Do you think society takes suicide seriously enough?

Posted by: PetersSmith

Is society doing enough to prevent suicide? Is it okay to joke about it? The answers vary in degrees, where if you vote for a "greatly" option, it means that you feel suicide should be taken very seriously, but society does not feel the same or vice versa.

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I think society somewhat doesn't take suicide enough.

In the state of Minnesota, suicide is the second leading cause of death in teens; in the United States, it’s the third leading cause of death, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). In southern Minnesota alone, there have...  been six teen suicides this summer, and thousands of teens across America commit suicide every year. What is causing this? What can we do to prevent it? Suicide is not a subject to be taken lightly, and although people of all ages do it, it’s most commonly attempted by those aged 15-24 years old. Teenagers have many stressors in their lives, including school, sports/extracurricular activities, friends, family, their appearance, cliques, jobs, trying to fit in, the pressure to excel in whatever they do and the fear of failing and disappointing not only themselves, but those close to them. Combine that with the hormones that come with adolescence which make it even harder to handle all of the emotions that come with being a teenager. The result can be a feeling of hopelessness and having nowhere to turn to deal with your problems. One of the biggest problems is that adults don’t take teenagers’ problems very seriously; they tend to view them as “phases” or petty problems that will just go away — but that’s not always the case. One of the biggest things you can do to prevent suicide is to make sure the person knows you care, you’re there for them, and you’ll support them no matter what. Statistics can tell us a lot about the subject. For instance, girls are twice as more likely to attempt suicide than boys, but boys die from suicide about four times more than girls. This is because for girls, attempting suicide is more of a cry for help, whereas boys don’t allow time for intervention and use more lethal methods. The National Institute of Mental Health estimates that for every one suicide that is completed, 25 more are attempted. One of the most important things to know is that a suicide attempt should always be taken seriously. Even if they think they don’t want help at the time, most people who have survived suicide attempts are glad that they were saved and able to get the help they needed to enjoy life again. In recent years, many suicides that have been attempted or committed are a result of bullying, and in most cases, that bullying was because of the victim’s sexual orientation. Bullying is a topic that has become very prominent in the public eye lately, and although efforts are being made to prevent it, it continues to be a daily problem for many teens. It’s so important to remember that what you say or do to a person can have extreme effects, both mentally and physically. Parents, one of the biggest things to teach your children is never to bully others, no matter what. As for children, teens, and even adults: bullying someone, even if it doesn’t seem like it, is never okay and should never be done. By doing your best to be nice to everyone, even if you don’t agree with something about them, you can help in preventing one of the nation’s biggest killers: suicide. Knowing the warning signs of suicide is one of the biggest steps in preventing it; four out of five suicide attempts have been preceded by clear warning signs, according to the National Institute of Mental Health. Many of these signs are also symptoms of depression or another psychological disorder, and approximately 95 percent of people who die by suicide have a psychological disorder at the time of death. If a teen does have an underlying psychological problem, finding and treating it can also help with prevention. It’s important to notice how often signs appear; a pattern can indicate a serious problem. Warning signs include: disinterest in favorite extracurricular activities, problems at work/losing interest in a job, substance abuse, behavioral problems, withdrawing from family and friends, sleep changes, change in eating habits, neglecting hygiene and personal appearance, emotional distress bringing on physical pain (fatigue, aches, migraines), hard time concentrating or paying attention, declining grades, loss of interest in schoolwork, risk-taking behaviors, more frequent complaints of boredom, doesn’t respond as before to praise, aggressive/disruptive behavior, and depression. It’s also important to remember that any teen is at risk for suicide, and not all of these signs have to be present for them to be contemplating it. Good students, poor students, shy people, popular people— it could happen to anyone, which is why knowing all the signs and being sure to watch for them is essential. There are also signs that indicate that a person may have a suicide plan: the person actually saying, “I want to kill myself,” or, “I don’t want to be here any more,” verbal hints — phrases like, “I want you to know something, in case something happens to me,” or “I won’t trouble you any more,” giving away favorite belongings or promising them to friends and family, throwing away important possessions, signs of extreme cheerfulness following periods of depression, creating suicide notes, or expressing bizarre/unsettling thoughts on occasion. Other than knowing the warning signs, there are other actions that can be taken in order to prevent teen suicide. Nearly 60 percent of teen suicides in the United States are committed with a gun, so keeping all firearms unloaded, locked, and out of reach of children and teens is very important. Another common form of suicide is overdosing on over-the-counter, prescription, and non-prescription pills. It’s important to carefully monitor all medications in your home. Nearly every teenager has had suicidal thoughts at some point. It’s figuring out whether or not they’re going to act on these thoughts that is the difficult part. Suicide affects so many more people than just the victim, which is why preventing it is so crucial. Any life lost is a tragedy, but knowing that a person felt the need to take their own life puts guilt and confusion in the minds of those close to the victim, as well. The biggest thing to remember is to always let the person know they have your support and unconditional love, whether they are thinking of attempting suicide or have already attempted it. There are many suicide prevention organizations out there for those who are thinking of committing suicide, have survived an attempt, or know someone who has fallen victim to it. Just a few of them include: The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (www.Afsp.Org), Yellow Ribbon (www.Yellowribbon.Org), SPAN USA or Suicide Prevention Action Network (www.Spanusa.Org), Suicide Prevention Resource Center (www.Sprc.Org), and the Hotline for Suicidal Crisis (1-800-SUICIDE). Nobody should ever have to feel the need to take their own life, and with the support of others, we can help bring down the numbers of teens who commit suicide and ultimately save many lives. After all, suicide really is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, even if it seems like things won’t get better — they will   more
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I think society does not take suicide seriously enough.

