Does the pro-marijuana campaign often use overgeneralizations and misconceptions?

Posted by: Mathgeekjoe

  • Yes

  • No

64% 7 votes
36% 4 votes
  • I'm pro-legalization, however most campaigners for any cause tend to exaggerate the numbers and statistics in their favour.

  • Marijuana isn't the devil's flower, nor is it a "completely harmless herb that you can smoke all you want." Using it in moderation isn't that bad, but of course it isn't harmless.

  • No doubt... Then again, the anti side has been insane. Look at you reefer madness.

    Posted by: TBR
  • They all exaggerate here and there. Propaganda everywhere. Marijuana isn't a harmless drug. No drug is harmless. It might be one of the more safer drugs compared to, what, cocaine, but that doesn't mean it's 100% safe. At the moment, though, I do support the legalization of medical marijuana, although I am still not sure about recreational marijuana.

  • There is a plenty of propaganda on both sides. Everyone's just pursuing self-interests.

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Renegader says2015-04-20T18:27:26.4807279-05:00
The anti-marijuana campaign uses propaganda and fear tactics to preserve big tobacco profits.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:10:37.8471422-05:00
Doesn't change the fact that the pro-marijuana campaign has a lot of overgeneralizations and misconceptions.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:13:09.4242452-05:00
So does the anti-marijuana campaign. It's better to be open minded about marijuana instead of saying it's either the devil's flower or it's a harmless herb that can be smoked all you want.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:16:01.5448597-05:00
I prefer to look at recent research rather than outdated propaganda from each side. In the end, you can only rely on recent research to figure out its effects.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:16:31.6080068-05:00
I am anti-recreational marijuana because science shows it is harmful.
TBR says2015-04-20T19:18:49.8092927-05:00
Every try it Mathgeekjoe?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:20:12.6270994-05:00
Guessing you meant ever instead of every. I have never tried marijuana, I don't ever plan to. And recent research suggest that is a good thing.
Varrack says2015-04-20T19:22:01.5657219-05:00
From the research I've done, it is harmful and has both long-term and short-term health effects. I would never use it, unless I had a seizure and needed it for medication or something.
TBR says2015-04-20T19:22:28.6599883-05:00
Its just not that big a deal one-way-or-another. Its not going to kill you, and its not a magic elixir, its just a thing.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:24:29.7354717-05:00
It's far safer than alcohol....
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:24:32.3874887-05:00
TBR, my brain is still developing, marijuana negatives are most severe for developing brains, evidence show that the memory damage can sometimes be permanent for people with developing brains.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:25:21.2938022-05:00
It's true that using marijuana too much at an early age hurts brain development, i'll credit you on that.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:25:33.3058792-05:00
Triangle, alcohol doesn't have second hand and third hand smoke.
TBR says2015-04-20T19:27:03.1624552-05:00
I think the best time for drug experimentation is late twenties. There are better drugs than marijuana, and if you decide to try them sometime, I hope you enjoy them without complication.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:27:39.1050856-05:00
Who said you have to smoke marijuana? Second hand smoke isn't a big deal if you don't use it around people.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:27:43.8668727-05:00
Why would anybody take drugs for enjoyment, that is just crazy.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:28:03.8685857-05:00
Smoking is probably the most risky way though, vaping is a better alternative.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:28:17.4657315-05:00
"Second hand smoke isn't a big deal if you don't use it around people." I also mentioned third hand smoke.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:29:08.3844579-05:00
What on Earth? How do people breathe in second hand smoke and breathe out third hand?
TBR says2015-04-20T19:29:35.0151234-05:00
"Why would anybody take drugs for enjoyment" because they can be crazy fun. They aren't called recreational drugs for nothing.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:29:43.8434852-05:00
Do you know what third hand smoke is?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:36:38.6345441-05:00
Well anyways, third hand smoke is basically smoke that gets stucked in cloths, carpets, hair, etc. Research into smoke has shown it to cause damage similar to second hand smoke.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:39:20.4471419-05:00
Well marijuana doesn't have to be smoked though.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:40:02.9632324-05:00
Well does the pro-marijuana campaign ban smoking it?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:43:45.0477300-05:00
