• Yes, my reading list is miles long!

  • No. What is a book?

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  • Books are for worms, book worms

    Posted by: reece
  • I almost don't read at all (except in school). Although, once I start reading a book, I usually can't stop reading. It's the initial idea to read that is hard to go through with.

  • Does the internet count as book?

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mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:05:12.8884179-05:00
It seems that a lot of worms can type, Reece. :)
reece says2014-07-12T11:13:18.1283410-05:00
It seems that a lot of worms don't have dyslexia ;)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:14:18.8747410-05:00
reece says2014-07-12T11:15:05.4773651-05:00
But oh well, you can't teach a worm that it's arrogant
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:16:42.0569651-05:00
But you can teach a worm to discuss important issues based off what it reads!
reece says2014-07-12T11:17:50.6759410-05:00
From books not necessarily up to date ;)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:18:35.8589651-05:00
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:19:10.5377651-05:00
That even applies to worms.
reece says2014-07-12T11:20:17.6021651-05:00
Well I better read my bible shouldn't i ;)
reece says2014-07-12T11:20:54.0851410-05:00
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:21:03.4817651-05:00
That's your choice. I'm not going to tell you what to do.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:21:56.2355410-05:00
Worms who don't study up about robins learn the hard way!
reece says2014-07-12T11:22:44.7574097-05:00
Lucky i'm not a worm
GodChoosesLife says2014-07-12T11:23:11.2775797-05:00
@Reece, it takes someone to read something such as a book or even I'll go as far as a debate, you read it an it either pushes you away or bring you in agreement with it.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:24:16.1833706-05:00
Reece, neither am I. Your comment was unfortunately inaccurate. ;)
reece says2014-07-12T11:25:12.5215569-05:00
Mishapqueen: I didn't think it was
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:26:45.6947290-05:00
Wanna debate it, Reece? ;)
reece says2014-07-12T11:28:55.0092882-05:00
I also have ADD, i doubt you would keep my stimuli focused
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:29:39.2196882-05:00
I have ADD too. No excuse.
reece says2014-07-12T11:30:32.7120882-05:00
It's spectrum...
reece says2014-07-12T11:30:52.5186641-05:00
A spectrum*
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:31:35.6838641-05:00
And your point......? ;)
reece says2014-07-12T11:33:04.4946641-05:00
I have it worse than you :P
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:33:35.8092882-05:00
How well do you know me?
reece says2014-07-12T11:34:54.1470641-05:00
You're worm, i don't need to know you that well
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:35:22.2012882-05:00
Aha. Try me and see.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:35:57.4884882-05:00
Just in case you hadn't noticed, worms don't have hands to type all this.
reece says2014-07-12T11:36:43.8306641-05:00
What? Step on you with my shoe and see whats left?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:38:05.0286641-05:00
You don't know where I live.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:38:33.7326641-05:00
So are you going to debate me or not?
reece says2014-07-12T11:38:36.1506641-05:00
Obviously you're very special
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:39:06.8102639-05:00
Thank you for the compliment! :)
reece says2014-07-12T11:40:48.4293153-05:00
You can take it how you like ;)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:41:25.8633301-05:00
You are very kind! :)
reece says2014-07-12T11:43:40.3268113-05:00
So i think we've already established you're a very special worm so i think we don't need to debate because you've already admitted it
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:44:28.6653019-05:00
You don't want to show me what it is like to lose a debate?
reece says2014-07-12T11:46:08.1781872-05:00
It depends, can you handle losing a debate ;)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:46:50.8597872-05:00
I've lost lots of times IRL.
reece says2014-07-12T11:48:51.0421872-05:00
Of course you have, you're a worm?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:49:35.5801872-05:00
I've also won a lot.
reece says2014-07-12T11:52:46.8517872-05:00
So you 're not answering my question about if in fact you are a worm?
reece says2014-07-12T11:53:33.5792113-05:00
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:54:09.0224113-05:00
I'm not answering because you are close-minded about it and would not believe me. ;)
reece says2014-07-12T11:55:31.0885872-05:00
Coming from the person who wanted a debate or are you chicken LOL
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:56:37.5913872-05:00
All right, I'm not a worm, but YOU are a chicken! :)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:57:01.3033872-05:00
Chickens have a severe case of ADD.