Myth: The people who talk about it don't do it. Studies have found that more than 75% of all completed suicides did things in the few weeks or months prior to their deaths to indicate to others that they were in deep despair. Anyone expressing suici... dal feelings needs immediate attention. Myth: Anyone who tries to kill himself has got to be crazy. Perhaps 10% of all suicidal people are psychotic or have delusional beliefs about reality. Most suicidal people suffer from the recognized mental illness of depression; but many depressed people adequately manage their daily affairs. The absence of craziness does not mean the absence of suicide risk. Those problems weren't enough to commit suicide over, is often said by people who knew a completed suicide. You cannot assume that because you feel something is not worth being suicidal about, that the person you are with feels the same way. It is not how bad the problem is, but how badly it's hurting the person who has it   more
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I think society largely does not take suicide seriously enough.

Erin Shwatty- Suicide jokes are not funny. This is for the people that pretend to shoot themselves in the head to express what they are feeling. And for the people that express frustrations by saying things like “I want to find the tallest building”...  or “I could just kill myself.” I have a message for you: Your joke is not funny - it's dangerous. To be completely honest, I used to make jokes about suicide too. I also used to describe something off-putting by saying it was gay or retarded. But making fun of people, whether they’re homosexuals, disabled or even if they are thinking about suicide, just isn’t funny – it is harmful. Why? Keep reading... Statistics show that most everyone will experience periods of anxiety, sadness and despair at some point in their life that may lead them to think about suicide. For someone who is contemplating suicide, even if it is just that one passing thought, they are not encouraged to seek help by hearing your jokes. We need to be able to talk about our feelings of depression openly, and we need to encourage each other to seek professional help. I hear fewer references today about something being gay or mentally challenged. Hopefully the way that we joke about suicide will catch up with these realizations, too. Some may complain that this is being too politically correct. But is trying not to offend people such a bad thing; especially when it has the potential to hurt them? Wouldn’t you rather live in a world that is considerate and compassionate toward others   more
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I think society considers suicide a joke, and that's a very big problem.

