Does this site have too much internal politics?

Posted by: TheMarquis

It is obvious that this site was made for tackling big issues, but it seems to have become people squabbling about one another in polls and forums.

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briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:47:55.3427616-05:00
Yeah, like mathgeekjoe, he can't even have a rational discussion without insulting me, assuming things about me for no logical reason. Instead of arguing based on the facts, he resorts to blaming and name-calling, and he isn't the only one either. And I hope he sees this, because he knows it's true.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T17:50:38.2940315-05:00
@BrianTheLiberal: I hope you fully understand what you just did. You checked yes, then went on to add onto the problem immediately after. You speak in antagonistic language which is why I have seen a lot of people insulting you.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T17:51:54.3373818-05:00
Briantheliberal: And you call other people hypocrites...
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T17:59:19.3166035-05:00
PetersSmith, I addressed a personal experience I had regarding this particular issue. If you think that makes me a hypocrite that's your problem, not mine. But the fact that you even implied that I was makes you a hypocrite yourself, because you have been guilty of this very issue yourself.
Varrack says2015-04-11T17:59:47.8049341-05:00
Brian, nearly every one of your comments is antagonistic.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:01:45.3248001-05:00
Varrack, your point is?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:06:56.9339459-05:00
All of you people can be antagonistic towards me, and other users, like you literally just did, but have a problem when I do it? And you call me a hypocrite? Okay. Point is, get over it. I am not a soft arguer. I like to remain strict, speak the truth and get my point across the way I see fit. I have that right, and as long as I am not directly disrespecting anyone, I have done nothing wrong. Deal with it.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:17:27.0942888-05:00
@Brian: You just pointed out the problem you have. You don't debate; you argue, like a little kid who didn't get more juice boxes than the rest of the class. You don't usually have any logic. You just like the conflict and cannot understand anybody retaliating against you. Thanks for coming on here and making this all about people not like poor little Brian, because I thought this could be a very good conversation about things like "Heilbait", and things like that. Instead you had to TURN THIS into more internal politics and mud slinging.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:22:18.2158902-05:00
I wonder what happens when heil sees heilbait, does it cause some type of uncontrollable urge to make an account and comment?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:23:37.2626086-05:00
Oh hey look someone is being an antagonist and squabbling about someone else in the poll HE created to point out that exact issue. By the way, definition of Debate - to -argue- about (a subject), especially in a formal manner. And I find it funny you claim I don't use logic because I used logic to refute you and have discussions with you more than once, so you're just throwing out baseless attacks.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:24:23.8558740-05:00
@MathGeekJoe: I really feel like we have a site that allows him to pop up. I like Heil in a sense, and would love to debate him, but it's possible that as a community we just need to accept the ancient rule of not feeding the troll.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:25:38.2869126-05:00
What does heil feed off more, people defending him or people arguing with him. He seems to pop up when both happen.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:27:49.8892879-05:00
@Brian: You use copied logic that you don't even fully understand. You don't think. You repeat rhetoric and call people stupid when they aren't the same type of brainwashed that you are. I have been very patient in telling you to stop being rude to people who have done nothing but disagree with you, but that got to be really tiring. You also don't seem to fully understand the term "internal politics." You also admit that you're a hypocrite if you're calling me one. The other big difference is that no, I am not being antagonistic. I am being tired of your bull. You came onto here and immediately called somebody out as being rude, when you are rude to everybody and so far I am the only one who I have seen try not to be rude back. You cannot possibly be dense enough to think I was saying that was what this was for.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:28:11.9658541-05:00
In general, ‘Argument’ means a line of reasoning or evidence in support of an issue or opinion. It has a more informal usage, as well as it can imply a personal dispute that has a more negative meaning to it. ‘Debate’ is more often used as a formal word that implies a larger or public-style discussion with people supporting both sides of the issue and rules or specific guidelines governing the proceedings. Read more: Difference between Argument and Debate | Difference Between | Difference between Argument vs Debate
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:28:51.9848805-05:00
Examples of everything you just said? I'll wait.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:30:27.1917261-05:00
@Brian: And you haven't really "refuted me" at any point in time. You have repeated things in different wording over and over and then claimed to have meant something almost totally opposite of that. You have insulted people who had the gall to disagree with you, including entire ideologies of people who were trying to be civil at the time. You are just so entitled, and yes, you're entitled, black guys can be told to check their privilege too, that you can't even catch your own faults.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-11T18:30:33.2300810-05:00
*grabs popcorn while reading comments
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:31:32.0052402-05:00
What type of popcorn?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:32:22.9538604-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, so when are you going to use reasoning or evidence instead of logical fallacy, condescending rhetoric and circular logic in your arguments? Remember this? - (look at the comments) This is a prime example of everything I mentioned above about you. As well as this travesty you left on my most recent poll (comments below, starting with the very first one you addressed to me).
