Do you think Bernie Sanders would make a good president?

Posted by: SNP1

  • Yes

  • No

53% 10 votes
47% 9 votes
  • He will make a great president.

    Posted by: TBR
  • Best Democrat along with O Malley

    Posted by: Kylar
  • I've come to see that a lot of people are both ignorant and conservative on this website. It actually makes me sad. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist who fights for the crumbling middle class. Open your eyes, do a little research, and stop being brainwashed people. Bernie Sanders is by far the best candidate out there right now.

  • Bernie Sanders if offering a free scholarship for all colleges. He said it will take him a couple of years or so, but he will do it.

  • Socialist. Need I say more? Rand Paul 2016

  • No, I hate the darn commie and I want to make as much money from my private health care company, who cares if we reject people just to make as much money as possible

  • Way too far left. Rand Paul 2016.

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SNP1 says2015-05-02T13:30:33.0962008-05:00
CyberConor: What is wrong with socialism? Look at countries like Switzerland.
CyberConor says2015-05-02T13:33:02.3121138-05:00
They switched to free market, and limited government. They're may have some socialist aspects, but mostly free market. And look at Hong Kong. THey have free market. Or Singapore. (even though they got a dictator), they were 3rd world, and they switched to capitalism, and they are one of the richest countries in china.
CyberConor says2015-05-02T13:33:11.1195309-05:00
Eh, no china, i meant asia
SNP1 says2015-05-02T13:37:53.6395769-05:00
You do realize there are different types of socialism, right? Sanders follows Scandinavian Socialism. You are appealing to a different type of socialism in your example countries. Socialism does not mean there can't be a free market (certain types of socialism, mostly communism, do not allow free market, but not all). It is a type of socialism that combines a free market with a welfare state.
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:41:54.3127506-05:00
Look at the U.S. in the 1920s at home, and look at it during the New Deal. I think that settles the debate. And for your information, @CyberConor, socialism is defined as "Community ownership and management of the means of production, distribution, and exchange". The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, and some others that claimed they were socialist and based their official ideology on Marxist-Leninist doctrine were all controlled by an elite minority rather than the "community as a whole". Socialist in ideology, but that's about all they ever were. And what does it matter how "rich" a country is (and what does that even mean?)?
CyberConor says2015-05-02T13:41:59.9574066-05:00
Well, why should I take care of someone else, i'm not their parent. I'm not giving them free money.
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:43:02.1710042-05:00
You should care about them if you want to live in our society. That's the membership fee.
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:47:07.7181522-05:00
At least, that's the way it should be...
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:48:34.9112299-05:00
Doesn't even matter when taxation benefits most people... Certain capitalists still hate it
SNP1 says2015-05-02T13:50:37.2313672-05:00
Capitalism is a system to feed greed and destroy empathy. Socialism is a system to try and overcome greed and to use human empathy to make society a better place.
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:52:42.6715845-05:00
Well, I look at it as a system of reconciling the interests of as many people possible to promote as much satisfaction with society as possible.
SNP1 says2015-05-02T13:54:35.0538872-05:00
That is a longer way of putting it, probably a better way, but still.
debate_power says2015-05-02T13:56:16.6579898-05:00
I just hope I'm right in supporting it... It seems like a difficult thing to test
debate_power says2015-05-02T14:00:28.5388190-05:00
The thing is with politics is that it's entirely subjective. Everyone's priorities are different. But arguably, since the U.S. became "more socialist", the quality of life improved for much more people. Worker's rights, more healthcare, minimum wage, more influence for the working classes...
debate_power says2015-05-02T14:03:00.7232370-05:00
We exported the new American model of capitalism to Europe, too, with the great success that is easily visible in Europe today and was striking against the Eastern Bloc's pseudo-socialist monopoly economy... Can the laissez-faire stuff of the 1920s speak as loudly?
CyberConor says2015-05-02T14:20:09.5016334-05:00
You can't force someone to feel emphathy, thats free will. What are private charities for? And the people one welfare, do they deserve the money i work for.
SNP1 says2015-05-02T14:25:21.2920360-05:00
Conor, maybe you should watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvJ8YDma7Wk&feature=youtu.be
debate_power says2015-05-02T14:37:15.9827192-05:00
@Conor I'm not advocating forcing anyone to feel empathy. I'm saying the U.S. should be organized in a way so membership is absolutely voluntary so taxation is just paying debts to society. And whether they "deserve" your money or not is entirely subjective, but I'd say they do as long as the decision was democratically made.
CyberConor says2015-05-02T14:40:26.8944710-05:00
I watched it, I think negative rights are more important.
CyberConor says2015-05-02T14:40:57.1466469-05:00
Positive rights mostly make no sense.
debate_power says2015-05-02T14:41:34.1348288-05:00
Hm, I'll watch that video too.
SNP1 says2015-05-02T14:45:12.3637950-05:00
So, you do not think there should be a right of education? You do not think there should be a right of healthcare? How about the minimum wage (which is, arguably, there because of positive rights)?
tommytom says2015-05-03T17:18:57.8692905-05:00
Fun Fact: Bernie Sanders is not a socialist. He's a democratic socialist. Yes, there's a difference. He's even said this himself. Do your research. He's not a communist and he's not the same socialists as those in the USSR or China.
CyberConor says2015-05-03T18:08:28.9387061-05:00
Sure, right for there things, but pay for them. Not the right for FREE health care. Same thing with guns, we don't want free guns, we want the right to bear arms.
SNP1 says2015-05-03T18:43:39.7473629-05:00
If you want everyone to have a universal right to healthcare, but then make it so that the lower 20% can't afford it, you are pretty much saying their right to healthcare doesn't matter. If healthcare is a POSITIVE right, then it is an obligation to make it so everyone can get healthcare (meaning free). Same with education as a positive right.
Kylar says2015-06-25T13:30:21.2525961-05:00
Look if i vote democrat its sanders

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