Do you think God is real?

Posted by: rphk123

It is fact that none of us can prove or disprove god so I don't want that as an answer. I am asking if you believe that he is real. Not emotionally, I mean does he physically exist.

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PetersSmith says2015-04-28T15:54:12.8789466-05:00
I don't believe the Christian god exists. And I presume that is the one you are referring to?
triangle.128k says2015-04-28T16:05:31.6230154-05:00
-Grabs bag of popcorn and waits for flame war-
ObliviousCat says2015-04-28T16:18:37.2073198-05:00
No, I don't believe in God because I believe in logic and rational reasoning. I know you said this wasn't the type of answer you wanted to hear, but there is no plausible evidence to prove the existence of a god and therefore it's irrational to believe in it. Not to mention, the Christian God is definitely not an "all-loving" being and I would not want to exalt this being if He turned out to be real.
CannedBread says2015-04-28T16:19:49.1948133-05:00
Ovliviouscat, you must love Hell right?
CannedBread says2015-04-28T16:20:12.6920160-05:00
Cause your getting a one way ticket.
triangle.128k says2015-04-28T16:20:41.5869571-05:00
ObliviousCat says2015-04-28T16:25:28.9433984-05:00
Ah, CannedBread...These are the statements that turned me away from Christianity the most. Threatening me with eternal damnation because I don't believe in the same thing as you? Utterly ridiculous. Besides, you're contradicting your god. Why would God condemn me to eternal torture for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Supposedly this being is omnipotent and omniscient, meaning he knows me as much as I do. Therefore he would know of the point in my life that I questioned him and conducted research and came to such a conclusion. If anything, he would understand my moral intentions as a human being and there would be no reason to send me to Hell. It doesn't even make sense for an all-powerful and all-knowing god to create me with my questioning, rational mind if I were going to be punished for exercising it.
ObliviousCat says2015-04-28T16:33:32.4465394-05:00
CannedBread says2015-04-28T16:35:13.6251344-05:00
Obliviouscat, are you oblivious to eternal DAMNATION?
ObliviousCat says2015-04-28T16:37:31.3106594-05:00
Is the only thing you can respond with a reference and poor correlation to my username? Come on, you can do better than that, can't you? Your lack of response only suggests you haven't read anything I wrote in regards to your threat of eternal damnation.
CannedBread says2015-04-28T16:39:33.2886232-05:00
Its a joke ObliviousCat. DUH.
ObliviousCat says2015-04-28T16:40:56.4532894-05:00
And yet you still can't respond. There's really no point in continuing this conversation. You are dismissed.
CannedBread says2015-04-28T16:42:28.6192710-05:00
There was a question?
rphk123 says2015-04-28T16:48:36.9645402-05:00
No, I mean any god. I should have been more specific.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-28T16:51:09.4536532-05:00
"For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; it is those who keep it who will be declared just. When Gentiles who do not have the law keep it as by instinct, these men although without the law serve as a law for themselves. It shows that the demands of the law are written in their hearts. Their conscience bears witness together with that law, their thoughts will accuse or defend them on the day when, in accordance with the gospel I preach, God will pass judgement on the secrets of men through Jesus Christ. " Romans 2: 13-16 New American Standard Bible 1970
TheHappyReaper says2015-04-28T17:59:15.3294669-05:00
But in damnation, the the chocolate chips in cookies stay gooey.
Welliss says2015-04-28T18:03:45.3665926-05:00
@thehappyreaper That made my day. Also i'm an Agnostic/Apatheist. I think we could find out if a god exists if we try hard enough but what would that really accomplish? We discovered that a god does or doesn't exist. Way i see it, life would pretty much be the same.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-28T18:06:10.1208484-05:00
HappyReaper, Hell is a spiritual place where there is misery that is similar to burning. Since the place is spiritual, there is no actual heat (average kinetic energy of atoms), also there would be no chocolate chips. Also it is an eternity because there is no actual time, time is a product of the physical word.
applestoapples says2015-04-28T18:30:16.2286000-05:00
What proof do any of you have to prove that God doesn't exist, because Christians have proof to believe that he does. I like to believe evidence and atheists just don't have it.
Mister_Man says2015-04-28T18:37:07.0935380-05:00
@apples - the "proof" that we have is the simple fact that there is no proof of God's existence. What evidence do you have to cause you to believe? Like I said in my answer, by your own laws of logic, you should believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because there's no proof that it doesn't exist.
TheHappyReaper says2015-04-28T18:38:46.0115236-05:00
Mr. Math, if there is a will, there is a way
ashkan says2015-04-28T18:54:42.2280049-05:00
I guess he can be real.