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:32:45.0854642-05:00
@Brian: The first time we spoke was on that poll on whether or not white males were the most discriminated group. I said it was hard to gauge first hand because you cannot be both genders of all races to know first hand, and that it was an issue of perspective. You started calling every conservative on there stupid.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:33:29.5194038-05:00
Prove it. I want evidence indicating I called all conservatives stupid on that poll.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-11T18:34:40.8826341-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Popcorn-flavoured popcorn
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:35:37.9704983-05:00
"Come on man, there are too many conservatives always going on and on about "freedom" until it's something they don't agree with, like abortion, birth control, gay marriage, but I guess freedom to discriminate is okay, right?"
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:37:31.0375982-05:00
"Mathgeekjoe, so when are you going to use reasoning or evidence instead of logical fallacy, condescending rhetoric and circular logic in your arguments?" If you haven't notice, I am trying to avoid a BS battle right now. I am much more interested in a popcorn flavored pop corn.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:40:43.9694253-05:00
The reply I made in "http://www.Debate.Org/polls/was-jesus-christ-a-liberal-or-conservative" was because I knew there was going to be a BS battle if I replied to "especially the conservative Christians who voted for the second option, to explain their position on the subject."
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:40:58.8047400-05:00
Where in that statement did I call conservatives stupid again? Save it Mathgeekjoe, all of this "avoiding" you're doing is due to the fact that you have nothing relevant to say, no real arguments against me. I have proven already that you insult me, disrespect me, assume things about me, and can't even argue efficiently to defend your side on any issue.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:42:56.6891510-05:00
TheMarquis, I am still waiting on that evidence...
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:44:00.1419784-05:00
@Brian: While I was looking for the poll, something occurred to me. I don't need to prove it. Pretty much everybody here whose ideology is different from your own will agree with me that you are unbearably rude to them. You talk down to them, morally and intellectually. You insult them.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:45:09.5387181-05:00
"Mathgeekjoe, when the hell have I ever been intolerant of conservative opinions? Apparently no one can disagree with you or argue against you without you falsely accusing them of bigotry. You are the real bigot here. You are intolerant towards liberal beliefs and opinions, gays and non-Christians, and the difference between you and me is that you can't even argue against any opposing viewpoints. Now again, get off my poll until you have something relevant to say that isn't blatantly hypocritical, asinine and ridiculous." I haven't called anybody else a bigot except maybe Heil. I would like you to count how many negative words you typically use in a comment.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:45:24.5501434-05:00
@BrianTheLiberal: I was looking for the topic but gave up because I realized that if you cannot take a moment to evaluate how you speak to others then me finding evidence won't matter. You'll see it and tell me how wrong, or immoral, or brainwashed I am.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:47:34.6159281-05:00