On Tuesday afternoon, a man crawled out of an apartment window. He stood on the ledge above the Forever 21 store at Powell St. Near the cable car turnaround and, eventually, he jumped. He was pronounced dead at the scene. But this is only part of t... he story. According to the SF Examiner, a large crowd watched as the man contemplated his demise. Some people tweeted about it. Even more horrifying, others encouraged him to jump, said passerby Terence Prasad, of San Francisco. (**The Chronicle and SFGate elected not to report on the suicide) Online commenters who say they witnessed the incident paint a similarly disturbing picture. They describe the callous reaction and behavior of bystanders. At the same time, posters expressed with startling honesty the trauma of seeing the suicide while offering an outpouring of empathy, perhaps making up for the sickening lack of humanity yesterday and reminding us there are still many good, decent people out there   more
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I think society considers suicide a joke, and I agree that suicide is a joke as well.

You have no pity for the suicidal, you even look down on them and like any other thing you look down on, you like to hear jokes that make fun of them.
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I think society generally does not take suicide seriously enough.

Kira Mills- Suicide is nothing to joke about. How many times have you heard it? That side comment where someone’s done something stupid and said, “Gosh, maybe I should just kill myself!” Or how about when they’re weighing two situations and deciding...  which one’s more preferable and quipped, “I’d rather kill myself than be anywhere near those two!” Every time I hear someone talk like that, my blood starts to boil. I often wonder if people know what they’re saying when they’re saying it. They say it like it’s a joke, like suicide is something that can just be laughed off. That’s not how it works. As I have said before, I have clinical depression. Before I was on my meds, I found it very hard to find the motivation to do anything. Getting out of bed was a real challenge, and I felt like everyone was suffering because I existed. The worst part was that I didn’t know why I felt this way. And nothing would make me feel better, not even my best friend who always made me laugh. And then those “certain thoughts” started circling through my head. I didn’t want to kill myself because I felt so miserable, but because I didn’t want the people around me to feel miserable. I wanted to do it for them, not myself. My friends and family have always mattered more to me than my welfare. It was only after someone I knew committed suicide that I realized how hurt everyone would be without me. When I went to her funeral, I saw the pain and suffering that was clearly evident in her family’s eyes. The one thing I find worse than joking about wanting to commit suicide is berating those who have. To me it’s unforgivable for those who knew these people to have the audacity to hate them for doing it. To explain what I mean, I wish to tell you a story. A summer ago I was in Great Falls and went to a salon to get my hair cut and highlighted. The person who worked on me and another stylist were talking about a brother or cousin who committed suicide. “He was nothing more than a selfish jerk,” one of the stylists said. “To be honest, I’m glad he’s gone. He was always whining and complaining about everything! And the fact that he was selfish enough to go and kill himself like that was stupid. If he was going to always act like that, I’m glad he’s gone!” I dug my fingernails into my arm to keep from blowing up at the stylist. They had no idea what he might have been going through. They had no idea if he was doing it for another reason, maybe even for the same reason I had when I was considering it. They had no idea if he did it for them, the very same people who were now bashing him in the grave. And my temper really became hard to handle when they said that it was a good thing he was dead! I wanted to stand up and leave right then and there, tell the stylists to get that stupid dye out of my hair and tell them exactly what I thought about what she said. But I decided to remain civil and keep my mouth shut. I forgot I had the right to leave because of what she said. I forgot that I had my own voice I could have wielded in defense of this gentleman. But I didn’t, and to this day, I hate the highlights in my hair because whenever I look at them, they remind me of my pacifism and what I didn’t do that I should have done. You can imagine that in a small town like the one I’m in, jokes about suicide are common. If people had even the slightest idea of what they were saying, I feel like they wouldn’t joke like that, so I’m trying to get people to understand what they’re really saying before they say it. I know ideas like mine aren’t popular, but I don’t care. So what’s the point of saying all of this? It’s simply this, if you see someone joking about suicide, please let them know what they’re really saying. If someone says they’d rather kill themselves than spend time with someone, just ask them, “so you’re saying that you’d rather end your life forever and miss all of the great opportunities that are ahead of you, than spend a few minutes with someone who isn’t even going to matter 10 years down the road?” To those who joke about suicide, please stop and think for a minute. Think about what you’re implying. Ask yourself “do I really mean that?” and if you do, then for heaven’s sake, tell someone that you’re having those thoughts! But if you don’t, then stop before you continue your sentence. Suicide is not a laughing matter. It’s a serious tragedy that affects people all over the world, both those who have committed suicide, and those who knew these people. I’ve seen loved ones hurt by these tragedies, and it’s heartbreaking   more
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I think society barely takes suicide seriously enough.

