Do you support Britain's decision to leave the European Union?

Posted by: NewLifeChristian

Britain voted to leave the European Union. Do you agree?

  • Yes, I agree with the decision to leave.

  • No, I do not agree with the decision to leave.

52% 13 votes
48% 12 votes
  • We are now one step closer to eliminating the enemy (United Nations).

  • I generally disagree with a consolidation of nations whose authority supersedes individual countries law. In this case it is primarily financial and immigration policies, but I applaud them for leaving and not giving into the scare tactics.

    Posted by: Crede
  • Being older I remember life outside of the EU and just being trading partners, as the years have gone by the push for integration has taken from us many freedoms. It may seem that we need to be integrated in the EU but this is because you are young and you don't know life outside of the EU cage. We really do not need to be bound by those across the channel. We can still trade with the EU as many countries do, we just make our own decisions and trade with the rest of the world if we choose . The leave voters I know are middle class, anti Farrage and immigration played little part in the decision. They voted leave so you are no longer controlled by the EU and might know the freedom we knew. Celebrate your freedom and this fresh start!

  • There is no need to remain in the European Union. There is already enough immigration problems in Britain as a result of the membership. Withdrawal will be a good thing.

  • I am happy with us leaving the EU. I was always for Brexit. But please remove Donald Trump's photo. Most Leave voters are anti Trump!

  • 1. Britain will get to make their own trade deals, as opposed to abiding by the Eu's trade deals. 2. Britain will get to cancel some of the EU's strict regulations. 3. Britain will get to set it's own immigration laws, as opposed to the EU's.

  • A terrible decision.

  • Unless we get a Corbyn government soon, the UK is screwed

  • Economic failure

    Posted by: maslow
  • It was obviously a very rash decision, Scotland voted mostly to remain in the EU, there will be another referendum for Scotland to separate from Great Britain, which will hurt both economies. In the short term, pound is dropping, while the dollar is strengthening, making American exports very expensive to the Brits, inflicting on their business which is already impeded from less expats and immigrants, which is part of the workforce. The Brexiters are disillusioned to think they will not go into a recession. And if immigrants are the problem, wouldn't you take that up with the ECHO, humanitarian commission? Why not work within the democratically elected system? I thought borders are determined by trade deals? AND will anybody trade with you? What kind of tariffs? It was a horrid decision in a very unpredictable time, I saw polls where voters didn't even know how much money they give in and how much rebates the EU gives out, citizens giving outlandish proportions as brexiters. Yes we have Greece and the PIGS, you can't just escape the Eurozone crisis to find a another crisis.

  • I've not yet seen any argument for why Brexit will make things better that is not based on pure ideology , whereas there are many reasons for why it may make things worse.

