Do you PERSONALLY support the idea of a Muslim president?

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FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T12:08:43.5335827-05:00
"I don't care what religion you are as long as you leave it out of politics." For it to be left out of politics you would have to start by not identifying them as Muslim, and they would have to stop identifying as Muslim in any public capacity.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T12:09:18.6173080-05:00
So by saying "A Muslim President", we are already past that option ...
TBR says2015-04-14T12:09:50.1406575-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - I would be very happy with that. I would like all the Christian politicians to leave it out too.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-14T12:10:10.1735713-05:00
We're talking about a president that happens to be muslim.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T12:21:21.6010042-05:00
Do you think a Muslim that can leave his religion out of his life for a presidential term even exists? I don't think they are called Muslim if they can. Some sort of weekend believer? If a person can be labeled religious in the first place, don't you think their beliefs are at least somewhat engrained in them to the point where they will not be able to run the office in a totally neutral fashion? It's impossible.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-14T12:25:53.9361779-05:00
SO what you're saying is that the president cannot be Muslim if he doesn't follow his religion by the book? Same goes for Christians right? Why isn't there gay massacres going on then?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T12:33:46.3150825-05:00
Because enough reasonable people vote to keep those types in check. Im not saying by the book ... But he's at least trying to live up to someone elses standard (god) and not entirely that of his constituents. Ill be the first to say it ... Most of those presidents that label christian only do it for the votes. Same as the ones who label themselves family oriented. (... Glaring at Hilary and Bill over here ...)
minnymilerza says2015-04-14T15:30:05.5832373-05:00
Freedom—fine, who would "represent Americs and its ideals." An entire nation can't possibly share the same ideals.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-14T15:35:13.4826466-05:00
@freedom There is no one person that can represent america's ideals. Race, religion, gender, and sexuality should never be considered when voting.
Stefy says2015-04-14T15:42:35.5033859-05:00
Freedombeforeequality: You mean the ideal of freedom of religion? They would totally represent that. More than having every president be a Protestant except 1
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T17:46:36.2369217-05:00
"An entire nation can't possibly share the same ideals." Then really ... What makes them a nation at all? They have to have some type of common ground to stand on. The entire nation isn't just here because of birthright.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T17:48:52.0947090-05:00
"More than having every president be a Protestant except 1" Again they only claim that as a safety for your vote. I seriously doubt all of them were devout protestants up to the election. Perhaps the fact that they were lying about it is a worse trait than being religious in the first place, idk.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T17:52:37.4485314-05:00
"Race, religion, gender, and sexuality should never be considered when voting." I have to disagree. I think that it should, because they are being thrust into foreign nations as our representative ... And those nations look at those things. We can't live in our own bubble on this one. There is a certain tact to appealing to other nations through our representative. To be as effective as possible in those theaters we might have to put on a face they like. That is a presidents job, they are a face for the nation.
minnymilerza says2015-04-14T20:00:25.7126747-05:00
Freedom—a nation is a group, a group with millions of members. Millions of people do not all think the same way, value the same things.
TBR says2015-04-14T20:29:48.3090090-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - "Race, religion, gender, and sexuality should never be considered when voting." I have to disagree. I think that it should, because they are being thrust into foreign nations as our representative ... And those nations look at those things." || I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!. That is why us being blind to this, choosing woman, black, gay is critical. LEADERSHIP. What good is it to be the leader if we don't lead.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-15T09:20:45.4258630-05:00
@garlicbred oh and Christians don't do that?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-15T09:34:43.0669162-05:00
@TBR Whoa whoa whoa ... You think it's our job to lead the rest of those fools? Where is that goal stated at in the mission statement that is our constitution? We only owe one group of people here that sort of image ... And thats US citizens. The rest of those countries are free to do whatever they want without our 'leadership'. Our rep should be sent there solely in the capacity to do good for us ... Not to impress our beliefs on the rest of the world.
GarlicBred24 says2015-04-18T18:12:02.5916038-05:00
Compared to muslims, they do a better job.
GarlicBred24 says2015-04-18T18:12:27.4731253-05:00
But I'm athiest, so I don't exactly support a Christian president.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-18T19:22:10.0742253-05:00
I support people based on POLICY. Race, sex, religion. And sexuality should NEVER be considered.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-18T21:10:05.9611997-05:00
Those are some of the things that define a person. Not sure why we wouldn't want to consider Sa many factors as possible about a person. Especially one as important as the religion they follow. That says alot about a person and what policies they support.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-18T23:01:00.6753727-05:00
@freedombeforeequality so, if person A has brilliant policies, person B has not as good but sorta in the same level as person A's, person A is Muslim and person B is Christian, you'd choose person B right?
VladimirLeninIsCool says2015-04-19T16:06:55.5603578-05:00
Just because someone is Muslim does NOT mean the are jihadist or more religious that a christian candidate.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-19T16:50:34.9691442-05:00
@theheroconservative Just because he's Muslim doesn't mean they're jihadists. Get your facts strait bigot!
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-19T18:20:41.2480261-05:00
What an improbable combination. I suppose id go with A, though the chances of A ever having better policies than B is highly highly unlikely.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-19T18:23:24.0485825-05:00
They don't have to be jihadist ... That's way too extreme ... Rather just male dominant, put more weight in divine right and god than in people's ability to rule themselves. Those ideas would make for bad policy and a bad leader for this country at least. Might be a great leader elsewhere, but not in the US.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-19T18:33:54.8305390-05:00
@freedombeforeequality huh, sounds like the average christian politician to me, at least with the issue of gay marriage.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T09:47:37.6976328-05:00
Those guys aren't Christians. They clearly put on that farce to get a Christian to vote for them. Get real. As far as supporting their constituents against gay rights ... Thats just the politicians mirroring the voice of the people. They want to stay in office ... They have to pass legislation that those same Christians that voted for them wanted or theyre seat is gone.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-20T10:04:17.3988411-05:00
@freedombeforeequality Ignoring the 14th amendment, around 60% of people support gay marriage according to wall street journal, human rights campaign, and CNN. Hmm, sounds a little bit like what, oh I don't know, the people WANT!!
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T10:11:01.6271458-05:00
Hence the changing legislation, no?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T10:12:05.3550408-05:00
I don't get what youre complaining about. It wasnt 60% a few years back, when those guys were voted in.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T10:15:18.9834820-05:00
Also all 3 of those sources are liberal ... So im sure that number is high balling it. But it being close to 50/50 is definitely why its causing changes in legislation today -and- why its seen as a big ticket item for most people. Alot of people disagree over the issue. It can't be said that thats what they want yet.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-20T10:55:43.5198238-05:00
@freedombeforeequality So if I cite Fox News, you'd trust me?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T20:29:20.4117021-05:00
What's the number they said? In truth its probably the average of the two. But then again ... No one polled me or anyone I know on this. I'm sure the numbers just thoroughly inaccurate either way. All I gotta say is put it to a vote and watch what happens. I'm betting that 60% of yours turns out to be <40% in a vote. Don't let media hype get your hopes up.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-20T20:32:03.3122560-05:00
That's why its best if your special interest groups keep these issues in local and state governments. Polling people in your city is just going to give you bad data.

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