Evolution: Morality evolves (like everything else) by us wanting to become more productive in all aspects of life.
Revolution: We should try to hold on to traditional values as much as we can. Practicing what we already know is the only solace.
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Revolution: a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence.
So where did you get revolution meaning "holding on to traditional values" from? Another failed "jab" at religion?
@PetersSmith 1. Is innervation a necessity to how the universe (Spacetime) functions? If so, wouldn't Evolution be a default/inevitable position? 2. Aren't Revolutions partly conducted by one side wanting to keep the traditional value? My answers are yes, yes, and yes respectively. In conclusion, aren't traditional values in the fault?
And my answer to that, is yes.
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I know what you are trying to get at. Here is my only point. I don't know why people fear the inherent instability in morals. Sure, morals could go "the other way". We could "evolve" to think that killing is OK. So what? We could also evolve to a place of true understanding and compassion. I don't see religion holding society together any more than nothing. We are getting "smarter" over time, and with that comes greater compassion. Great! Lest celebrate that rather than worry about the root being religions.
@TBR Morality is like the climate... They both exhibit a trend...
Wait. Not my only point. If the zenith of morals is religion that stagnated with the canonization of the bible, or the Koran being put to paper, that is just sad. I think we can do better, and much better than anything envisioned by the documents that have caused such pain. Sure, we could go the other way as I have said. I just have "faith" or a "wish" that we keep working towards being better. The documents are unnecessary, and loose relevance day-after-day.
@TBR Them having a trend is the only analogy that i was getting at. Morality is going in a positive direction unlike the climate.
Yup. I agree. Morals are improving despite the overheated rhetoric. "Gays and ...." whatever. Too tired to even try and do the Christian thing. We are more peaceful, less killie, and more inclined to global justice. Yup, morals are improving. If they go the other way at some point? So what? Evolution is not a straight line, or as my biologists brother says "we evolve as much in spite of evolution as because of it".
I should say, his point is about biological evolution, not social evolution, but the quote still works. Look, we move the way we move. Whatever happens in the next one hundred years, next one thousand, ten... Well, who knows. I like to think that we still exist, and are moving towards the stars, but there is only the wish. If we die out, become uber Christians and Muslums killing each other off. Could happen, no big deal. The universe could care less.
@TBR I agree with everything except up until the last part you said. Keep in mind you're the universe dispute the illusion of individuality. If you care, the universe cares also, but it can also not care at the same time ;)
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What's with you and traditional values?
Triangle.128k: He's an anti-conservative anti-theist (which he will probably not deny), who makes hasty generalizations and strawmans nearly everything about religion and conservatism.
@triangle.128k There are no traditional values, e.G traditional marriage. The irony is real.
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Concepts of morality hard-wired into our brains such as being against things like rape, murder, theft etc. Those should always remain the same way. Though more subjective and debatable aspects of morality might be up to change in a positive way.
I don't really like traditional values, but I like revolution
When you said "Revolution" I thought we were going to revolt, but it's just another Evolution/Creation poll :(
Tradition is what kept society going for a long time. Society has become so complicated and screwed up because we are losing traditional values. I fantasize about a world where everything reverts back to the traditional ways of the good old days.
Not sure how you can evolve any further given the reality of the universe. Its mechanics arent evolving. Theres not going to be any ascension or anything like that. Theres nowhere else to go really. You could try to think there is some kind of path you can set to only get better ... but in reality we either dance around where we are at or we try to escape it, and are destroyed, and everything goes full circle again.
Revolution, because I've seen many examples of degeneration in humanity. Homosexuality is one of many examples because they can't evolve along with humanity. Asexuality? Pansexuality? Bestiality? And what's next? Pedosexuality???