" because they can be crazy fun. They aren't called recreational drugs for nothing." I don't like taking in something to mess with my brain for enjoyment. It sounds like the stupidest way to have fun. I much rather play video games, do math problems, look up science stuff, or use my imagination, all are much better for my brain than drugs.
TBR says2015-04-20T19:45:14.5142510-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - You have to balance risk with pleasure. When my son was born, we got a new car with like 26 airbags. The latest carseat cost cost $500.00 we ordered it because no stores were carrying it. So, I will go to great lengths to keep my son save. However, I still take him out on unnecessary car rids just for fun. I have even driven... Very fast with him in the car. Where the balance is set can be difficult. Don't allow fear to remove all potentially fun and exciting experiences. That is all.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:46:27.3986972-05:00
Drugs mess with my brain, my brain is something I don't like things messing with.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:46:53.5635683-05:00
And it is not fear, it is logic, drugs are bad.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:49:39.7080318-05:00
If Steve Jobs never did LSD, the company Apple may not be as successful and computers wouldn't be as sophisticated as they are today.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:50:08.8735814-05:00
Ayahuasca also can heal someone from the emotional damage of rape.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:52:23.3464303-05:00
"If Steve Jobs never did LSD, the company Apple may not be as successful and computers wouldn't be as sophisticated as they are today." It is just likely possible that his use of LSD may have prevented a more successful apple. It is a bad idea to do "what if" with the past, because there are so many butterfly effects that you may not realize are there.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:53:13.5777219-05:00
He and others claimed that LSD actually benefited them and Jobs encouraged people to use LSD a couple times.
triangle.128k says2015-04-20T19:53:52.8081248-05:00
And like I said about ayahuasca, that can heal people from the emotional damage of things like rape. Native Americans have always been using it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:54:32.6021461-05:00
People often claimed tobacco calms them down. Yet research has shown that tobacco cause people to in general be less calm. Marijuana can easily have the same effect.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T19:54:42.5874022-05:00
I mean LSD.
TBR says2015-04-20T19:58:16.0636609-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - and others. Its a little difficult to explain how these experiences become critical to you. I am not telling you or anyone else to run out and get drugs, only that when someone tells you LSD opened their minds to new experiences they never thought possible, they are not lying. The "experiment" can become a critical part of who you are. Few drug users every have real issues. Those who do, well, that is terrible and sad.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-20T20:02:20.0123358-05:00
It causes a chemical imbalance in the brain which is what causes its effects. I prefer my brain not to be under the influence of a drug.
Renegader says2015-04-20T21:24:28.5420176-05:00
Man, each of us only live a short period of time. In the end, we most regret the experiences we never tried. No one is telling you to become a drug addict, only to have an open mind while you are still young.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T06:38:12.9903542-05:00
"Man, each of us only live a short period of time." More of a reason not to waste time with things that mess with the brain.
Mister_Man says2015-04-21T13:59:30.8582559-05:00
"Why would anybody take drugs for enjoyment, that is just crazy." This is the funniest joke I've heard all day.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T14:19:38.5280381-05:00
It is enjoyment that comes from your brain getting messed with. If you think it is a good idea to mess up your brain just to get high, then I think you are crazy.
TBR says2015-04-21T14:25:10.4859552-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - Its not like you will loose the ability to do math if you spend a night on MDMA. Look, you like guns. Toying with guns has some level of personal risk. I am not attempting to make this a "gun" discussion, so lets not get into the numbers, the point is we encounter risk everyday. We accept some additional level of risk for enjoyment.
Mister_Man says2015-04-21T14:31:26.6496030-05:00
My brain isn't messed up. I don't go smoke crack and meth every day, I do occasional psychedelics/stimulants. Obviously, just like drinking or smoking or eating poorly, it's not "good" for you, but it's not really that bad for you either. It's more neutral as long as you don't take too much.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T14:33:39.6808151-05:00
For something to make you high, it is messing with the chemistry in the brain.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T14:35:04.7118023-05:00