TheMarquis, again WHERE is the EVIDENCE? Don't make false accusations you cannot prove. I have already brought mine, now where is yours?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:49:21.6454698-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, now you are being dishonest. That was a response to this comment you made to me for NO reason on my poll. There evidence is literally RIGHT THERE. You said and I quote - "I just really don't feel like dealing with you condescending attitude this time, I have defended my beliefs before but I had to deal with you going on and on being constantly condescending. I personally don't feel like having a BS contest with a bigot at the moment." - all because I asked you to SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT, you wrongfully called me a bigot for NO reason.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:49:34.6495579-05:00
Brian, the evidence doesn't seem to matter much, when it isn't provided you accuse of false accusations, when it is then provided you ignore it.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-11T18:50:08.2105743-05:00
This flamewar is just amazing
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:50:30.0827796-05:00
Brian, tell me what would have happened if I supported my belief?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:50:36.0872382-05:00
Again, PROVE IT. You aren't proving any of your claims, just making false accusations and being dishonest.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:50:39.1135800-05:00
@Brian: A) You have no evidence. You have me not being willing to dedicate that much searching for a topic to you. B) Joe's got my back here and has seen you be obnoxious way more than I have. C) I am a liberal, so I don't have any big political disagreement with you, and usually super nice to everybody, so this kind of taints a reputation. What could I possibly get from falsely accusing you of something?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:51:24.0095166-05:00
"This flamewar is just amazing" I tried to put it out with talking about heil, it didn't work.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:54:41.9916428-05:00
@Joe: You tried to put it out because you're a good guy, but I have decided to go Machiavelli on this one. To allow chaos to prevent a war does not prevent that war, but simply defers it to your disadvantage.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:55:11.7027378-05:00
"A) You have no evidence." - Oh I see, deny it when it's convenient for you when I literally just posted several links proving exactly everything I said to be true. "B) Joe's got my back here and has seen you be obnoxious way more than I have." - Your point? He is a liar too and just as obnoxious, if not more than you describe me. I also never insulted you personally on this site either, you assumed I was talking to you when I wasn't. "C) I am a liberal, so I don't have any big political disagreement with you" - Okay? So what. Being a liberal doesn't make you immune to ignorance.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:56:27.1211394-05:00
I would like to make an obvious point, lets just take a moment and count the amount of negative words each person uses in their comment.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:56:37.9378794-05:00
"You tried to put it out because you're a good guy" - He started flamewars with me more than once. Again READ the comments he sent me here:
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T18:57:54.3608097-05:00
@Brian: Thanks for proving my point. You have no evidence because you have presented nothing. And you managed to just call him dishonest and me ignorant at the same time. Quotes don't lie, but you do, to yourself. I was irritated, but now I just feel bad for you. The size of that head of yours must make it real hard to get through doors. And yes, I mean that in the metaphorical sense. Making hits at people for their appearance is below me and you are relatively attractive.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:59:42.7007262-05:00
Brian there was going to be a flame battle, as soon as you said "especially the conservative Christians who voted for the second option, to explain their position on the subject."