reece says2014-07-12T11:57:57.3230446-05:00
That's not what your mum said
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T11:58:45.0593506-05:00
What did my mom say?
reece says2014-07-12T11:59:31.5788488-05:00
That i don't have ADD ;)
reece says2014-07-12T12:32:54.2618373-05:00
GodChoosesLife: you do know that books aren't the only source of knowledge? The internet almost has every book that was ever created and then some. Knowledge it's self is to subjective to talk about anyway.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:34:16.8804965-05:00
Reece, my mom said nothing of the sort! :)
reece says2014-07-12T12:35:13.3376203-05:00
Mishapqueen: Did you just come back from asking her?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:35:42.4163931-05:00
No, she just woke up.
reece says2014-07-12T12:36:57.7241806-05:00
Mishapqueen: How do you know if you didn't ask her?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:38:10.5137806-05:00
Because you don't know her, she doesn't know you, and I know she will say "I can't make an accurate decision based on the information provided."
reece says2014-07-12T12:40:34.2053806-05:00
Mishapqueen: So how do you know that she doesn't know me? Sounds irrational to me like any other christian debater I've come across
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:43:06.5705806-05:00
Well, you don't know who I am, so how could you know who she is? I can bet you hang around totally different places than she does.
reece says2014-07-12T12:45:33.1793806-05:00
Mishapqueen: I do know who you are :)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:46:31.0809413-05:00
Oh really? What is my first name?
reece says2014-07-12T12:47:47.1369122-05:00
Mishapqueen:Why would i know that?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:48:51.0753413-05:00
If you knew me, you would know my name.
reece says2014-07-12T12:49:57.6161486-05:00
I don't :( do you know why?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:53:08.1337295-05:00
AHA! You admit you don't know me!
reece says2014-07-12T12:55:19.9228644-05:00
I do know you...Son :') I'm you long lost real father. Can i call you Lucifer jr ?
reece says2014-07-12T12:55:37.4629037-05:00
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T12:57:01.5157037-05:00
If your profile is correct, you are only 1 1/2 years older than me. Sorry, not fooled.
reece says2014-07-12T12:58:22.1932644-05:00
It also says by your profile that you're a women...Sorry wrong child
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:00:12.0541037-05:00
The "queen" half of my name sort of gives away my gender.....
reece says2014-07-12T13:02:39.0940644-05:00
Not really, for all i know there called be a guy sitting behind that profile
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:03:24.0844644-05:00
Read my debate about why I like to be a girl.
reece says2014-07-12T13:04:51.5536644-05:00
So you're transgender?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:06:02.2216644-05:00
Nope. I must admit I'm glad you aren't my father. My dad is awesome.
reece says2014-07-12T13:07:19.2925850-05:00
I could of played fetch with you ;)
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:09:15.4756894-05:00
I'm not a dog.
reece says2014-07-12T13:12:22.6607875-05:00
What animal are you now?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:13:28.1651875-05:00
I'm a person. You are a chicken.
reece says2014-07-12T13:15:55.7723875-05:00
Serious question... Do you consider a human an animal?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:16:35.9168268-05:00
Yes and no.
reece says2014-07-12T13:19:26.7680268-05:00
Okay good because you're half way there.By definition, technically we are animals if you believe in evaluation or not.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T13:20:15.4187875-05:00
Yes, we are technically animals, but we have been set above the animals by God.
reece says2014-07-12T13:21:10.6640733-05:00
The same god from the OT?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:29:12.4005717-05:00
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:31:25.8282270-05:00
Of course.
reece says2014-07-12T22:31:41.2372551-05:00
Do you consider the god from the OT same as the NT?
reece says2014-07-12T22:33:48.6943386-05:00
Can i give you a quote?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:34:32.4332578-05:00
Sure, but I might not agree with it.
reece says2014-07-12T22:38:45.3585198-05:00
“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” Do you think the bottom bart of the quote is accurate?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:39:32.5082978-05:00
reece says2014-07-12T22:42:35.4429198-05:00
Okay so lets focus on one part of the quote. So you don't think hes genocidal?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:45:28.2445861-05:00
Define genocidal and I'll tell you.
