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Yes, Freedom of speech and I can do what ever I want

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Yes, freedom of speech, but should be discouraged

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No, It's disrespectful to people who died for our country, and unpatriotic

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Forthelulz says2015-06-07T08:02:23.5790780-05:00
That flag is touching the ground! That's terrible!
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T08:03:53.7644123-05:00
Yea, I know some people think of it as just some piece of cloth.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T14:06:52.4585835-05:00
Flag burning is only done, by crazy Americans who lack respect for their country.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T17:12:18.9270796-05:00
Or maybe they have something worthwhile to protest, and realize that the best way to get their fellow countrymen's attention is to burn their beloved pieces of fabric.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T19:23:28.5424130-05:00
Name one thing.
SithKiller says2015-06-07T19:27:16.1182145-05:00
Midnight, I'm disgusted with what you said right there. You are saying the only way to get attention is to burn a flag thousands have died for?? I'm sorry if you liberals don't give a $hit about your country, but there are a lot of people that do.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T19:31:19.2794514-05:00
Your are being ridiculous now. If you think only conservatives care about their country, then you are very narrow minded. The word Liberal doesn't mean I hate my country.
SithKiller says2015-06-07T19:53:17.8994819-05:00
I know not all liberals are like that, but only liberals talk like this.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T19:54:07.4825536-05:00
Yeah that explains why a lot of the GOP candidates want to cut spending for Veterans care.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:30:57.4754756-05:00
Here's a former mayor burning a Chinese flag to protest harassment of Filipino ships. Http://newsinfo.Inquirer.Net/591892/afuang-aflame-china-flag-burns-over-ayungin-incident
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:32:13.7784292-05:00
Quebec separatist protestors burned Canadian flags, and I believe other Canadians burned Quebec flags as well. So if you think flag burning is only done by "crazy Americans who lack respect for their country," you're deluded.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:34:57.3812253-05:00
Your example is about a Filipino burning a Chinese flag. Why should he care about the Chinese flag? Iranians burn American flags 24/7.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:39:31.6457633-05:00
Quebec separatists wanted to separate from Canada. They didn't consider themselves Canadian anymore.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:42:29.0835755-05:00
Ok, so an American burning a patterned piece of cloth is a horrible thing, but an Iranian burning a piece of cloth with the same pattern is totally different? Ok. Btw, Quebec SEPERATISTS wanted to secede from Canada, they didn't consider Quebec to be it's own country at that point.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:45:16.8960026-05:00
Iranians burn U.S flags because they hate the U.S foreign policy and for supporting Democracy. Why should the average American hate the U.S? If they wanted to secede from Canada, what else were they planning on doing then? Joining the U.S?
Varrack says2015-06-07T20:46:00.6080432-05:00
He never said Iranians burning American flags is completely different. It's just as bad, imo, as an American doing it.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:46:13.1818850-05:00
Key words, they "wanted" to secede from Canada, they were still Canadians, and they knew that.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:47:44.5943028-05:00
"Your example is about a Filipino burning a Chinese flag. Why should he care about the Chinese flag? Iranians burn American flags 24/7." He obviously considers foreigners burning your countries flag isn't nearly as bad. I think Tajshar2k believes that Americans are morally obligated to love this patterned piece of cloth.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:47:45.5668616-05:00
If they "wanted" to secede, that means they don't want to be Canadian anymore.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:48:52.6346479-05:00
That means they don't want to be Canadian anymore. They still were Canadians at the time of burning the flag. Also you haven't answered how burning your own countries flag is any more offensive as burning someone else's.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:49:03.8179664-05:00
But the average American doesn't have a reason to burn the U.S Flag.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:50:04.9711424-05:00
You speak for all Americans now?
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:50:09.5576306-05:00
You haven't answered why an American would want to burn an American flag. This poll is referring to burning the American flag. If you didn't know.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:50:55.4061967-05:00
BOP is on you to prove why the average American should burn the U.S flag. I don't have to prove the negative.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:51:18.0599777-05:00
Actually the title is very general, you don't even say the word "America" in the title or any of your answers.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:52:12.4177719-05:00
Ok, why does the average American have to burn their flag?