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:00:20.8575924-05:00
"You have no evidence because you have presented nothing" - (link 1) (link 2) - Keep denying evidence if you want to, you're only proving MY point. I have officially lost respect for you.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:01:01.5572097-05:00
@Brian: He said that because you are always being condescending, and everybody was being rude to you there. People don't tend to like you because you are condescending. You made it so the poor guy wanted to have that debate but couldn't tolerate having it with you.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:01:05.4486782-05:00
Oh yes, and keep resorting to name calling, we all know how that works out. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:01:35.7476553-05:00, you first brought up conservatives. The evidence is there.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:02:32.0398991-05:00
TheMarquis, you're making excuses for wrong and irrational behavior. Now I see the kind of person you are.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:03:05.5993598-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, I didn't insult you personally, I was making a general statement.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:04:16.2615722-05:00
"poor guy" my @ss.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:05:21.3836424-05:00
@Brian: I'll tell you the type of person I am. I am the type of person who doesn't care for a bully. You marched in here and insulted a friend. You can scream hypocrisy all day, and I know that you will, but the rest of the world knows you started it and are now playing the blame game. So now you can go pout off elsewhere.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:06:49.4413009-05:00
Your comment "Come on man, there are too many conservatives always going on and on about "freedom" until it's something they don't agree with, like abortion, birth control, gay marriage, but I guess freedom to discriminate is okay, right?" My next two comments "I believe in the freedom of a human to live. I believe that gays and lesbians don't need marriage if they are provide civil unions." "Innocent humans should have the freedom to live. Gays and lesbians should have the freedom to have civil unions. How does my beliefs go against freedom?" Brians next two comments "TBR, it is because of immaturity. Adults fighting over words, I mean really..." "Matchgeekjoe, because civil unions are NOT marriages. Separate but equal is not "freedom"
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:09:02.4491616-05:00
No, you're the type of person who is incapable of thinking for himself and allows others to delude him. You make excuses for wrong behavior, and blatantly contradict everything you claim to believe in. If he thought I was condescending, and not worth arguing with, he should have NEVER RESPONDED TO ME OR VOTED ON MY POLL IN THE FIRST PLACE. Calling me name was irrational, and unnecessary, yet you're making pathetic excuses for his wrong behavior. You're pathetic.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:09:21.8395887-05:00
Exactly what is your evidence in I find that you were the first one to use the word ignorant.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:10:08.2259993-05:00
I know that every other liberal here will be mad at me, but as a bisexual I don't care at all about the wording. Call it a civil union all day. I've fallen in love with a man before and I'd call it a marriage all day if we had a civil union and love the extra rights. You can say it is adults being childish and fighting over words and be right, but does forcing people to use the word you prefer when the rights are the same put you above them? No. It puts you in a childish argument over words.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:10:50.6798802-05:00
Again being dishonest, I was making a general statement about adults fighting over words, not attacking you personally. Get over yourself, not everything is about you.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:12:20.4835914-05:00
TheMarquis, you're bisexual but don't even know the differences between a marriage and a civil union? Again, you're allowing yourself to be deluded by other people and not thinking for yourself.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:12:22.3281177-05:00
You used the word ignorant first. Brian quote- Again, you are showing how ignorant you are on this issue by making off base statements like this.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:12:23.4944686-05:00
Briantheliberal: The same can be said to you.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:12:37.5378252-05:00
@Brian: I am pathetic or saying that somebody can call you a name if you antagonize them? And I haven't contradicted myself once. He and I disagree on political views, but that doesn't mean we have to be hateful.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:12:57.0393290-05:00
Anyways, what is popcorn flavored popcorn?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:14:14.7707553-05:00
PetersSmith, nice comeback. Where were you when Mathgeekjoe was insulting me on my poll? Nowhere. You always target me exclusively for the same bs other people are just a guilty of doing. So yes, you're being hypocritical as usual.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:15:31.7930991-05:00
Ignorant isn't a insult, it's a state of being. You are ignorant on the subject of same sex marriage. Solution? Educate yourself on the subject before arguing against it.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:16:24.1218412-05:00
Lets wait a moment and count the negative words used in each comment.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:16:35.1836550-05:00
No, you're pathetic because you justify irrational behavior for people you favor, which is biased, dishonest and hypocritical.
UtherPenguin says2015-04-11T19:16:35.8543421-05:00
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:16:52.5461211-05:00
@Brian: I know that it would let me feel a bit legally safer about being with somebody I love. I know it isn't letter for letter the same as marriage, but it is a lot more legal rights than "roommate with benefits." There is such a thing as gradual progress, and I don't much care for liberals like you screaming that it has to be all or nothing and screwing me over.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:18:51.9618246-05:00
Okay sure Marquis, keep submitting yourself to the belief's of people who think of you as less than a citizen. Again, pathetic.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:18:58.8938108-05:00
"http://images.Rapgenius.Com/3eg3pfl9er8bu69lv3aanxn5c.320x240x71.Gif" I am confused now.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:19:57.6521613-05:00
Anyway, this conversation is no longer entertaining. Good night.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:20:02.0200773-05:00
UtherPenguin, well it is a good tension reliever.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:20:42.3344638-05:00
Good night.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:22:44.6067998-05:00
Anyways, what is popcorn flavor popcorn.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:22:47.3056690-05:00
Briantheliberal: I just looked at your poll and I don't see anyone insulting you first.