reece says2014-07-12T22:48:06.7323796-05:00
‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Samuel 15:3) Do you think that would be..?
reece says2014-07-12T22:49:10.0004468-05:00
That's god saying it btw
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T22:52:22.3636429-05:00
Still no definition of genocidal, so I will argue about whether that action is justified. Let's look at the context. 1 Samuel 15: 2 "‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt" So we can gather that the killing of the Amalekites is a punishment for sin. They sinned against God, it's payback time.
reece says2014-07-12T23:04:29.8708632-05:00
But isn't eternity in hell the allotment product of punishment?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:05:24.9704164-05:00
Hell is eternal death. Death and bloodshed is the payment for sin.
reece says2014-07-12T23:05:42.1400434-05:00
I didn't see god killing Hitler but then again Hitler was catholic...
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:06:58.3835660-05:00
That is because since Jesus died, we live in an age of grace. A lot changed between the OT and the NT,
reece says2014-07-12T23:09:54.6233622-05:00
God is Jesus isn't he? And doesn't it say god is never changing?
reece says2014-07-12T23:11:01.1351660-05:00
We actually officially live in the age of information
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:12:19.2599660-05:00
God hasn't changed at all. What happened is that Jesus paid the death penalty for us, so if we accept his sacrifice, God is not mad at us anymore and we are perfect in his sight.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:13:57.9299660-05:00
Jesus is God. Slight difference.
reece says2014-07-12T23:14:11.4452838-05:00
God is Jesus?
reece says2014-07-12T23:18:11.0031312-05:00
Whats the difference ?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:18:37.8252578-05:00
God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit are three different revelations of the same God. It's a bit confusing. The slight difference is the God the Son has a slightly different way he reveals himself to man than God the Father.
reece says2014-07-12T23:21:30.0347617-05:00
You mean the trinity.But they are still the same entity of one being?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:23:38.7109663-05:00
Yes, but different aspects of it. God is the Father, Jesus is the Savior, and the Holy Spirit is the Helper.
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:24:10.4393786-05:00
We've come a long way from the subject of books...
reece says2014-07-12T23:24:59.3094891-05:00
Isn't the bible a book? But i thought god is never changing?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:25:33.1146891-05:00
Yes and yes.
reece says2014-07-12T23:28:16.3374891-05:00
That would mean Jesus has always existed too?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:43:58.1355730-05:00
Yes. Some theologians think he was "the angel of the Lord" before he came to earth.
reece says2014-07-12T23:51:33.1198950-05:00
But these are all assumptions?
reece says2014-07-12T23:51:52.8571596-05:00
And contradictions?
mishapqueen says2014-07-12T23:52:36.8577282-05:00
Please expound.
reece says2014-07-12T23:57:14.5344996-05:00
Christianity as a hole has different ideologies and perceptions of the scriptures thus how do you know you believe in the right beliefs?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T14:42:24.9512832-05:00
Of course, that is subjective, so I'm always open to change within reason. But I try to go off what I see the Bible says and do my best to keep my interpretation literal and to have it change me, not me change it. I try to stay consistent with the Bible as a whole in addition. Does that answer your question?
reece says2014-07-13T17:38:30.4197972-05:00
It just opens up more questions. Don't you see the contradiction in that? So you're a basing what you believe off what you wanna believe? You know mainstream Christianity doesn't take the bible literally...
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T17:40:34.3017795-05:00
I honestly don't care about main-stream Christianity. And I don't think I'm basing what I want to believe off of what I want to believe. How am I contradicting myself?
reece says2014-07-13T17:49:47.0422973-05:00
Okay...Why don't you think that you're basing your belief off what you wanna believe?<--- i think this is a contradiction.