In today’s world of economic difficulty, high unemployment rates and overseas conflict, civilians and service members deal with a lot of stresses on a daily basis. Unfortunately for some, those stresses become too much to handle and they think the o... nly way to relieve the stress is by harming themselves. Other people feel the threat of harming themselves is the only way they can get help. Either way, a threat of bodily harm by an individual should never be taken lightly. "That kind of threat should be taken very seriously," said Sgt. Miguel Sierra, Fort Belvoir Community Hospital Adult outpatient behavioral health clinic noncommissioned officer-in-charge. "Someone who is feeling suicidal is feeling hopeless and that there is no way out. Those feelings don’t manifest overnight. It can come from an individual having untreated depression and dealing with way too many problems." Even if a person is joking about taking their own life, the threat should never be brushed off because you never know how far a person will go to get attention, Sierra said. He also said, even though you can tell by a person’s body language and personal history that they are not serious about harming themselves, the threat of it should cause you to report the incident to a higher authority. "Even if they are not being suicidal, they are still coping with their problems in a maladaptive manner," Sierra said. "You should always err on the side of caution." Law enforcement officials don’t take threats of suicide lightly, either. Fort Belvoir Law Enforcement Police Chief, Tim Wolfe said suicide threats should always be taken seriously because the person making the threat is usually not in a rational state of mind. "When you make those statements you’re usually asking for help, or you are dead set on trying to do it," Wolfe said. "I’ve seen a lot of people make the threats. Some people simply are reaching for help and don’t know how to go about it. Others are set on it and no amount of talking in the world is going to fix that." Talking to a person who may be considering harming themselves can potentially help that person, even if they have already decided to take that course of action. Signs that a person may be suicidal are withdrawal, isolation and giving away personal possessions. A sudden change in spirit usually causes people to think that person has a renewed spirit and is well mentally. However, that isn’t always the case. "If a person is always dirty or angry, and all of a sudden they are cleaned up and appear happy, it could be because they made a decision that they are not going to deal with their problems anymore," Sierra said. "They are thinking ‘I want to go out in a good way,’ and they do feel better because they found a solution to their problems." Not assuming that person is feeling better can go a long way. "That person may say to you ‘I decided to clean myself up because you never know what might happen tomorrow,’" said Sierra. "Your response should be ‘Well, what do you mean you don’t know what might happen tomorrow? Let’s talk about that.’" Belvoir Law Enforcement will take anyone who makes a suicidal threat into protective custody so they don’t harm themselves or anyone in the community. They will take them to FBCH’s psychiatric ward so they can receive any help they may need. "It’s not an apprehension or an arrest," Wolfe said of the protective custody measure. "It doesn’t mean they are crazy, it just means they need some mental health attention. The reason we take them into custody is so they don’t hurt themselves or somebody else in the interim." The Behavioral Health clinic hosts suicide prevention classes once a month at FBCH and anywhere on post at the request of a unit. Every clinic asks each patient they see daily if they are feeling depressed. If a patient shows any concerns or discloses they are feeling suicidal, that information is disclosed to Behavioral Health and the patient is not allowed to leave the clinic. Recognition that a friend or unit member may be feeling depressed will help with prevention since unit members see one another on a daily basis. "We see a person once every four or five months," Sierra said. "Unit members see one another everyday. They see their unit member at work every day looking depressed or giving signs. Those things should be acted on immediately.   more
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I think society greatly does not take suicide seriously enough.