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:23:51.2587093-05:00
@Joe: I could probably make that for real. I would have to mash up popcorn kernals, use them to make an infused oil, and then use that oil in stove top popcorn.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:24:56.6147855-05:00
"@Joe: I could probably make that for real. I would have to mash up popcorn kernals, use them to make an infused oil, and then use that oil in stove top popcorn." Interesting, I wonder how it would taste?
TheMarquis says2015-04-11T19:26:43.4417254-05:00
@Joe: Next time I am bored at school I'll try it and tell ya.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:27:05.7547284-05:00
@PetersSmith and TheMarquis, have you seen my poll the which is creepier? Http://www.Debate.Org/polls/which-creeps-you-out-more-caecilians-or-snakes
UtherPenguin says2015-04-11T19:28:47.3209026-05:00
Can any of you guys vote on my debate please? It has only three days left worth of voting: It's a devil's advocate debate so I am not actually debating on the side that fits my views
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:31:45.3394684-05:00
It is so sad he forfeited the last round, it looks like a good debate.
Wylted says2015-04-11T19:34:39.4252038-05:00
Brian you also have problems with rational discourse. You make many presumptions when talking about the other side of an issue, while also generally coming across as an idealogue. It's actually absurd to have your political philosophy as a name when, you're so young. Any intelligent person will not enter their 30s with the same political ideals they had in their twenties
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:38:55.1414953-05:00
PetersSmith, then you're lying. I started by telling everyone who voted to feel free to say why. Mathgeekjoe, responded with this "Well currently I am the only one, and I don't feel like dealing with your condescending attitude right now so I rather not." making condescending jabs at me for no reason whatsoever, even if we had no so great experiences in the past, that comment was unnecessary. I responded asking why he even bothered voting or commenting in the first place if he was going to be rude about it and he proceeded to call me a bigot for NO reason. - "I personally don't feel like having a BS contest with a bigot at the moment." - You know VERY WELL if I did this you would be attacking me for it like you did here. Stop pretending to not see it, you're not as oblivious as you pretend to be. I am done with your bs lying. Good night.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:41:37.5264601-05:00
Briantheliberal: Can you see no fault in what you do? If no, then I'm going to need you to message me personally.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:41:45.7494051-05:00
Brian, I said what I said based on past experience, and history typically repeats itself. If you are so badly upset by it, you could ask for me to apologize.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:43:01.8098219-05:00
Why do I have to message you personally? Why not say what you have to right here?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:43:52.3253709-05:00
I don't need your apologies, I need you to stop insulting me for no reason, and then denying it when you know you're wrong.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:44:01.4093505-05:00
Briantheliberal: Because I'm not getting notifications for this and it's easier to talk through PMs. I'm certain you would feel the same way.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:44:34.3603956-05:00
Briantheliberal: And then of course doing it through here would allow other people to interject.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:44:57.2013814-05:00
Okay. If you think that is better then let's do that.
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:47:24.0473477-05:00
Briantheliberal: Whenever you're ready.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T19:48:28.9704507-05:00
I am ready, just waiting for you.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:49:46.4229612-05:00
Brian, I haven't been denying, I have pasted my comments several times here. You think I am wrong, I beg to disagree, but there seems to be no good reason to continue this. Since it isn't productive thing for me to comment on, I won't accuse you of bigotry anymore even if you commit it,
PetersSmith says2015-04-11T19:50:24.3535729-05:00
Briantheliberal: I said message me and you seem to have agreed to that, I literally can't message you. You should be able to for me though, if you can't let me know.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T19:52:04.0903137-05:00
Anyways, good night, I am going to my Caecilian poll.

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