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T17:50:40.7056093-05:00
Because the literal Bible is not a convenient thing to believe in.
reece says2014-07-13T17:55:46.8072593-05:00
Can you expand on that?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T22:42:38.9017882-05:00
It is not exactly fun to have one's viewpoint attacked on every side. My belief in a literal 6 day creation is inconvenient and my belief that God can't stand any sin is inconvenient, and my belief in miracles is inconvenient. All three make me look incredibly close-minded, mean, and idiotic. But I hold to them, not because they are convenient, but because I am convinced they are true.
reece says2014-07-13T22:44:01.8622211-05:00
Because you want them to be true?
reece says2014-07-13T22:45:41.6710176-05:00
I'm not meaning to attack your beliefs, i'm just curious to know why you believe what you believe...
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T22:47:04.7507678-05:00
Well, I actually didn't really want to be a charismatic Christian for a long time and resisted the idea of miraculous healings, and then it happened to me, and I couldn't deny it. I don't think it's because I want it to be true at all. Sometimes I wish I could just go with the flow and say whatever is ok, but that would be untrue to my convictions.
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T22:48:03.5939678-05:00
No problem. I'm not sensing any hostility from you.
reece says2014-07-13T22:55:01.1124020-05:00
http://youtu.be/RsJeFjZGk9I Just because you think you've had miraculous healing's doesn't mean it's real over all.
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:00:53.5182909-05:00
I've two responses: 1. I know this really well. I've experienced it. 2. I like the view of Dan Mohler. He teaches that medicine is a way that God heals. He teaches that God does hear prayer, and people get healed, but you don't have an all or nothing choice. So that video might be a good refutation against a different POV than I have.
reece says2014-07-13T23:09:59.6622507-05:00
Have you heard about how people get healed from just being happy/confident? It's just a scientific theory though.But i guess it could work for you but i doubt there's a god's intervention behind it.I also doubt it can heal some more of the more heavy sickness's.This is assuming you're telling the full truth.
reece says2014-07-13T23:12:19.3724165-05:00
People in other countries have had miraculous healing's too but i guess what?...They don't believe in the same god as you, so their going to hell anyway aren't they?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:13:14.0975673-05:00
Yes. You won't believe me, but I know people who have had type one diabetes healed miraculously. Todd White prayed for me and without any insulin in my system, my bloodsugar dropped about 200 points in the course of 2 minutes. Absolutely impossible. I have more examples if you like.
reece says2014-07-13T23:14:58.3847358-05:00
Can you proof it's your god's intervention?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:16:23.3261913-05:00
I doubt you would believe me. Nothing against you personally.
reece says2014-07-13T23:17:56.1923960-05:00
"People in other countries have had miraculous healing's too but i guess what?...They don't believe in the same god as you, so their going to hell anyway aren't they?" are you going to answer this?
reece says2014-07-13T23:18:36.2685391-05:00
Without that "i" sorry
reece says2014-07-13T23:19:46.8134140-05:00
I'm just trying to be rational/reasonable
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:20:06.5630140-05:00
Sorry, I didn't see that. Well, the Bible says that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. Miracles may not always be from God. When Moses was in Egypt, he performed miracles that the Egyptian priests copied. Demons are perfectly capable of copying God's handiwork.
reece says2014-07-13T23:21:45.9194140-05:00
So you think other god are demons?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:23:41.8430140-05:00
To be absolutely blunt: Yes.
reece says2014-07-13T23:27:46.3319730-05:00
You know other religions can easily just say the same type of thing about your god... Do see the correlation in that?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:29:36.0568209-05:00
I don't really care, to be honest. I've seen how the Bible outlines how demons and Satan behave, and it correlates with how these other "gods" behave. I can't prove it, but I am pretty sure.
reece says2014-07-13T23:30:54.5303730-05:00
So you're pretty sure because of JUST what the bible says?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:32:38.8319730-05:00
Yes, and they behave in a totally different way than Jesus does. They force themselves on you, they don't want a relationship with you, they want you enslaved to them, etc etc.
reece says2014-07-13T23:34:00.9465189-05:00
Haven't you seen the history of Christianity?
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:35:01.5248851-05:00
To which part are you referring?
reece says2014-07-13T23:36:39.1494160-05:00
The crusades...Etc etc etc
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:37:16.8825371-05:00
The crusades were not an act of Jesus.
reece says2014-07-13T23:41:15.9437646-05:00
They did it in the name of god because god told them to do it just like in the bible how god told to kill in the quote i gave you up in the thread.
