Do you support the East Turkestan movement in China

Posted by: ChosenWolff

  • Yes, the people have a right to self determination

  • No, China encompasses 55 ethnic groups, 6 distinct religions, and many different cultures. Why should East Turkestan be the exception?

50% 3 votes
50% 3 votes
  • This was a tough one for me. China isn't one culture, religion, or ethnic group like other nations. It's one body of people, with different religions, ethnicities, and cultures, much like the US. The difference between the United States and China, is that each region and group of people have states, where they can rule themselves. If china were a federalist nation, I would support them against the terrorists and rebels in the region. Until then, I'm siding with the terrorists, once again.

  • They're being persecuted, discriminated against and not given human rights. The Uyghurs should not be forced to be apart of something they don't want to be apart of; Han culture. If the allegations of people under the age of 18 being banned from going into a mosque, it's wrong.

  • No more theocracies! If they were pushing for an independent secular state I'd support them. But they'd probably try to institute an Islamic theocracy. Up with Reason! Down with Theocracy! I'm no fan of the Chinese government but change your movement to a secular democratic one and you'll have my support.

  • Every country have enclave of different minority and cultures. if East Turkestan can secede from China, so should Texas from America, Eastern Ukraine from Ukraine, wealthy part of California from the impoverished part of California. it would lead to alot of chaos

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ChosenWolff says2014-07-07T19:18:29.8098361-05:00
MasturDbator, the East Turkestan movement is for the establishment of an independent state. There are many groups who want a secular democracy, rather than a sectarian theocracy.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-07T19:30:18.0645619-05:00
I think discomfitting is taking his stance a little to far. One thing I've always praised China on, is nationalizing the country. Chiang Kai Shek, you did us well.
discomfiting says2014-07-07T19:41:12.6582906-05:00
This isn't a topic I'm good with. I just looked it up and read a little about it. :p
ChosenWolff says2014-07-07T19:44:02.1990906-05:00
Chinese isn't an inherent race. The Democratic nationalists, known as the Kuomintang, tried to united all ethnic groups in China under one nationality. Chiang Kai Shek had trouble with the Turks as well, but he was able to suppress movements and focused a lot of the economy towards bringing Turkish citizens into Chinese identity. Which was hard, as it's like trying to make a German a French man. Mao tried to carry on Chiang and Sun's goal after ousting the Kuomintang, but chose to take a violent policy towards Tibetans, Fuions, and Turks within the nation.
LogicalLunatic says2014-07-07T20:33:15.9242543-05:00
I can't really explain, but this poll looks familiar from something I saw several months ago.
ChosenWolff says2014-07-07T20:33:44.5333981-05:00
Can you show me?
Rhodesia79 says2014-07-07T20:45:53.2858425-05:00
Jif I'm very confused at where you stand in this. By the looks of it you support independence for any people group if they do it peacefully and is decided by the nation as a whole not just the separatists. This excludes the Russians since they are violent and I guess the Americans since we were violent in our independence movement as well. You also mentioned that Crimea isn't fighting for independence even though 90% of the population voted for independence in the election. Also what I meant was the rebels in eastern Ukraine who are fighting. I took this from your past votes and this response: Rhodesia, I also believe in national voting for self determination. Ukraine had different laws, policies, and in actuality, Crimea wasn't fighting to be independent. I think an Azawadi state is more beneficial and will cause more peace, but there is a different from giving my views on people and forcing change through violent and undemocratic decisions. Niger and Mali aren't ideal democracies, and are very corrupt.

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