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:52:15.9824618-05:00
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/Flag-Burning-Incidents-Nationwide/id-99d439650a488f2aadcfa739d2ed8160 If you want a list of incidences, there you go.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:54:56.0985700-05:00
Here's westboro baptist church trampling flags with their feet. Http://www.Newser.Com/story/99668/judge-westboro-protesters-free-to-desecrate-flag.Html
Midnight1131 says2015-06-07T20:55:33.3407252-05:00
You should know that you can't assume that every American citizen has nothing to protest against.
tajshar2k says2015-06-07T20:56:45.0159635-05:00
You still haven't answered my question. How does Abortion activists and WBC represent the average American? With that logic, I can say we shouldn't criticize anybody of being racist, because thats part of freedom of speech.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T09:04:32.7624970-05:00
Abortion activists and WBC are still Americans, this answers your question which asked "why would any American have a problem with the US?"
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T09:30:43.6485696-05:00
I asked why would the "AVERAGE" American would have a problem.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:09:12.1529740-05:00
What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if the "average" [please define average btw] has no problem, then no protests are justified???
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:13:26.1726589-05:00
Taj is right, Since racism is also freedom of speech, should it be considered okay now? After all, it is freedom of speech.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:15:30.2561850-05:00
Completely ignoring all my other points I see.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:17:32.0945182-05:00
Wow, the irony... Please, answer this question. Then I'll think about reading your other points. Since Racism is okay, we shouldn't criticize it?
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:18:35.3238040-05:00
Thats, not what I'm trying to say. Why would you resort to flag burning, when there are other methods of protest? I legally can't force you too stop, but I can condemn it for sure.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:18:54.3249694-05:00
Racism is discrimination, and harmful to other people, that's why it should be discouraged. Flag burning is not harming anyone.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:19:54.6513295-05:00
So you're ranking forms of peaceful protest now? If people want to protest peacefully, they can do whatever they want.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:20:52.6532449-05:00
Flag burning is hurtful and harmful to people who served our country in times of war. Also its hurtful to people who actually respect their country. I can also say that Racism isn't harming anybody, if people don't consider it harmful. Same with flag burning, you think its okay, because you lack respect for your country.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:22:52.5883513-05:00
They can do whatever they want, but it is disrespectful to other people, and should be discouraged. Discouraging people into not doing something is also considered freedom of speech. You have the right to tell people how you feel about their actions.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:22:52.9175466-05:00
Flag burning is disrespectful to them if that's how they choose to take it, but in the end they're burning a piece of cloth. Not to mention that a few soldiers have said they aren't against flag burning, so please stop pretending like you speak on behalf of all troops now.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:25:00.6668143-05:00
I'm speaking on behalf of people who find it disrespectful. In the end, racism is just a bunch of opinions that are directed towards somebody.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:25:58.8247327-05:00
Yup, racism is directed towards somebody, and flag burning is directed towards the state and the gov't.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:27:56.5625344-05:00
Ya, I suppose you represent the flag, and only you know who it is directed towards too... Seriously, if you think only the government cares, you must be living under a rock.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:29:49.2718252-05:00
Be not against something isn't the same as supporting it. I'm not against it, because Its FOS, but I will never support it, because its disrespectful, and their are alternative ways to protest.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:30:36.5450376-05:00
No, I never said only the gov't cares, but flag burnings are directed towards the gov't. If other people get offended by burning cloth, they should know it's probably not directed to them.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:30:45.5786693-05:00
You do know that "somebody" works for the government right?
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:31:47.7566428-05:00
So you're argument here is that flag burning is bad, because it offends the people working in gov't. Wow, so we can't offend the government now??
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:36:34.8034266-05:00
Where the hell did say its bad because it offends the government?? I was talking about how stupidly you said flag burning is targeted towards the government, as if the government is controlled by robots.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:39:14.7832393-05:00
But the Flag isn't government property, it represents every American.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:40:22.6601446-05:00
Ok, you said that the gov't is made up of people, and burning flags offends those people. Then you respond again saying "Where the hell did say its bad because it offends the government??" So was this just a useless point that has no real relevance to the discussion? Because you fully said the government is made up of people, to respond to my point that said "it offends the government and not the people."