Suicide should be taken very seriously and should no longer be a topic shunned by our society. It should be openly discussed, and information on suicide should be as accessible to everyone as water. Those contemplating suicide may not be able to see...  what they are doing and the other solutions that are out there. If someone is showing many signs of wanting to end their life, then they should be directed towards other options such as counseling, therapy, or perhaps even medication. If the individual knows his/her options and still chooses suicide, since it is their life, then it should be their choice. To many, suicide may seem like the only answer, although they may know what kind of an impact it will leave behind them, if they've had these feelings for a long period of time, there might be no stopping them. Suicide has to be detected early, and treated early   more
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I think society takes suicide seriously enough.

Suicide occurs almost twice as often as murder. Each year, about 36,000 people in the United States die by suicide. In the U.S.:1 Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death. Suicide is the third leading cause of death for people ages 15 to 24 and t... he second leading cause for people ages 25 to 34. Suicide rates have increased for middle-aged and older adults. One suicide death occurs for every 4 suicide attempts. Women try suicide more often, but men are 4 times more likely to die from a suicide attempt. A gun is the most common method of suicide. Many people have fleeting thoughts of death. Fleeting thoughts of death are less of a problem and are much different from actively planning to commit suicide. Your risk of committing suicide is increased if you think about death and killing yourself often, or if you have made a suicide plan. Most people who seriously consider suicide do not want to die. Rather, they see suicide as a solution to a problem and a way to end their pain. People who seriously consider suicide feel hopeless, helpless, and worthless. A person who feels hopeless believes that no one can help with a particular event or problem. A person who feels helpless is immobilized and unable to take steps to solve problems. A person who feels worthless is overwhelmed with a sense of personal failure   more
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I think society somewhat takes suicide too seriously.

Paris Jackson tried to commit suicide because she "wanted attention," it's been reported. The 15-year-old was taken to hospital in the early hours of Wednesday morning, but according to law enforcement sources, the Policedo not think she intended to...  kill herself. "She wanted to be saved," a source told TMZ. "It makes no sense if you really want to die to call a hotline, where the person on the other end will get an ambulance over to your house." Accoding to the website, Paris used a meat cleaver to cut her arm and took an overdose of Motrin, which is why it is being classified as a "suicide attempt." "Who takes Motrin to kill themselves? She called the suicide hotline because she wanted the attention and wanted to make sure EMTs got there in time," the source added, while another said: "She's into the drama." Paris, the daughter of late singer Michael Jackson, is believed to have been conscious when the paramedics arrived at the family home in Calabasas, California, and co-operated with them. Yesterday, Paris’s mother Debbie Rowe confirmed the sad news, saying that her daughter “had a lot going on”. A lawyer for Paris’s grand­mother Katherine Jackson last night said the teenager was “physically fine." "She’s suffered with the loss of her father. But we don’t know what she was exposed to that precipitated this," Perry Sanders added. “Being a sensitive 15-year-old is difficult no matter who you are. It is especially difficult when you lose the person closest to you." It's since been reported that the reasoning behind Paris's actions could have been to do with boy trouble, and the fact that she wasn't allowed to go to a Marilyn Manson concert in Los Angeles tonight   more
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I think society generally takes suicide too seriously.