And even if there was a drug that was completely harmless, I still wouldn't take it. I don't like some foreign(as in it came from out side of the body) substance messing up how my brain works for a second just so I get enjoyment.
TBR says2015-04-21T14:36:43.0511245-05:00
@Mister_Man - One of the tricky parts of these discussions is about casual use. When someone wants to make a drug related point, looking at meth-heads is just.... Wrong. Mathgeekjoe is not going to become a "faces of meth" from doing some psilocybin mushroom some night with his friends. As "messed-up" as he can imagine his brain being that night, the next day he can go back to calculus class without trouble, only with some new and unique experiences.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T14:41:11.7942206-05:00
"only with some new and unique experiences." That came from my brain getting invaded by a foreign substance and messing my brain up for a limited amount of time.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T14:41:38.0526941-05:00
I prefer things to not mess with my brain, not even temporarily.
TBR says2015-04-21T15:00:00.9965841-05:00
Would it make you feel better if I told you know a number of neurobiologists who smoke pot?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:00:47.7072511-05:00
If every neurobiologist jumped off a bridge, would I do it?
TBR says2015-04-21T15:04:10.1809490-05:00
Good enough Mathgeek.... Good enough.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:06:34.3726733-05:00
What is good enough?
TBR says2015-04-21T15:15:42.9033895-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - I am not trying to change your mind... Not at this point of your life. The odds are it will be a very good looking girl, or close friend at sometime in the future. You will experience the same path almost all before you have. The takeaway should be only this. 1) Not all instances of drug use are drug abuse. 2) Not all drug use leads to disaster. 3) You will likely say about the same thing to others in 10 or so years. Through HS I did no drugs. I drank, but NO DRUGS. First year in college, I was 17 - sitting in a girls dorm room. She was about to smoke some pot, asked me if I would like some. It was not peer-pressure, it was not lust, it was.... Different. This story repeats itself with other drug instances, and the outcome is the same for each. Glad I did them.
Renegader says2015-04-21T15:17:41.7293512-05:00
Wisdom bomb dropped
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:28:16.7782220-05:00
"1) Not all instances of drug use are drug abuse. 2) Not all drug use leads to disaster. 3) You will likely say about the same thing to others in 10 or so years." Did you miss the part where I said Quote--And even if there was a drug that was completely harmless, I still wouldn't take it.--end quote.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:30:33.6757914-05:00
"First year in college, I was 17 - sitting in a girls dorm room. She was about to smoke some pot, asked me if I would like some. It was not peer-pressure, it was not lust, it was.... Different." And the vague word choice award goes to TBR for the use of the word 'Different'.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:31:54.8052196-05:00
I believe what you described is considered doing something because someone else is doing it. It also is know as "trying to fit in" "trying to look normal" etc.
TBR says2015-04-21T15:39:01.0155517-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe - No, I was not trying to fit in, not trying to get the girl in bed, none of that. I was just in the right "space" to try something new. That is how it is "different".
Mister_Man says2015-04-21T15:40:18.7352499-05:00
Some drugs change your mind. It changes your perspective of the world around you for that time period. Since when is "change" bad?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:42:56.8734636-05:00
Because it is changing the way my brain works which is something I value not getting messed with. If I want to change my perspective I could just change topics then come back, make up a hypothetical situation to see it from a different angle. I don't need something messing with my brain to get a different point of view.
Renegader says2015-04-21T15:48:03.6233317-05:00
Simply "changing topics" is not even on the same order of magnitude. It is natural human tendency to be stuck in ones own nature. Some freedom from this every now and then is ideal.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:49:22.0545433-05:00
Why could you have said that instead of different? You still won the vague word choice award. Anyways, if I am against something, I don't merely try it because I am "in the right "space" to try something new. ".
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-21T15:51:46.3274437-05:00
"Some freedom from this every now and then is ideal." I personally don't consider attacking the way my brains works as freedom.
Diqiucun_Cunmin says2015-04-22T04:59:46.8654529-05:00
I'd contend that using drugs to get high is immoral, no matter whether it harms your body.

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