolithic description that has been spewed at me like the word itself has venom sometimes makes me wonder if people truly think that "men" are trying to keep "women" down. If we are, we sure dropped the ball over the past 70 years. Simply put, in our country, ANYTHING a man can do, a woman can do. Are there pockets of "good ol' boy" idiots that don't want women in their circle? Definitely. Just like my super racist uncle doesn't want "none a them blacks" in office. He doesn't necessarily make our society racist, just like insecure or stubborn men don't necessarily make it sexist. So under the simple premise that a woman could become head of state, like, I dunno......Angela Merkel, Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Sheikh Hasina Wajed, Dalia Grybauskaite, Laura Chinchilla, Kamla Persad-Bissessar, Dilma Rousseff, Atifete Jahjaga, Helle Thorning-Schmidt, Portia Simpson Miller, Joyce Banda, Park Geun-hye, Alenka Bratusek, Sibel Siber, Aminata Touré, Erna Solberg, Laimdota Straujuma, Catherine Samba-Panza, Michelle Bachelet, or Marie-Louise Coleiro Preca. Would suggest that western (and some eastern) society, on the whole, isn't super against women being in power. I've got a question that might help narrow down our discussion on the topic. What exactly is it that makes you think there IS a patriarchal system in place? Maybe just a couple examples to start with and we'll go from there.
Lauren_Duggan says2014-08-04T00:06:32.1124697-05:00
@TrustmeImlying)) (And anyone else who commented)) I'm sorry, I suppose I didn't make it clear that I agree that the patriarchy has since become mostly irrelevant in western society today.- Though I did mention that in the description, just in a different wording. What I am trying to ask, and again, I apologize for the wording in the previous statement- is that; Do the effects of the past patriarchy still have an affect on men today? I guess there was an attempt at making it seem more past oriented (The picture of the declaration of human rights, the greek statues, etc..)
Lauren_Duggan says2014-08-04T00:10:46.5952589-05:00
Ahh, okay I added an option that may suit your claim better.
TrustmeImlying says2014-08-04T08:35:35.4268114-05:00
Lauren, does it still have an effect on all of us today? Definitely. So much so that a great deal of people still seem to think it continues to exist. And it's always negative echos, for everyone except an incredibly small minority. In general disrespecting any group of people, treating them as property or as a second class society will only breed trouble down the road. To expand on the claim that it effects us, there's a certain pressure on men to be applied to the mold of society just like women. I'm expected to be assertive, masculine, and strong. A real man knows what he wants and is confident about it. A real man is tall and strong and can support others and doesn't let his emotions get in the way and on and on... This isn't as prevalent as it was, say, 50 years ago, but there's still subtle pressure of it today. This would come from a past society in which a man is *expected* to lead the way, to be the one in charge, a society in which men are expected to be in control. A patriarchy. Everyone has their ideas about what men have become, and if it's good or bad. But at the end of the day, society has definitely changed, if it's for better or worse will come to show over the next few decades.

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