First glance - What does this symbolism?

Posted by: TBR

Don't over think - Try to be intellectual honest

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Nazism (first) Jainism (second)

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Nazism

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Jainism

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Jainism (first) Nazism (second)

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UtherPenguin says2015-04-03T14:53:19.8592025-05:00
The Manji
PetersSmith says2015-04-03T14:53:52.1242802-05:00
That is factually the Jainist symbol.
briantheliberal says2015-04-03T14:53:56.0555558-05:00
Depends on where I see it. If it's drawn on a Jewish synagogue or on a patch on some white guy's arm, I will assume nazism. If it's on a temple in Southeast Asia, I will assume Jainism. I'd say both.
Kreakin says2015-04-03T15:41:21.1350120-05:00
I would consider it primarily a Nazi symbol taken from a reversed manji. Not sure about it's origins just new it was reversed from light to dark meaning.
triangle.128k says2015-04-03T15:44:44.0004157-05:00
Couldn't you give the option to add more answers? Jainism and Nazism are not the only meaning of the swastika.
TBR says2015-04-03T15:52:35.5853143-05:00
@triangle.128k - No. I could have worded it differently, but providing additional peaceful uses would have bifurcated results hurting the "peaceful" vote. I am attempting to make a fair, and intellectual honest poll.
TBR says2015-04-03T15:56:14.0305171-05:00
As PetersSmith says, it is IN FACT the Janis symbol. Even accurately depicted (reverse, and not tilted) our mind go to Nazis. WWII was a WORLD WAR. It touched everyone. It is natural and understandable that this symbol, for better or worse, has been tarnished. In fact, I would NOT like people to attempt to "reform" it as positive. If that were accomplished, in say a generation or two, would the message of what the Nazis were saying be deluted with the new "reformed" understanding of the symbol?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-03T16:05:21.3464281-05:00
I agree with TBR.
Kreakin says2015-04-03T16:06:40.4497927-05:00
It is also a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Odinism. To quote "The symbol experienced a resurgence in the late nineteenth century, following extensive archeological work such as that of the famous archeologist Heinrich Schliemann. Schliemann discovered the hooked cross on the site of ancient Troy. He connected it with similar shapes found on pottery in Germany and speculated that it was a “significant religious symbol of our remote ancestors.” The work of Schliemann soon was taken up by völkisch movements, for whom the swastika was a symbol of “Aryan identity” and German nationalist pride." A member of the Thule society came up with the first version apparently which Hitler adapted. I can't find any reference to it being specifically taken from just the one religion only yet however.
Tonius5 says2015-04-03T16:16:52.2615701-05:00
Just a swastika doesn't really make me think much. Unlike something like a pentagram, it has a lot of widespread uses.
Kreakin says2015-04-03T16:17:44.7892333-05:00
You surprise me...
TBR says2015-04-03T16:20:23.3736635-05:00
I picked Janisim for a number of reasons Kreakin & triangle.128k. One, Jainism is about 2800 years old. It predates Buddhism by hundreds of years. Hinduism is older, but the symbol is more like a charm to them, like "good luck guy". It, the symbol, is arguably most closely associated with Jainism (first) Buddhism (second) Hindu (third) for religious connections.
Kreakin says2015-04-03T16:25:03.4056733-05:00
Interesting, I'm still reading up. Did you see the stuff about the Thule Society? They had a Swastika with curves that was circular rather than square. Apparently Hitler took it from there according to Mein Campf.
TBR says2015-04-03T16:35:38.0239611-05:00
@Kreakin - That is new information to me. Thanks
Stefy says2015-04-03T16:36:29.2450748-05:00
Depends on the context i see it in. The one on the nazi flag is also angled differently and usually paired with red. Im not sure what my first impression is to be honest but its a really interesting question to think about its some good self evaluation
Kreakin says2015-04-03T16:37:33.7285287-05:00
Me too, I'm still reading it now!
TBR says2015-04-03T16:44:54.4972027-05:00
Stefy - I left it devoid of color to make it "fair". The question is a bit of a rorschach test. Just what order do you think when you see the symbol. Get it?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-03T23:26:26.7166699-05:00
Wow this poll is really neck and neck.

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