Anna Valerious- Suicide Threats and the Narcissist I received a comment on this post in the last 24 hours that actually provoked me to write. And I wrote with enough substance that I decided to put it on the front page so that all may read it. H... ere is the comment: I agree with a lot of what is said on here. Regarding the comments about being scared of death meaning the person won't commit suicide... I just want to share that one of my family members may have been narcissistic, and threatened suicide often as a manipulation tactic. We thought that she would not do it but she did. Being scared of death might be a narcissistic trait, and they might threaten suicide as a manipulation, but I'm just sharing that that doesn't mean a person won't do it. I think it might be helpful to remember that narcissism is a disorder... So while it is angering keep some perspective about the person still being a person you don't want to die from suicide. I will comment on the final point first: perspective is exactly what I present on this blog. The perspective is this: narcissists are their own creation. Their "disorder" isn't something that just accidentally happened without their contribution. They create their own "disorder" and then they inflict it on everyone around them. When narcissists threaten suicide this perspective still applies. It is well established that most people who serially threaten suicide aren't very serious about actually doing it. The serious ones will almost always do it without giving even a hint of their intentions. Or they will do just that: hint without an overt threat being made. Many times those hints aren't recognized by others for what they were until it is too late. While suicide is always a tragic end to any life we shouldn't pretend that we can actually stop someone who is serious about doing it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to intervene, it simply means we shouldn't blame ourselves if they successfully complete the act. I don't know of any caring family member, friend or even co-worker who wouldn't try to stop someone who has threatened to kill themselves. People will go to great lengths to help an apparently suicidal person. This is the very reason that narcissists love to use this threat to get attention whenever they want it. If there was an ongoing problem of people ignoring suicide threats then do you think that narcissists would use those threats to get attention? Obviously answer is no. If a narcissist is frequently threatening suicide then you have all the proof you need that the threats are garnering them much attention. If they move on from threats to actually doing it then the blame rests squarely on them. If the suicidal person doesn't accept the help when they make threats to kill themselves then I think it highly irresponsible to blame the people around them for not doing enough to stop them. I'm not saying that this commenter is blaming people for this, but it can be inferred that they think the way this topic has been discussed on this post would lead people to not do enough to stop the suicidal person. I'm just pointing out what I think is obvious...The truly suicidal person will carry through no matter what people may do to try to stop them. Additionally, individuals who frequently make these threats without any real attempts should also accept the blame when people stop believing them. The problem presented in the post (and the comments) isn't that people don't or won't do enough to help suicidal individuals. The problem is how there are crassly manipulative people who will use suicidal threats to get what they want. In the end, the narcissist is always after all the attention in the room. All I was trying to get across is that there is a distinct possibility that all those suicidal threats are actually being used to get compliant behavior from us. Recognition of that possibility isn't going to stop people from trying to help someone who threatens suicide with regularity. I think that people deserve to know they are being manipulated when these threats are ongoing. Being aware of this (not slight) possibility will allow people to do their own assessments of what is happening and decide when they will stop letting these threats rule their own lives. That the narcissistic person in this commenter's life seems to have defied this logic above doesn't negate what I've said. There are exceptions to every rule. There is also a possibility that the suicide wasn't supposed to work. It is well known that there are people who attempt suicide but the method and timing often reveal that the person was hoping someone would intervene. It is usually called a "cry for help" and not seen as a total commitment to offing themselves. These individuals do get help. Whether they will avail themselves of it is another matter. Suicide is recognized by the psych community as very often being a hostile act toward others. It can be used to stick a shiv between the ribs of family and friends that can never be removed. That is a lot of power to wield. To pretend that suicidal people don't factor that in is to be stupidly naive. So putting more potential blame on those who've had a family member or friend kill themselves is cruelty. They already shoulder far too much blame. Blame that was foisted on them by the act of suicide itself. Here's another thought for all to chew on: suicide is homicidal behavior inflicted upon oneself. (I'm sure I've pointed that out before somewhere on this blog.) Homicidal behavior is just a fancy phrase for murder. Murder is in the heart of the suicidal person. That murderous intent has all too often spilled over into murdering other humans for us to safely ignore this reality. This is not something people are willing to point out very often, but if you have someone in your life who is suicidal, you also are dealing with a person who could very possibly justify killing others. It must be said. To say it another way, a suicidal person is not just a danger to themselves; they may easily also be a danger to those around them. People deserve to know that fact and adjust their lives accordingly. Frankly, I would advise anyone to try to help an openly suicidal person, but when it becomes apparent that help is not being accepted then it is best to be on guard. Put some distance between yourself and that person. But that is my opinion. If you choose to risk continued close association that is your choice. No one is going to stop you. No one here wants anyone to commit suicide. Not even the narcissist. Not even when they make us angry. What I have provided here is plenty of perspective. It is perspective that factors in multiple realities...Not just one. People are smart enough to figure this out without being talked down to. The problem out there isn't that people are dehumanizing narcissists and hoping they will follow through on their death threats against their own person. The ongoing problem is that narcissists dehumanize us. And then abuse us accordingly. To point this and other realities out about narcissists doesn't dehumanize them. It exposes them. Narcissists are, without exception, predatory. I have expended much effort to help people stop being prey. Our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness isn't suspended by hungry narcissists even when they act like they want to kill themselves. Please read all the above with the realization the the blog author here fully understands that people who aren't narcissists may threaten suicide. They may actually carry it out. I'm not saying all people who threaten suicide are narcissists. Please don't construe anything I've said to be implicating that. But if you know you're dealing with a narcissist then all the above must be considered. Also, I want to add that the person whose comment I responded to in this post deserves to know this all applies to her/him too. I hope this person isn't blaming themselves for the suicide of their family member. That is a heavy burden to carry. Please don't carry it. I want to make sure that no one carries that burden unnecessarily. That is what this response is about   more
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I think society largely takes suicide too seriously.