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:50:44.9365300-05:00
God did not tell them to do it. Pretty much everyone agrees that they had the wrong approach, and I don't think their actions are consistent with God's character, especially after Jesus' death.
reece says2014-07-13T23:54:47.5514918-05:00
But god is never changing thus he still the same character as he had in the OT. God still occasionally tell's people to kill.
mishapqueen says2014-07-13T23:55:32.7160973-05:00
Only as a punishment for sin. Now, the punishment has been paid, so that is no longer necessary.
reece says2014-07-13T23:55:53.6057024-05:00
Sorry it didn't make sense lol
reece says2014-07-13T23:58:09.9419675-05:00
None the less god told them to do it...
reece says2014-07-14T00:00:50.1410800-05:00
I think the crusades are in one of the bibles somewhere.
mishapqueen says2014-07-14T00:02:36.7216464-05:00
Ok. God said to kill the Amalekites because they had sinned, not because he loves to kill. Sin can only be paid for by blood. That is why the Israelites had to sacrifice animals. Fast forward to the NT. Jesus pays with his blood for the sins of the entire world. If you accept it, you are perfect in God's sight. Now, even if you have not personally accepted it, God still doesn't see your sin because he is giving you a chance to follow him. This is called the age of grace, where God is not exacting payment for your sin right now. He will later. The crusades came after Jesus' death, and God did not specifically order them because he wants everyone to have a chance to turn to him. Their sin was paid for by his Son, why should he ask for them to pay it again? So God himself has not changed, what has changed is how he sees us.
reece says2014-07-14T00:03:32.0086606-05:00
Sorry the crusades aren't and wait i will just reply soon
mishapqueen says2014-07-14T00:03:36.0726159-05:00
Not in the one I read! ;)
reece says2014-07-14T00:11:09.3011833-05:00
1. Every mass murderer who prayed to god and believed in god e.g. Hitler .Every rapist who raped and raped again and then prayed to god for forgiveness every single time e.g. priests. Have gone to heaven?
mishapqueen says2014-07-14T09:26:25.2522968-05:00
Hitler denied God and only used him to gain power over the churches in Germany. He also claimed that he was Jesus. Hitler was most definitely not a true Christian. I would be surprised if he was in heaven.
reece says2014-07-15T20:43:54.3784569-05:00
Hitler didn't deny God, he commuted the holocaust partly because of his christian beliefs.When did he claim to be Jesus?He was a true christian, have you heard of the no true Scotsman fallacy? You have no comments on the priests?
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T21:01:52.5319789-05:00
Hitler only called himself a Christian to gain support of the masses. (http://www.Bede.Org.Uk/hitler.Htm) "He called Christianity one of the great "scourges" of history, and said of the Germans, "Let's be the only people who are immunized against this disease."" (http://www.Catholiceducation.Org/articles/facts/fm0110.Htm) And "Of course it was Hitler himself who ordered that he be presented as a deified messiah." (http://net-abbey.Org/hitler-as-god.Htm) I think that covers your request for sources. Yes I have heard of the fallacy mentioned. But that is a false analogy because there is a clear definition of what a Christian is, and it is not as reliant on opinions as a "true Scotsman" definition is. I don't understand what you are referring to about the priests. Could you elaborate?
reece says2014-07-15T21:16:31.2966790-05:00
The first website is biased and the other two don't work. What's the definition of a true christian? Priests have been known to molest kids and then ask for forgiveness and then do it all over again.By asking for forgiveness they should be aloud up into heaven.Am i wrong?
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T21:34:23.8456053-05:00
About priests. I can't judge a person's heart, only God can. But I do know that if you trust Jesus to forgive you, he will. The word Christian literally means "little Christ." Christians are called to be like Christ. Jesus says that if you truly love him, you will keep his commandments. Jesus also said that the two greatest commandments are 'love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' Hitler did not follow those commandments, which shows that he did not love Jesus at all, which is pivotal to being a true Christian.
reece says2014-07-15T21:37:43.9792882-05:00
Okay so what's the definition of a true christian?
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T21:39:03.9765252-05:00
Someone who accepts Christ's sacrifice, follows him and loves him.
reece says2014-07-15T21:42:49.6149252-05:00
You think Hitler didn't do that?