Legendary_Houp says2015-04-28T19:54:41.2855238-05:00
ObliviousCat, wow that guy is really just a jerk. I am a Christian, and it saddens me so much to hear other Christians talk like that, it is perfectly understandable why you would not be interested in Christianity because of things like that and the hypocrisy of it's believers. He obviously is not aware that a main tenet of Christianity is to love EVERYONE. I am so sorry that he treated you that way, and it really hurts me when Christians abandon the philosophy of love that Christianity is SUPPOSED to support, and choose to pound the idea of damnation into the heads of unbelievers..... Such a shame.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-28T20:16:20.8445846-05:00
"Flying Spaghetti Monster, because there's no proof that it doesn't exist." You can prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster to not exist with philosophy. I can explain more if you need me to.
tajshar2k says2015-04-28T20:18:35.9735170-05:00
I'm not going to believe in something, because there is a possibility it is there.
triangle.128k says2015-04-28T20:20:05.0310255-05:00
Flame wars are quite entertaining when you're not part of it.
litinin says2015-04-29T17:08:51.3320377-05:00
Look around and see the wonders of the world, and then take it a step further, look into the night sky knowing there is infinity and eternal space and time without ending, stars that are actually suns with planets rotating around them and all the wonders we both know of and do not know of !! It seems that it would take more faith to not belive in God, which would be believing in nothing and this all just happened in the manner it all did then it would ever take to except what my eyes, heart and mind tell me!! And it screams loudly that God is very real !!
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T17:28:36.6212426-05:00
Mathgeek, I'd love for you to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Please, I'm begging you.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T17:29:39.5672426-05:00
It might take a while, but it is physiological reasoning.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T17:30:27.3678838-05:00
I can wait. Looking forward to it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T17:44:16.6746838-05:00
God is a non-physical being, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to create everything. Since god is non-physical and existed before the physical world was made, he would have to be absent from taking up space or being bound by time. Now the reason why the flying spaghetti monster isn't god is evident from two things specifically in its name. Flying is an act of a physical object. For something to fly, you need to move through space. A god does not take up space so a flying spaghetti monster would not be a god. Next is the term spaghetti, since a god would exist before the physical world, it would have no relations to physical things. Spaghetti doesn't have a soul which means it is completely physical, thus a god would not be made out of a substance similar to it. Spaghetti also is a 3 dimensional thing that takes up space, so it would be impossible for a non-physical being to be made out of spiritual spaghetti. Spaghetti is also a food that is made by people, it doesn't occur naturally so from that point a god wouldn't be made out of it either. Another important problem with the spaghetti monster is that it has dimensions, a god would not take up space so bingo another problem.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T19:37:16.6196068-05:00
@Mister_Man I am guessing you don't find my argument against the flying spaghetti monster sufficient.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T19:52:10.8770397-05:00
That's a lot better response than I was expecting. However you missed one thing. God is depicted as a big bearded guy in the clouds, so we could use your exact same argument against the physical nature of the FSP to God. You also missed one other thing - I asked you to disprove the FSP, not show the difference between God and the FSP. I didn't ask for you to show how the FSP isn't God, and I didn't ask for you to explain how the FSP doesn't share the same attributes as the Christian God. I'm simply asking you to DISPROVE the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence. You explaining how it isn't God does not disprove it's existence.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T19:55:16.9718255-05:00
Feel free to read up about the Flying Spaghetti Monster -
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:09:29.1516068-05:00
"God is depicted as a big bearded guy in the clouds, so we could use your exact same argument against the physical nature of the FSP to God." The god I believe in, isn't that, I consider anybody with that view to have a misconception. I also consider anybody who thinks god looks human to be incorrect. Only Jesus(well he is technically god too but I don't feel like going into the whole explanation of the trinity) was physical and is the only one that looks human.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:16:19.8634068-05:00
"We believe the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these “scientific theories” supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage. We don’t know why He does this but we believe He does, that is our Faith." This is what I disproved.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:17:44.3298991-05:00
A FSM that created the universe is what I was able to disprove. I would like you to explain what other FSM was I supposed to disprove.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:21:42.2017487-05:00
I don't feel you disproved that by explaining the difference between God and the FSP. Considering the FSP is worshipped by people and is part of a religion, I can't really change anything about the definition, so I shall ask for something else - please disprove the existence of a non-physical, undetectable omniscient omnipotent entity called Xanthar.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:21:52.4198797-05:00
"I didn't ask for you to show how the FSP isn't God, and I didn't ask for you to explain how the FSP doesn't share the same attributes as the Christian God." I wasn't comparing attributes merely with the Christian god, but gods in general. A god needs to be non-physical otherwise it wouldn't be able to create the universe.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:25:25.3938101-05:00
"Xanthar" You are going to need to be more specific of what this Xanthar is supposed to be, google searches didn't provide a description of an "non-physical, undetectable omniscient omnipotent entity".
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:27:40.3979409-05:00
" don't feel you disproved that by explaining the difference between God and the FSP." I was able to prove that the FSM wasn't able to create the universe since the universe could only be created by a non-physical being and the FSM didn't meet the that definition.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:41:02.5290245-05:00
I should have probably just got to my point before all of this. My point is that you can't disprove anything really. How do you know there isn't an invisible, undetectable flying unicorn that only exists whenever people don't look at it?
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:41:31.5924068-05:00
Sorry, that's only detectable* when people don't look at it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:42:40.4202795-05:00
"How do you know there isn't an invisible, undetectable flying unicorn that only exists whenever people don't look at it?" You could still detect its matter.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:43:45.8163179-05:00
"undetectable" - no you can not.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:44:18.6391387-05:00
So you are saying it doesn't have gravity.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-29T20:45:05.1121345-05:00
If it has a mass, it has gravity, and thus can be detected with the right equipment.