Kim Saeed- When a victim of Narcissistic abuse gathers enough strength to leave the relationship, often the last resort for the Narcissist is to threaten to commit suicide after realizing hoovering and crying won’t work. Once he recognizes his tar... get isn’t falling for the old tricks, he has to ‘up the ante’ in order to capture the control he feels is slipping through his fingers like sand. Narcissists rarely commit suicide. When a Narcissist threatens to do this, it’s generally as a means of manipulation. If your partner keeps bringing it up, you may want to look into whether they have Borderline Personality Disorder, which is very similar to NPD, but with its own specific set of behaviors. The two disorders are often confused with one another because they belong in the same cluster and share certain traits. Additionally, a person can have both disorders simultaneously. Those with Borderline Personality Disorder often have a history of violent and unpredictable mood swings, and typically have a history of harming themselves, such as cutting, drug abuse, or even overspending. These behaviors help relieve the internal pain the disordered person feels, but it’s only momentary. Borderline Personality Disorder has the highest rate of suicide than any other disorder. According to studies, about 70 percent of those diagnosed with BPD have attempted suicide. Eight to 10 percent of those diagnosed will complete suicide, a rate 50 times higher than that of the general population. While Narcissists typically don’t harm themselves in this way, the risk of their following through apparently depends on the “type” of Narcissism they have. There is simply no way of knowing for sure if a person will actually act on these threats. Further, even people who have no history of a personality disorder will sometimes commit suicide during bouts of severe depression, grief, and/or hopelessness, such as after the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. If your disordered partner never threatened suicide until the end (after all the other tricks failed), it’s likely they have NPD, and are using it as a threat. If your partner has always threatened suicide, you’ll want to look into the possibility of BPD. Regardless of which disorder they have, making this type of threat is a form of manipulation and control. While no one wants to feel responsible for the self-inflicted death of another person, it’s important to understand that ultimately, it’s a choice the other person makes. If you have concerns that your partner may have BPD, the best you can do is try to help them seek treatment. However, I wouldn’t advise staying in the relationship unless they do seek treatment and go on medications to control their impulsive behaviors. Even then, there is the risk of their stopping treatment and meds, so to stay in the relationship is a gamble, especially if children are involved   more
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I think society greatly takes suicide too seriously.