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T21:44:03.8810262-05:00
Yup. Prove to me that he did. Show me specific commandments given by Christ in the Bible that he followed.
reece says2014-07-15T21:48:16.5909252-05:00
1. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain 2. Honour thy father and thy mother 2. Thou shalt have no other gods before me etc
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T21:49:29.9853493-05:00
That is from God yes, but that was aimed at the Jews, not the Christians. We are talking New Testament here. ;)
reece says2014-07-15T21:56:24.9196483-05:00
You didn't say what commandments and the Christs commandments say to follow gods commandments... “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17)., Remember Jesus is god.Also remember Hitler thought he was doing a good thing. 1.“Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 5:16)." 2.“And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men” (Matthew 4:19). Etc etc etc
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T22:02:43.7763276-05:00
Hitler was hate driven. He hated the Jews. Jesus said "This is my commandment: that you love one another as I have loved you." John 15:2 Hitler was in direct disobedience to the greatest commandments and to this specific one by Jesus. Unfortunately, the commandments you mentioned are out of context and really don't make sense the way you have applied them. I believe that we have come to a dead end on this issue though, don't you think?
reece says2014-07-15T22:07:47.9932724-05:00
I don't believe in dead ends ;).How do you know Hitler was hate driven? I don't believe their out of context, isn't the bible subjective?
mishapqueen says2014-07-15T22:19:00.7761344-05:00
Hitler really hate the Jews. (http://ww2history.Com/experts/Christopher_Browning/Hitler_s_ideology_about_the_Jews) I don't consider the Bible to be subjective. You can't just take a random verse out of it to prove your point. One has to take into account the context around it. Are you asking me to explain why I don't accept the verses you provided?
reece says2014-07-15T22:38:03.3827318-05:00
The bible is subjective. That's why people have different perception of the bibles and a brick wall blocking anyone else's thoughts on it. You can explain if you like..
mishapqueen says2014-07-16T16:03:01.4579112-05:00
Explanation for why it is out of context. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17) This means that Jesus is not discrediting the law, but he is fulfilling them for us because he is the only one who can perfectly keep the law. Jesus kept the law for us, to free us from its bondage. “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 5:16). I cannot see how Hitler fulfilled this unless you called his darkness light and his murder good. Makes no sense. The next one makes even less sense: “And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men” (Matthew 4:19) This isn't even a commandment, it is an observation. The Bible is not intended to be subjective. The reason why there is so much conflict is because people understand what the Bible says differently.
reece says2014-07-16T18:13:08.0252960-05:00
You just contradicted yourself ...
mishapqueen says2014-07-16T19:03:59.7366980-05:00
I did?
reece says2014-07-18T10:09:10.0647215-05:00
You said "The reason why there is so much conflict is because people understand what the Bible says differently." so what you just said, would have different meaning to others?
mishapqueen says2014-07-18T11:32:04.2524942-05:00
Well, the Bible is not intended to be subjective, it is the word of God. But often people treat it as subjective. Also, since God is on a completely different level than humans, we sometimes cannot understand what the Bible is saying, and we argue about our imperfect understanding.
reece says2014-07-18T11:44:52.4088922-05:00
So how do you know what you believe about the bible is true?
mishapqueen says2014-07-18T12:34:36.9645700-05:00
By looking at the context, and doing my best to remain consistent. I'm not perfect, so I'm always open to altering my views on doctrine. I pray for wisdom and guidance, and listen to other perspectives to learn from them.
reece says2014-07-26T01:50:04.0151326-05:00
But how do you know?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T01:50:55.9926666-05:00
Because it seems to fit. If it stops fitting, I adjust.
reece says2014-07-26T01:54:57.4105286-05:00
That's how the beliefs of Christianity changes ;) (different doctrines) that's a bad thing by the way.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T02:08:26.3424704-05:00
Why is it bad? You don't think it is good to be open-minded?
reece says2014-07-26T02:12:15.9472411-05:00
The "faith" of Christianity isn't meant to be changed thus Christians are not meant to be open minded to new beliefs.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T02:14:18.3409181-05:00
But can't our understandings of the Bible change? Can't we learn other interpretations? Can't we change our views to fit the framework of the Bible better?