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:40:59.8686310-05:00
Again, find one instance where flag burning by Americans is directed towards "every American".
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:44:09.4158924-05:00
Who cares, f it is directed towards the government? If I destroy a national monument, you think only the government will care?? It a national symbol that represents all Americans. WHen 9/11 happened, the reason for it happening was retaliation against the U.S foreign policies, but do you think it only affected the government??
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:45:07.1589734-05:00
I said "You do know that "somebody" works for the government right?" how does that equal it offends people who work for the govenment?
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:46:47.9943596-05:00
So in the last comment, tajshar2k admits that flag burning is directed towards the gov't, not the public. He compares burning a piece of fabric to destroying a national monument, which actually cost time and money to make, and would also be considered a national piece of art. And then he tries to compare flag burning to 9-11.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:48:45.3067685-05:00
Ok sithkiller, sorry for my misunderstanding. Please explain the point you were trying to get across with that statement,
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:49:23.3913453-05:00
Ok so? Do I care if it is directed towards the government? It still effects people emotionally. It a national symbol.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:50:48.0939177-05:00
And my point for comparing flag burning to 9/11, was to show that just because something is directed towards the government, does mean people arent affected by it. No idiot would say flag burning is worse than 9/11.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:51:18.6737020-05:00
Yeah, it affects them emotionally, that's not enough reason to "discourage" and "condemn people for doing it." Methods of protest don't have to be designed to ensure that no one will get their feelings hurt.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:52:19.1468530-05:00
You can't compare flag burning to 9-11, because people lost their lives on 9-11, flag burning is, again, burning a piece of cloth with a copy of pattern on it, and it harms absolutely no one.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:52:53.9393920-05:00
So I guess you are the one to decide what is offensive to people and what isn't? Just because you don't care, doesn't mean other people will.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:53:42.1599193-05:00
But people are still affected. Thats my point of comparing that.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:54:23.7191185-05:00
Ya I know, thats why its not illegal, its FOS. But it does disrespect others.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:54:40.0370323-05:00
So I guess you think that you shouldn't be allowed to burn cloth with specific patterns on it because some people will get their feelings hurt? I guess every for of protest that hurts peoples feelings should be condemned and discouraged.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:55:16.0581250-05:00
You said that racism effects somebody, and the flag burning effects the government. So it sounds like your saying the government isnt human or something.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:55:37.7581423-05:00
That brings me to the point of this poll, which was clearly biased, which is disappointing cause I wouldn't have expected you of all people to make biased polls [just look at the pictures.] But you have 2 options that both mean the exact same thing.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:55:55.2031944-05:00
You should learn the difference between not allowed, and be discouraged from doing.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:56:07.8355207-05:00
So are you saying that flag burning affecting the gov't is a good enough reason for flag burning to be condemned?
Varrack says2015-06-08T15:56:49.5195223-05:00
Why don't you guys just debate this? The polls aren't designed for long-term convos.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:56:53.6950946-05:00
Care to explain how it is biased?
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:57:02.1713656-05:00
Yes, freedom of speech and should be discouraged versus yes, freedom of speech I can do whatever I want. These two options are the exact same thing, it's going to be legal both ways, and people will do whatever they want both ways.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T15:57:27.8629709-05:00
Just look at the photo beside the "discouraged" option.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T15:58:35.8097136-05:00
Your just changing the subject now...
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T15:59:05.5853389-05:00
Ya, my bad I couldn't find another picture.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:00:07.3625269-05:00
So are you saying that flag burning affecting the gov't is a good enough reason for flag burning to be condemned? I said this and the thing about it being biased, tajshar2k decided to not answer this, and only respond to me calling the poll biased, so no, I didn't change the subject, everyone just ignored this statement here.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:01:04.0072162-05:00
Then why would you ask two questions then?