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Vox_Veritas says2016-06-24T17:59:25.3410458Z
It's kind of funny how we're basically just a bunch of Americans talking about the Brexit.
NewLifeChristian says2016-06-24T18:00:53.4538034Z
@TheBilbo1 So you'd rather have a massive disaster (which is the European Union) than a temporarily bad economy?
TheBilbo1 says2016-06-24T18:21:42.1638079Z
@NewLifeChristian, I believe that we will go from a bad economy to a worse economy than it was at the start of the 23rd of June. The problem is with the EU we knew were we stood whereas outside we don't know. These next few years will be uncertain a business doesn't like uncertainty. Also, I would rather live in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, with Great Britain consisting of England, Wales and Scotland. I want Scotland to stay in this great historic Union, I do not want the possibility for Scotland to leave. However I would rather not dwell on the way we should have gone, rather we should look to the future, see the course we must take and make the most of this situation which we have found ourselves.
maslow says2016-06-24T19:59:34.5204812Z
NewLIFEChristian: Please extol the virtues of a TEMPORARY bad economy of a state that is in near collapse if it were not for my country holding them up? You are so worldly and knowledgeable about the US economy, I know you have to be a freaking genius on global economy.
maslow says2016-06-24T20:03:33.7666820Z
It would take a minimum of two years for the UK to leave the EU. During that time Britain would continue to abide by EU treaties and laws - however it would not take part in any decision making. What will happen during that time? The UK would have to thrash out the terms of its departure. Issues would include what financial regulations would still apply to the City of London, trade tariffs and movement rights of EU citizens and UK nationals. The agreement would have to be ratified both by the European council and the parliament in Strasbourg. How would Brexit impact the EU? Some people in the EU community believe that Britain quitting its membership could encourage other nations to follow suit with referendums of their own - or demand tailor-made deals of their own.
NewLifeChristian says2016-06-24T20:08:19.2521720Z
@TheBilbo1 I still think the consequences of staying in the European Union vastly outnumber the consequences of leaving. I think Britain will be a much safer place now.
BrendanD19 says2016-06-24T20:16:29.7724049Z
NewLifeChristian says2016-06-24T20:35:23.0873990Z
@BrendanD19 Well, by staying in the European Union, Britain could potentially be putting lives at risk due to the Union's reckless immigration policy. In addition, the European Union is practically a mini version of a world government. It is in the best interest of humanity to eliminate all international governmental organizations (except for the WHO and other intergovernmental non-governing groups). And lastly, now that Britain is out of the European Union, it can finally achieve true sovereignty.
Kreakin says2016-06-24T23:37:28.3518962Z
@Meggie84 - Bye then - we'll miss you xx
TheBilbo1 says2016-06-24T23:48:55.1484736Z
This referendum was fought on emotions and not the facts. I weep for my country. There is now a petition that Britain should have a second referendum. They say "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum". It has way over 100,000 signatures so it has to be discussed. At 00:48 UK time, the amount of signatures is 444,011 and growing. Personally I feel stabbed in the back. Many older people have damaged my future as a young person.
Kreakin says2016-06-24T23:51:12.3909428Z
Will never happen, the choice has been made. YOU LOST GET OVER IT!!!
Kreakin says2016-06-24T23:57:29.7153989Z
Sorry to sound harsh but bad a looser is a bad looser, you would be laughing at the Brexiters if they had lost and wanted this.
TheBilbo1 says2016-06-25T00:01:43.2973976Z
I accept the decision but we cannot be over it, this is too big a decision to 'be over. I believe the Conservatives should never have put it in their manifesto, I have said that from the start. Also, Mr Cameron should have called it an advisory referendum like Harold Wilson did in 1975. At least now it should be the end of UKIP considering that their goal is at an end. I am not saying we should have another referendum but Nigel Farage ‘"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it". If the roles had been reversed, he would be saying this again. So I do hope he says that another referendum is out of the question because that would be a bit hypocritical considering he was prepared to do the same.
Crede says2016-06-25T00:07:57.0190622Z
From most of the people who were against the separation, it sounds like the main argument is fear of freedom. In the EU they were less free but had more "security" supposedly. Now they are all alone in the world. This is actually a good thing. Your country can now be as good and prosperous as it wants to be, not to be dragged down by the rest of the sinking EU. Be glad you got out early IMO.
Kreakin says2016-06-25T00:11:21.0709862Z
Who listens to Farage?? The referendum had to happen, closer integration without consent wasn't an option. Seriously, I think in time you will find it's actually a good thing to think for ourselves and be able to act on it without other countries permission. We can still trade with the EU, but now we can trade with any other country as well. The UK trades too much with the EU for them to cut us off and vice versa. A deal will happen to both sides advantage. Not to mention I get to keep my 3.5KW kettle and toaster! Worth voting out alone!
TheBilbo1 says2016-06-25T01:10:35.0377304Z
Only time will tell. No one can be sure.
TheBilbo1 says2016-06-25T01:11:42.0098183Z
However Scottish independence is a worry for me.
Kreakin says2016-06-26T13:33:51.4077307Z
Why? If the Scots want that then good for them! Your EU mindset says they should stay joined, why? If they want freedom good for them!!!
Kreakin says2016-06-26T13:38:06.7222405Z
The millions of men that died in WW2 fighting for freedom from Germany would be rejoicing now!! Lets not forget what they gave to be free of that countries influence.
Kreakin says2016-06-26T13:51:31.4481157Z