In abusive relationships, when the victim is beginning to see and mentions that something is isn’t working for them, the stakes of the game are often raised dramatically. The threats of the abuser may increase in severity. One of the greatest threat... s is that of taking ones own life. The suicide Card. The suicide card is effective in abusive relationships because the victim cares so much about the abuser that they do not like the thought of them ending their own life. The abuser is so good at manipulating the victim that they are able to engineer the situation by which the victim believes that their actions WOULD be the cause of the death of the abuser. While obviously not the case, as the abuser would be taking their own life, the thoughts of this action are so bad that the victim is not able to think logically and consider what is really going on. This makes sense, given that logical thought and emotional responses cannot exist at the same time, with emotional responses taking precedence over logic   more
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I think society takes suicide WAY too seriously.

Michelle Dean- At Salon, the critic Emma Garman has a lengthy consideration of the role of suicide in comedy, pegged to Amy Schumer’s admission that one thing the execs at Comedy Central would not let her do is a sketch about a man who commits suici... de and then has to go to work on Monday. “And everyone knew, but he didn’t get his work done and he is like, ‘Well, I didn’t think I was going to be here.’ And we wanted it to be like he was a hipster — like, what would a failed suicide be as a hipster? And I think they were like, ‘that’s too sensitive’ or ‘too personal,’” Schumer said, as she further described the sketch. Which makes it sound like the executives were not so much enforcing a taboo, as Garman suggests, as very kindly preventing Amy from making a sketch full of rather unfunny, unoriginal, and poorly executed “jokes.” You can see why the question of taboo arises here, of course. We’ve been having a lot of public discussion, of late, about what people are “allowed” to joke about in comedy. Generally the controversial subject is rape, but the overall argument is the same no matter what it is: audiences say, “that’s offensive,” and comedians say, “but that’s our job!” The idea, of course, being that taboo-breaking is definitionally funny. It’s certainly true that there is a considerable portion of the population who, upon declaring some topic “offensive,” believe it to be off-limits for joke purposes. Which isn’t a terribly convincing argument because in the process of protecting everyone’s sensitive ears from hearing offensive things, said population manages to stifle discussion on said, usually very important (!), topic. There’s a very thin line between silence and shame, after all; at a certain point you begin to imply that if someone’s trauma disturbs other people, well, they’d best suck it up and not be a bother, then. But the comedians don’t quite have it right either, for the very reason they often cite: a lot of the issue here is context. In the Salon piece, Garman says that what people take offense to is suicide being discussed in a less-than-serious context. She cites as evidence the VICE photo spread that caused all the hullabaloo a couple of months back, which depicted the suicides of famous female artists. But she fails to mention the whole context. There were many people who don’t think of fashion as always being frivolous at all who thought the spread was in massively poor judgment. For a lot of people, with that VICE spread, the flippancy was detected in the quality of the photographs, not their mere existence. There was something so bored and indifferent about them, and not in a way that provoked any intelligent debate. In other words: it’s about execution in context. Comedy is not an easy art to practice, partly because there are no hard and fast rules about how to tell a joke successfully. Timing, audience, phrasing, buildup, punchline — all are involved in a careful calibration that can’t be made to order. But here’s the thing: a difficult subject is rather like hot pepper. In less than cautious hands the thing either turns out bland or beyond five-alarm inedible. And most hands are less than cautious. So it’s not that suicide is viewed as beyond comedy. It’s that a comedian who legitimately thinks the best joke about returning to work after a suicide is of the “hehe, I didn’t do my work” variety is probably not really zeroing in on what’s funny about the situation. I’m no comedian, of course, and can’t tell you what a better joke would be. I can only say, in this context, well: try something else. If you’re going to make suicide funny, well: make it funny. It shouldn’t take a genius to see that’s the only real rule of the game   more
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Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-12-08T10:41:29.7311966-06:00
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Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-12-08T10:44:00.8969212-06:00
I do feel that joking about suicide is ok, same with events like the holocaust and 9/11. Why? Humor is a way humans cope with things like stress and bad events. Its natural.
Eli01 says2014-12-08T10:48:01.4884414-06:00
How long were you working on this peter?
PetersSmith says2014-12-08T10:55:54.7814160-06:00
I think society somewhat doesn't take suicide seriously enough.* Can't believe I didn't catch that.

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