Do you agree with Rand Paul that income inequality exists because "some people work harder"?

Posted by: IndependentTruth

  • Yes! If someone is richer than someone else it's because they worked harder.

  • No! There are so many different factors that affect a person's wealth. It is wrong to say those with less don't work hard.

32% 8 votes
68% 17 votes
  • It's a reason it's not the only reason. Rand should also be talking about how bad bailouts and corporate welfare are just like his dad did. Those are big factors as well.

  • Though not the only reason by far, a majority of the millionaires are new money. The Upper class isn't all billionaires who inherent all their money from the family. Many of them consist of entrepreneurs and those who get deeply involved in the stock market.

  • There are some small factors that effect a person's wealth that are not their fault but you have to take responsibility for your own well-being.

  • Yes it seems to be a discreet way for the left to kill off blacks

    Posted by: Wylted
  • The majority of the upper class gained their wealth through inheritance of the previous generation. Social Climbers like Bill Gates are a minority. Just like there is a Cycle of Poverty, there is a Cycle of Wealth.

  • The level and quality of education effects your income, the country you live in effects your income, whether you are supporting a family or flying solo effects your income, your skill level effects your income... There are so many different things that contribute to income inequality that pinning it all on 'well youre either lazy or youre not' is a retarded belief

  • What a joke. Meet some rich people.

    Posted by: TBR
  • No. A wealthy person may have become rich by luck or by inheritance. Winning the lottery or having a socialite dad doesn't mean you are hard-working. Some people who work hard get rich. Others don't. The rich people didn't always work for their money in the first place.

  • Donald Trump himself inherrited a large sum of his wealth.

  • The idea that people who were born into wealth somehow earned it is just stupid.

  • People who voted yes should be lined up in the street and systematically executed

  • No. Some people get jobs and never get fired because of who they know. There is no meritocracy in the job market, and mostly there is a bunch of nepotism.