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:45:15.5642685-05:00
Mister_Man says2015-04-29T20:45:39.7364068-05:00
It does not have mass.
CharleneHanie says2015-04-30T14:55:27.6151239-05:00
I don't even know if i have a religion. I've been to church when I was little with my parents but everything confused me. There were people preaching to a higher power yet even as a child I could see the judgment in many of the attendees eyes and some times even the preacher himself when someone of what they called "Sin" walked into church. I didn't get it, so someone had a child out of wed lock, they work in a bar, etc... What did any of this have to do with what you r preaching. Shouldn't church be somewhere a person can go to feel safe and loved?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-30T15:02:58.7902238-05:00
Sorry for not replying, I missed the notification. "It does not have mass." Well if it doesn't have mass it would have to move at the speed of light. Which means it it can't think, react, age, see, or live. Also it wouldn't be able to get to that state since it cannot go from a state from matter to the speed of light. So it technically never lived, reacted, age, think or anything, so then how is it a unicorn?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-30T15:03:48.2938538-05:00
Oh and it wouldn't be able to fly since that requires pushing on something which is detectable, so it can't be a flying unicorn.
Mister_Man says2015-04-30T17:09:34.0518050-05:00
K wait so what do you consider God to be?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-30T17:17:16.9616776-05:00
Non-physical being that can control quantum mechanics.
Mister_Man says2015-04-30T17:19:20.9433172-05:00
Alright so disprove the existence of a space angel, which is a non-physical being that can control quantum mechanics.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-30T17:21:56.4396456-05:00
It is disprovable, but what you are calling a space angle (space is the wrong term for a non-physical being) is what I call god.
Mister_Man says2015-04-30T17:33:43.9545974-05:00
How is it disprovable? Go ahead and disprove it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-30T17:42:05.6020126-05:00
Disprovable by having a really accurate way to measure the outcomes of quantum in the human brain. If the Christian god exist then we would have some form of freewill and soul. The only way for us to have a non-physical conscience or soul would be if it influence the outcome of quantum mechanics. Now if you are able to measure all the outcomes of quantum mechanics in the human brain and are able to see that there is no pattern, then you could prove there is no soul. By consequence you can prove that god didn't give us free will which would disprove the Christian god.
Renegader says2015-04-30T17:51:28.3765005-05:00
Who cares? Anyone can make up a dumb story about a fairy monster and it's superpowers. Real physicists would cringe at the fact that you are trying to tie quantum mechanics to superstitious nonsense.
rphk123 says2015-04-30T18:39:12.2987813-05:00
Oh my, what have I done. This flame war doe.
Legendary_Houp says2015-04-30T19:45:09.7850804-05:00
I just got very confused, I think that both of you are misunderstanding what the other one is trying to say haha
Mister_Man says2015-04-30T20:23:10.7568806-05:00
I think I understand the first bit of what you're saying, but the end, "By consequence you can prove that god didn't give us free will which would disprove the Christian god," is kind of... I don't know. To prove that God didn't give us free will, we would have to disprove the existence of God... You said "If the Christian god exist then we would have some form of freewill and soul," and I say, simply, no. We do have a free will, we can do whatever we want, but that doesn't prove nor disprove the Christian God. ....Anyway, I don't think you've disproved anything, you've kind of explained how we can disprove the existence of a soul, but nothing really set in stone.
mishapqueen says2015-04-30T20:54:39.1973648-05:00
Rphk123, this is a normal response for this type of poll.
Firenze says2015-05-01T08:31:47.3799501-05:00
Mathgeek and Mister man, that was the best conversation I've ever read it made my day
Eli24 says2015-05-01T08:35:26.1240051-05:00
Everytime you ask them to disprove god, they start saying some confusing sh*t
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-01T08:48:32.5293341-05:00
"Real physicists would cringe at the fact that you are trying to tie quantum mechanics to superstitious nonsense." Renegader, I am not saying that quantum mechanics means there is a god or a soul. I am saying that if there is a soul or a god, then the only way they could interact with the physical world would be through altering the outcomes of quantum mechanics. If you were to find that there was no altering of the outcomes in quantum mechanics, then you could disprove a spiritual thing acting upon it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-01T08:51:07.0516973-05:00
" We do have a free will, we can do whatever we want," I am going to ask you to prove that we decide what our choices are.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-05-01T09:02:36.9845133-05:00
"Everytime you ask them to disprove god, they start saying some confusing sh*t" I am not disproving god, I am a Catholic, I am merely saying how would you could disprove or prove my beliefs. Now what I did do was disprove the FSM. Mister_Man said that the proof that christians believe in is equivalent to believing in the FSM, I claimed I could disprove the FSM, which I believe I did.
CodyNiskanen says2015-05-01T09:36:11.4188816-05:00
I believe in the christian God exists and has saved my life.
Ryian says2015-05-19T00:21:28.2269573-05:00
@ObliviousCat there is no plausible evidence to prove evolution or the big bang either...

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