reece says2014-07-26T02:17:55.6263536-05:00
That's how new religions are born and how gods turn into mythology and i'm guessing Christians don't want that?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T02:19:30.1749231-05:00
Could you elaborate?
reece says2014-07-26T02:26:10.3560652-05:00
"Can't we change our views to fit the framework of the Bible better?" firstly you would have to know the hole meaning to the bible before you could do that but you cant because it's all open to interpretation. That's how there is different doctrines/churches of Christianity because people change their views thus new beliefs form and that why Christianity and a lot of other religions contradict it's self.
reece says2014-07-26T02:28:21.5594549-05:00
The Greeks warn't like suddenly 'oh where not going to believe in zeus anymore', no they changed their beliefs of the world.
reece says2014-07-26T02:30:43.5055672-05:00
We're* i mean, not where.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T09:08:21.7943776-05:00
The reason why there are so many interpretations is because sometimes the Bible is hard to understand, and other times, its message is inconvenient. And, yes the Greeks did lay down their beliefs in zeus to follow the Christian God.
reece says2014-07-26T09:40:03.1316797-05:00
Yes, it's all about convenience isn't it? (sarcasm) that's why people believe in things that aren't actually true.I think there are several mental disorders for that."yes the Greeks did lay down their beliefs in zeus to follow the Christian God." can you give me a link for this please? I love reading mythology.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T09:53:50.8663996-05:00
It is inconvenient to believe certain parts of Christianity because you immediately get attacked for it. The Greeks I was talking about were the Corinthians in the Bible. I personally know many people who dropped their old beliefs cold turkey to follow Christianity. Christianity demands that you give Jesus everything you have. The Bible is unchanging, and God is unchanging. The only things that change are our understanding and our relationship with God.
reece says2014-07-26T10:07:42.6994700-05:00
"It is inconvenient to believe certain parts of Christianity because you immediately get attacked for it." If you believed in certain parts of Christianity and acted upon them, you'ed get arrested/jailed/executed and i'm talking about the supposedly good things in the bible that it teaches. But could i have a link to how the Greeks changed beliefs from zeus to god? "The Bible is unchanging, and God is unchanging. The only things that change are our understanding and our relationship with God." The bible has changed all through out history thus our understanding of god is nullified.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T10:16:03.7888300-05:00
What do you mean by saying we will be arrested? Here is your link. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+19 How do you come to the conclusion that the Bible has been changed?
reece says2014-07-26T10:32:04.8343784-05:00
Like how we talked about god telling that man to kill because of revenge, etc. "https://www.Biblegateway.Com/passage/?Search=Acts+19" Why does it say "new international version"? The English language evolves/changes (words come and go) and with these words come emotional baggage/meaning. In conclusion the bible does change meaning believe it or not because language changes and our concept of words.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T10:37:01.5786178-05:00
That is from the Old Testament, and we Christians are no longer bound by that law. Reece, everytime the Bible is translated, we go back to the original languages. The words change, and that is why we translate again and again to put the meaning of the Greek and Hebrew words Bible into English words that mean the same thing. I can go into more depth if you want because I have translated lots of Greek.
reece says2014-07-26T10:48:44.3253319-05:00
I assume that's ancient Greek and Hebrew? I know what you're saying but that doesn't change the fact that we still put different emotional baggage's/meanings onto WORDS, it doesn't matter what language it's from. But if you think your point is right and i don't understand what you're saying, you can go into more depth.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T10:54:10.1295956-05:00
There are certain things that don't translate very well. For example, Greek has several nuanced meanings for the word love, and uses several different words. We use the word "love" for all those meanings. So, if we use the word agape, and it isn't human love in the sense of romance, we say things like sacrificial or selfless love. Yes, there are some things that we might miss because of these nuances, but adding words to highlight the nuances helps to retain the meaning. I tend to translate word for word except in cases where there is a Greek idiom that doesn't translate well, where I shoot for making the meaning clearer.
