Do those with religious beliefs have a form of schizophrenia?

Posted by: PetersSmith

I mean like "general" religious beliefs and claimed religious experiences, not people like David Berkowitz. Also, in order to be considered schizophrenia, there has to be two or more of the symptoms for a month, with signs for at least 6 months.

  • Yes, those with religious beliefs are schizophrenics to a certain extent. The reason for this is that religious people have a profound disruption of basic psychological processes; a distorted perception of reality; altered or blunted emotion; and disturbances in thought, motivation, and behavior. Religious people are delusional, have hallucinations, have disorganized speech, have grossly disorganized behavior, and have negative symptoms.

  • No, religious people are not schizophrenics. The reason for this is that in order to be a schizophrenic, one must have a complete break from reality. None of the symptoms of schizophrenia apply. They don't have bizarre and/or grandiose false belief systems, they don't have false perceptual experiences, they don't have disruptions in verbal communication and rapidly shifting ideas, they don't have motor disturbances, and they don't have emotional and/or social withdrawal.

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  • They can many of the so called revelations of some of the prominent religious figures are likely a case of schizophrenia but not the average drone who follows the religion

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  • I think that generally no, but there are some people who are religious who have schizophrenia, but it is not necessarily related. You might as well say that people who are not against homosexual relationships are schizophrenics. I have a cousin who has schizophrenia, but he still knew the difference between God and the voices he heard from his illness.

    Posted by: gretaa
  • I am not religious and i tend to believe that it is a poison considering how science has disproved much that what once was explained by the bible. i do believe that the people that thought up certain religions have schizophrenia, that or are the best of con artist, however i don't believe the common believer suffer from schizophrenia.

    Posted by: nick6
  • That's offensive to religious people

    Posted by: SegBeg
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Mikal says2015-04-23T12:22:07.9000744-05:00
No just mostly uneducated
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:34:17.7267746-05:00
No, most of them are just willfully ignorant of scientific fact. However, religious people are more likely to have schizophrenia than anyone else.
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T14:42:53.1705959-05:00
Briantheliberal: Do you have sources and evidence for that claim? And do you also have evidence for "most" religious people being willfully ignorant? Or are you just being a hypocritical anti-theist like usual?
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:44:03.8982101-05:00
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T14:44:27.8500282-05:00
M4sturDebater says2015-04-23T14:50:56.9576579-05:00
I don't understand how just believing in a religion can make you more likely to a mental illness. @Brian care to summarize your sources?
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T15:45:39.7239034-05:00
Briantheliberal: Those articles don't say that religion causes schizophrenia, nor does it say that religious people are more likely to have schizophrenia, but rather religion and spirituality should be taken into account with patients who already have schizophrenia. Not only that, but article one states that there is "limited existing data" on the subject. Article 2 actually promotes, at times, religion in the treatment of schizophrenia. Saying that it can be uplifting and allows one to understand oneself. However, let me add my two cents: schizophrenia is a result of biological and psychological factors. For biological, there is the dopamine hypothesis, which states that schizophrenia is the result of an excess of dopamine activity, which explains why drug treatment involves reducing dopamine transmission. Also, schizophrenia has been shown as a result of progressive brain tissue loss over time. Also, as for psychological factors, those children exposed to disturbed families (those with extreme conflict, lack of communication, or chaotic relationships) were more likely to develop schizophrenia. However, the children in the study had either parents that were schizophrenic or were not, and the disturbed environment only caused increase of likelihood in the family environment where the mother did have schizophrenia. Obviously there's the genetic component as well. However, it's also been revealed that 71% of college students report hearing brief, occasional hallucinating voices. But, these observations do not mean the people have schizophrenia, rather a psychologist must take into account the complexity of the mind and the "glimmering madness in us all". In sum, you had the BOP and you failed to fulfill it. Source: Schacter, Daniel L., Daniel Todd. Gilbert, and Daniel M. Wegner. "Chapter 13: Psychological Disorders; Schizophrenia: Losing the Grasp on Reality." Introducing Psychology. Second ed. New York, NY: Worth, 2015. 423-427. Print.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:44:25.2979922-05:00
PetersSmith, where did I say religion CAUSES schizophrenia. Maybe you should read more carefully. I clearly said people who hold strong religious beliefs are more likely to develop some form of schizophrenia. Or more people who are prone to being schizophrenic tend to gravitate towards religion. All of this is already addressed in the sources I provided.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T16:48:07.6774177-05:00
PetersSmith, this isn't even the first time you PURPOSELY misread what I said. Yet you deny being biased against me... Yeah sure. Keep proving my point hypocrite.
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T16:58:28.3594930-05:00
Briantheliberal: My point still stands. Religious people are not more prone to schizophrenia, and it only comes into play when the person already has schizophrenia. And "more prone to" does imply a causal relationship, but obviously not actually the definite "cause". And I'm not being "biased against you", I'm pointing out a false claim you made simply to try to insult religious people like you usually do.
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T17:03:57.5832763-05:00
Briantheliberal: And every time you call me a hypocrite, every time you insult those that disagree with you because they don't agree with your "facts", you're only proving my point that you're hypocrite yourself. It's okay to admit that you're wrong.
briantheliberal says2015-04-23T20:05:52.6298746-05:00
PetersSmith, stfu. You know I didn't call you a hypocrite because you "disagree with me" I called you a hypocrite because here you are being a condescending fool, criticizing my opinions yet you attack me for doing the same thing. Not only that, you can't even READ CORRECTLY before falsely accusing me of something. Thanks for proving MY point.
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T20:09:03.2475209-05:00
Briantheliberal: You're falsely accusing me of something right now. Did I not say that my point stood since there wasn't much of a difference? And I'm not "attacking you", I'm disagreeing with you. Look at how you exhibited your sudden burst of aggression.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:11:28.9992308-05:00
Time to start negative statement count. 3 (stfu)(fool)(you can't even READ CORRECTLY)
PetersSmith says2015-04-23T20:12:15.2379272-05:00
Mathgeekjoe: There's no need for that.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-23T20:15:35.8646018-05:00
But it is the only way I can quantify negativity.
Stefy says2015-04-23T20:54:38.9434329-05:00
Mikal: Im religious. Im an ib candidate going into a stem field who believes in evolution. Making generalizations is mean. I actually got into religion through studying and reading deeper into real theology not fundementalist crap. I used to be athiest actually. Im not trying to say athiests are uneducated i think their one of the most intellegent and informed groups out there. But dont talk down to others for their beliefs. Its just way to hypocritical.
Kreakin says2015-04-24T17:05:31.0773817-05:00
When beliefs are shared by others, the idiosyncratic can become normalized. One religious person is delusional, many and it's normalised in society. Schizophrenia is a bit disengenious to use, delusional would have been a better term for the poll perhaps.
Stefy says2015-04-24T17:21:32.0490494-05:00
^i agree and i think using the word schizophrenic in this context us actually offensive to peopke who suffer from that.

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