    Posted by: Ezk
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triangle.128k says2015-08-11T18:22:01.9799812Z
This poll is too two-sided. There are some poor people truly in need of help, but others are just people that slack off and don't have an interest in a good education or anything.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T18:23:12.5720671Z
The abolition of income inequality is a very communist ideal.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T18:24:49.5890890Z
Income inequality is what drives people to work. Why would anybody want to get ahead and work hard to contribute to the economy, to only get the same amount of money as a high-school drop-out that never uses their brain? Or perhaps someone that keeps committing crimes.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T18:26:52.4710767Z
Abolishing income inequality is a far-left wing ideal. People would basically be living in a very socialist or even communist country. Look how communist China or the USSR turned out, now North Korea's communism failed and turned into a completely totalitarian regime.
imabench says2015-08-11T18:37:00.5629747Z
Triangle the poll isnt asking if income inequality needs to be eliminated. Shit, read the question. Its asking if you think Rand Pauls statement that income inequality is due ENTIRELY due to some working harder than others. Which it isnt.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T18:43:36.2127109Z
That is often a factor in whether or not somebody becomes successful. There are some people who don't want to bother with finishing high school and instead they just drop out and join the workforce. These people rarely succeed in life, though to be fair some people may have a good reason for dropping out. Other people work their way to achieving a master's degree and become a highly-paid engineer or something. Other people are entrepreneurs. They work hard towards developing a product, marketing it, and starting up their company. Of course, there are also plenty of people who inherit their wealth, and others still were raised in a place where there is very little opportunity to move up in life even with a solid work ethic.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T18:44:31.3278642Z
I mean, let's be honest: many people actually are bums.
IndependentTruth says2015-08-11T18:56:18.3243962Z
Many people are bums, but I don't believe nor have I ever seen evidence to suggest that most poor people are bums.
TBR says2015-08-11T18:59:20.5631310Z
Do the people who say "yes" to this think we are talking about the guy making 250k? The working CEO of a small company making 400k? The working doctor? Hell no. This is not about them. 450k gets you to the bottom rung of wealth. Working rich. There is no real issue with that.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T19:04:11.3801952Z
Bill Gates, among the richest men in the world, started out poor and worked his way to the top. Same applies to John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, and the likes. Neither rich people not poor people are all where they are for the same reasons.
imabench says2015-08-11T19:07:17.9746247Z
Luck also had a great deal to do with the rise to fame of everyone you just listed.
UtherPenguin says2015-08-11T19:10:21.4613675Z
@Vox Social climbers like him are a minority. What about Bill Gates' children genreations in the long run? Most likely chances are they will just need to inherit that wealth instead of working for it.
TBR says2015-08-11T19:10:41.2805639Z
@Vox_Veritas - Do you want to stand by that?
TBR says2015-08-11T19:13:09.3467569Z
Regardless, this is not about who started where. It is about how detrimental wild income inequality IS in our society.
Dilara says2015-08-11T19:24:26.7215858Z
Some people are poor because they made poor choices like dropping other of high school, getting addicted to drugs ect. Other people are poor because they didn't have access to good education and there aren't god jobs where they live.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T19:26:35.4848112Z
Do I want to stand by the claim that some people have achieved an ultra-wealthy status through hard work and smart choices?
TBR says2015-08-11T19:28:52.3208476Z
@Dilara What does that have to do with income inequality? We are talking MORE about the middle class than the problems of poverty. If you, or your parents, are not making 200x what the typical american is making, YOU are not who is on the high end of this scale.
TBR says2015-08-11T19:29:41.7260476Z
Put this another way, as I said above, if your family income is below ~450k you don't even start to register on this issue.
TBR says2015-08-11T19:51:29.9119908Z
@Vox_Veritas - Stand by Bill Gates being poor.
TBR says2015-08-11T19:54:40.4828124Z
Bill Gates was the son of wealthy parents. His father was a partner in the law firm Preston Gates & Ellis. His mother was on board of directors for First Interstate BancSystem and the United Way. His introduction to IBM was through his mothers relationship with John Opel. President of IBM. Think he walked into that meeting off the street?
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T20:18:38.7850638Z
I'm pretty sure he was a high school dropout. Middle Class upbringing, perhaps.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T20:19:10.3284660Z
On second thought, reading your post I may be wrong.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T20:21:24.1106920Z
I never expected this to turn into a flame war.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T20:28:05.2750503Z
This isn't even close to a flame war.
Vox_Veritas says2015-08-11T20:28:56.6640855Z
There's been several times when I completely lost it on DDO. THAT is what a flame war looks like.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T20:34:24.0107229Z
I think you've completely lost it a lot of times..
TBR says2015-08-11T20:45:33.6138152Z
Gates dropped out of Harvard. Not really the same thing.
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T21:00:51.0868964Z
He dropped out because there was a lot of competition in designing an operating system for the ALTAIR 8000 (or whatever it was called)
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T21:01:45.6729687Z
If he didn't drop out, the other people would have beaten him to it. It's commonly used as an excuse by people saying "Oh hey, i'll drop out of college and become rich the same way Bill Gates or Steve Jobs did"
triangle.128k says2015-08-11T21:02:11.7238133Z
If he was born a little earlier, he probably wouldn't have the need to drop out.
TBR says2015-08-11T21:33:26.8714334Z
Triangle.128k - That is true. Look, there was CP/M and actual UNIX kicking around. There are a number of reasons IBM did the deal with the tiny MS, but to think it was just plucky Gates building something the world had never seen is nonsense.
Wylted says2015-08-12T01:43:35.6496429Z
I thought this was the abortion pill. Whatever my answer stands
benhos says2015-08-12T05:02:46.3836633Z
How about both? Some people are lazy and poor, but some people do work hard and end up with not a lot of money. Like me. I make 110k a year, I have a good job, yet I am barely sustaining my household because of my pets, my siblings, bills, emergencies, surgeries, asthma medicine, etc.
TBR says2015-08-12T15:45:54.5264967Z
@benhos - That seems to be a part of this discussion that gets lost to people. We are SO not talking about someone who works hard for 100k. We aren't talking about someone who works hard for 250k. The problem is mass wealth clumped at the very top for no good reason. People making 1b per year are paying less or the same as someone making 250k. The guy making the 1b didn't work 4000x harder or was 4000x smarter.

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