reece says2014-07-26T11:02:12.3896713-05:00
*slowly slides hand down face in frustration* that doesn't change the fact that words still change meaning... And amplify that over 2000 years.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:03:37.3778504-05:00
Give me an example please. It's hard to argue abstracts.
reece says2014-07-26T11:17:31.1920700-05:00
I'm really sorry but this was the only really good example i could think of and this is how words change meaning over time because of emousional reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WlVDFRYViw
reece says2014-07-26T11:19:46.0194128-05:00
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:20:54.0648680-05:00
OK. So.... Ummmm..... And what does that have to do with the Bible? Moving on. We used to have "ye" be the second person plural personal pronoun. Now we don't use it anymore, we use y'all instead or just you. When a word changes meaning, we just translate with another word that fits better.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:22:14.8863956-05:00
Another example is "mean." It used to just mean small, but now it means unkind. So we translate using the unkind definition instead of the small one.
reece says2014-07-26T11:28:38.6749762-05:00
Obviously you didn't watch half the video.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:32:55.4925141-05:00
I watched about 30 seconds of it. You know why.
reece says2014-07-26T11:34:55.4534218-05:00
Because of emotional reason... You know it wasn't originally a swearword?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:36:36.7461697-05:00
Yes. But now it is, and I don't want to fill my mind with that. It is disgusting language, and the more I hear it, the more likely I am to say it. And I never want to say words of that nature.
reece says2014-07-26T11:38:12.0172018-05:00
None the less words do change meaning because of false emotional attachments...
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:42:20.6311081-05:00
Could you give me an example from the Bible of such a word. (Notice the key word) :D
reece says2014-07-26T11:47:46.1104977-05:00
I would say 'The hole thing because it's open to interpretation' but you just want one word? Do you know why it's open to interpretation?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:51:24.4344403-05:00
You say words change because of emotional attachments. I'm inviting you to provide an example of such a word that is related to the topic at hand. You can't just throw out assertions like these without backing it up.
reece says2014-07-26T11:56:25.0054204-05:00
Okay one sec.So you don't agree that words change meaning?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T11:59:10.1657965-05:00
Seeing as I gave you examples of changes, I do. But it doesn't create a problem because there are other words that fit better.
reece says2014-07-26T12:05:59.4084664-05:00
"servant" is one example
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T12:07:18.7047913-05:00
reece says2014-07-26T13:27:31.4909431-05:00
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/servant The definition has changed...
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T13:30:47.8518824-05:00
1. It has not changed significantly 2. It does not affect the accuracy of the Bible.
reece says2014-07-26T13:35:55.3494325-05:00
1. Now apply that to almost every word in the bible, then hole scriptures would be almost impossible to understand 2. What's the point of the accuracy in the Bible if you don't know the actual meaning?
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T13:37:01.0435055-05:00
You keep avoiding my question.
reece says2014-07-26T13:41:57.4690049-05:00
Could you give me the question please? And could you answer mine "What's the point of the accuracy in the Bible if you don't know the actual meaning?"
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T13:51:48.0580472-05:00
Moving to PM since GCL says to. :)
reece says2014-07-26T13:53:49.5329111-05:00
Okay, but you still have to answer me.
mishapqueen says2014-07-26T14:02:00.7830638-05:00
And vice versa.
Eli01 says2014-12-11T19:29:34.9216871-06:00
Whoa. That many comments between 2 ppl.
mishapqueen says2014-12-11T19:41:47.4040994-06:00
Yep, and this is only one out of many!
Eli01 says2014-12-11T19:47:22.9536464-06:00
mishapqueen says2014-12-11T20:10:26.3662418-06:00
That's my opinion too! It drove people nuts though...
wildmanz says2015-01-04T09:41:29.6042075-06:00
There now its between 3 people
reece says2015-03-05T19:50:35.2874707-06:00
Nope, 4.
Debate_against_me says2016-02-26T20:13:22.8730765Z
Best thing to do is read. It expands your imagination
NDECD1441 says2017-08-01T01:20:37.2906657Z
5 now. 6 with my frisnd who keeps saying "6, including me." Its funny how the sarcasm between queen and reece strided on to more than 90% of the comments. Couldnt stop laughing.
NDECD1441 says2017-08-01T01:21:20.7848597Z

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