@ srehtiw - Thats because you are thinking in a biased way, it's obvious from your comment you are a victim of confirmation bias. There are pros and cons to both sides when you think about it logically.
srehtiw says2016-06-26T13:52:53.8801009Z
@Kreakin Then name one.
Kreakin says2016-06-26T14:02:01.4506309Z
No EU trade barriers to UK exporters to non-EU countries?
srehtiw says2016-06-26T14:10:33.6240802Z
You mean the minuscule amount of exports, which we will need to negotiate new trade deals with literal every country in the world order to export, during years of financial uncertainty which will undermine our much bigger more important financial and tertiary sectors, and which we will have to negotiate even more new deals just in order to get the raw materials to produce said exports as we currently import all the materials through the EU? While bearing in mind that we will not be given nearly as high a priority by the necessary countries to negotiate these deals because we are really not as important on the world stage as we think we are. You mean those exports?
Kreakin says2016-06-26T14:13:41.5140934Z
There's that bias again. Thats a rather long sentence with some pressure of speech. Try to relax and think logically and put emotions to one side. You asked for an example, I gave it.
srehtiw says2016-06-26T14:17:58.9190434Z
Can you refute the points though? Practically when we talk about improving exports we are talking about putting a lot of time and effort into achieving very little, while jeopardising a lot. Do you feel that is worth it?
Kreakin says2016-06-26T14:26:11.3893138Z
Who says we will achieve "very little"?? This is the situation and if we look for the positives there will be many opportunities for those that want them. It's not the strongest or fittest that survive but those that can adapt to change quickly. Yes, it will be a lot of work but seize the opportunity and get a head start on the others whilst they still think there is a hope of reversal. It's going to be what we make it.
srehtiw says2016-06-26T14:36:26.6651458Z
But at the moment we produce and export very little, therefore any gains will by definition also be very small as we can only make gains on what we make, so the only way we could make significant gains out of this would be by shifting the emphasis in our economy back onto the manufacturing industry, which I would view as a regression in our society as I would generally view it as a good thing that the majority of people no longer have to do manual work and our economy is no longer built on manufacturing. However this may be where our ideologies differ.
Kreakin says2016-06-27T14:12:15.5409088Z
srehtiw says2016-06-27T16:29:56.4145687Z
12-15%. We have seriously endangered 78.4% of our economy to provide a potential boost to at most 15% of our economy. Do you see why I am not thrilled with this turn of events?
Kreakin says2016-06-27T16:34:35.7535405Z
You are grossly over simplifying everything to suit your case. Germany is already thinking of the UK car market for example, we will work out deals quick enough. There is nothing to panic about.
srehtiw says2016-06-27T16:47:37.2037681Z
Germany is thinking, as is France. The things France is thinking are radically different to what Germany is thinking and less advantageous to us as they on the other hand sell far fewer cars to us and have much less of a vested interest in us. So the deal they will want to negotiate with us will be much less favourable than the one Germany wants to, and nothing will get done till they come to an agreement. That is not even considering the other 25 countries which will all have their own agendas and must come to a consensus for anything to happen. That is the problem with the EU and we must now deal with it without being able to influence it. At the same time we must also begin negotiations with: India, the USA, China and every other country in the world to get trade deals in place again, while bearing in mind that there are a grand total of 12 people in the UK experienced to negotiate such a deal. During all this the uncertainty will cause investors to shy away from us which will damage our stock markets and the rest of our financial sector and by extension the economy as a whole. This is the problem with starting from scratch in the modern world with an economy based primarily on the financial sector.
Kreakin says2016-06-27T16:50:51.5991064Z
Like we did with Mark Carney, we will get the best people in. We should get some excellent deals, we have a lot to offer!
srehtiw says2016-06-27T16:56:28.0507765Z
And we might, but we might not and who knows if we will? I don't, you don't, Cameron doesn't, neither does Boris, Merkel, Putin, Obama, Trump, Clinton or anyone else in the entire world who. And this creates uncertainty, and uncertainty is cyanide to investment or business in general as nobody wants to take a chance which could backfire. So while when everything is done with everything may turn out alright how long will that take? And what will be the economic effects in the meantime?
Kreakin says2016-06-27T17:14:34.6116715Z
Investors incorrectly bet on a remain vote winning, it will settle. In the longer term we will be a global hub and making our own rules that are best for us, trading with who ever we wish. Not just who the EU allows. England won't contribute to an EU army controlled by Germany and we won't have to listen to stupid things, such as: The EU was forced to backtrack after its scientists claimed there was no proof drinking water helped with dehydration. Cucumbers and bananas should not be bendy, they must conform! Diabetics should be banned from the roads. Eggs should not be sold by the dozen. In 2014 vacuum cleaners, which had motors above the EU limit of 1,600 watts had to go. (Kettles and toasters where next but was put on hold as they worried it might effect the referendum). The stupidity goes on...Until now. On a side note, If Scotland want out it's there loss.
eZminT says2016-06-29T06:29:27.0843254Z
"Aye general Washington, we shouldn't fight the British and declare our sovereignty which will give birth to the greatest nation the world has ever seen, our economy will temporarily go to shit"

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