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T16:01:54.7705924-05:00
Then don't ask 2 questions the same time then. To answer your question, actually I answered this like 5 times, it doesn't affect only the government. Unless you can prove it that flag burning only affects the government.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:02:09.5211980-05:00
I asked two questions because I had two things to ask, that were related to the poll, but not each other. You can't say I changed the subject, tajshar2k decided to not respond to that statement.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:04:08.1430404-05:00
Tajshar2k, I already asked you to find an incidence where Americans burned flags and it was directed towards the public, to this you responded - "Who cares, f it is directed towards the government? If I destroy a national monument, you think only the government will care??" So you decided not to find any evidence that it has ever been directed towards the public, instead decided to only talk about how it being directed towards the government doesn't matter.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:04:27.9887494-05:00
You still changed the current topic, which was discussing flag burning affecting people. Then you went on to the poll picture.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T16:05:46.3127758-05:00
Why should I find evidence for something I never said? Where did I say flag burning is directed towards the government?? I said it affects people. I don't have to find sources for stuff, I never even said.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:05:51.3959428-05:00
I actually addressed both, but you both decided to ignore what I said about flag burning. And you are still trying to change the topic by continuing to accuse me of changing the topic.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T16:06:14.2659826-05:00
The public*
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:07:27.9461995-05:00
No I didn't, you stopped replying to me after you "misunderstood me" So, I never was changing the topic. In tajshar's case, you were changing the topic.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:07:38.8352089-05:00
" actually I answered this like 5 times, it doesn't affect only the government." I already gave you examples of flag burning, and they were all directed towards the gov't and state. If you want to prove this wrong, but your own sources that give incidences of flag burning directed towards the public.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:09:05.3158798-05:00
So are you saying that flag burning affecting the gov't is a good enough reason for flag burning to be condemned? See the last thing you wrote before I said this, this was a response to that, and I figured it was good enough to respond to tajshar2k as well. But you both ignored it. Do you expect me to keep responding separately to 2 different people in a comments section?
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T16:09:48.6609055-05:00
How does being directed towards something, equal the same thing as being affected.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:11:14.9461648-05:00
I could be offended by someone burning the NASA flag, because that flag is symbolic to everyone who loves space exploration, does that mean my opinion on the topic mean anything at all to other peopl? No.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:11:26.0691787-05:00
Tajshar already answered this! He said it doesn't only affect the government.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:12:20.2150785-05:00
Yes! And that was after you told me "I'm changing the subject," but right now I'm trying to keep up two conversations, one with you about this, and one with tajshar2k.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:13:03.3682498-05:00
Your comparing NASA to the National Flag...
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:14:02.7429916-05:00
Why are you arguing then? He already said it affects the people.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:14:24.7192718-05:00
Well yeah, they're both just pieces of fabric in my eyes. It matters more what they represent, not the flag itself. If it was something significant like the very first american flag or something, then I'd understand why people are upset.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:15:36.0951868-05:00
I was arguing with you after you accused me of changing the subject. And he responded to my original statement somewhere in the middle of this argument, so I had to keep up with that conversation as well as the one with you.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T16:16:31.4450512-05:00
Ok your now making no sense, why would the first flag be more significant??
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:17:49.9769614-05:00
Lol, finally, we're getting somewhere. The first flag in my opinion holds historical value, whereas a regular flag is just a symbol, and the symbol doesn't matter nearly as much as what it represents.
tajshar2k says2015-06-08T16:18:13.6426165-05:00
It makes no sense you would be more sympathetic towards the 13th colonies flag, but not the U.S Flag.
Midnight1131 says2015-06-08T16:19:36.8702170-05:00
I see I'm being misunderstood, by the "first flag," I meant the very first American flag ever manufactured.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T17:08:14.8439308-05:00
Yea... Thats a really dumb way of looking at it.
SithKiller says2015-06-08T17:09:09.9129898-05:00
Here is a link of a news article on yotube that says 99% of veterans support it. Watch it I dare you! Https://youtu.Be...
SithKiller says2015-06-08T17:09:35.6727135-05:00
Sorry, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0&feature=youtu.be

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