For only those who believe in evolution. Are humans apes according to evolution?

Posted by: Mathgeekjoe

By evolution I mean macroevolution which is defined as major evolutionary change. The term applies mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time.

  • Humans are apes, human are a Hominoidea which means ape.

  • Humans are not apes, humans and apes evolved from an apelike ancestor but not an ape.

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45% 5 votes
  • Technically we are apes. Ape is an umbrella term that encompasses many different species, including homo sapiens. The term ape refers to any primate species, with no tails (most of the time). Humans are apes and our ancestors evolved from a common ancestor of chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas, which are also ape species.

  • Taxonomically speaking, yes, humans are classified under the family Hominidae, otherwise known as the great apes, along with chimps, gorillas and orangutans. But the other statement is also partially true, humans evolved from a common ancestor with the rest of the great apes fairly recently compared with our common ancestry with other species, that's what makes us so closely related to them.

  • Duh.

  • There is not much of a debate here... It is only a matter of vocabulary and how you call things. The closest living relative to chimpanzee is human. Not orang-utan or gorilla but human. So saying that we are not apes makes the chimpanzee a human... I'd rather say that we (us, chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orang-utans) are all apes. And if your self esteem is not comfortable with it, just say that we are one damn smart ape.

  • Are fish humans? This makes no sense, humans aren't apes.

  • Is a turnip human, I mean do we look like turnips??

  • Ok.. ape is mostly a useless term. in one sense, there is really only one ape.. the Barbary Ape, and that is a macaque. Its the only animal with "ape" in its name. Otherwise ape is an English word used to loosely define a few primates; Gibbons, Orangs, Gorillas and Chimps. It was never intended to include us - we already have a word.. "humans". Ape is really not a technical term. So if you want to know what group we belong to - its not apes; there are some very good technical group names to use instead for that reason. If you want to be included in the "apes" - that's cool. And if you don't that's cool too. but "ape" is not the right category for us. Humans (one of the hominin primate species) evolved from a common ancestor with chimps and we are still trying to pin down the details of that relationship and what went before. End of.

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triangle.128k says2015-04-12T22:23:25.9940188-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, are you seriously a creationist?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:25:24.2003726-05:00
Doesn't matter for this poll, are humans apes according to evolution?
MentalSpeed4 says2015-04-12T22:26:02.0116248-05:00
No hes trying to prove a miswording I used. Chimpanzee* not apes because all humans are apes
heil39 says2015-04-12T22:26:15.2739650-05:00
I know this is a trap where you want me to stumble up
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:27:26.9076128-05:00
I am not trying to prove anything, I just wanted to make a poll that ask people are humans apes?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:27:49.4023802-05:00
And I didn't want any creationist coming in and messing up the results.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T22:28:25.8744788-05:00
Heil, you already know you're wrong, that's why. You know humans are an ape species so that alone destroys your flawed idea that only blacks are apes and other humans are not.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:29:04.4057378-05:00
"The term ape refers to any primate species, with no tails (most of the time)." Brian that isn't the term ape, it is the term 'Barbary ape'.
triangle.128k says2015-04-12T22:29:39.1930688-05:00
@Mathgeekjoe Any reason to why you deny Evolution when there are many Christians whom accept it?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:31:18.8141516-05:00
"I know this is a trap where you want me to stumble up" "Heil, you already know you're wrong, that's why. You know humans are an ape species so that alone destroys your flawed idea that only blacks are apes and other humans are not." Can you two not fight here, please, I prefer you to not sidetrack the comments.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T22:31:38.8002642-05:00
'Brian that isn't the term ape, it is the term 'Barbary ape'.' - So.. Basically we are still apes? Just 'barbary' apes?
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T22:32:24.2846939-05:00
I am not fighting, just making a point.
triangle.128k says2015-04-12T22:33:28.7738537-05:00
I'm not fighting, i'm curious to know why you're a creationist. You seem to not have the ability to answer that.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:33:37.1976917-05:00
"@Mathgeekjoe Any reason to why you deny Evolution when there are many Christians whom accept it?" If you want to talk to me about it, try PM, I don't want to sidetrack the comments.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:37:01.8697502-05:00
"So.. Basically we are still apes? Just 'barbary' apes?" Brian, there is no definite wrong or right answer here, if you define ape as 'barbary ape' then pick yes. There are also definition and reasoning for human to not be considered apes.
JuliusMach10 says2015-04-12T22:37:54.5147432-05:00
Genesis 01 said it's a trap using his heil account to prevent evidence linking the two
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T22:38:49.5504848-05:00
"There are also definition and reasoning for human to not be considered apes." - Which are?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:41:07.9978223-05:00
"The intersection of the two lines represents something special, what biologists refer to as a common ancestor. This apelike ancestor, which probably lived 5 to 11 million years ago in Africa, gave rise to two distinct lineages, one resulting in hominids -- humanlike species -- and the other resulting in the great ape species living today. Or, to use a family tree analogy, the common ancestor occupied a trunk, which then divided into two branches. Hominids developed along one branch, while the great ape species developed along another branch." http://science.Howstuffworks.Com/life/evolution/humans-descended-from-apes.Htm "Chimpanzees are apes. Gorillas are apes, as are bonobos, orangutans, and gibbons. We routinely differentiate the “great apes” from the “lesser apes”, where the latter are gibbons and siamangs. Humans are not apes. Humans are hominoids, and all hominoids are anthropoids. So are Old World monkeys like baboons and New World monkeys like marmosets. All of us anthropoids. But humans aren’t monkeys." http://johnhawks.Net/weblog/topics/phylogeny/taxonomy/humans-arent-apes-2012.Html
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T22:41:59.0873732-05:00
Make sure you fix the capital letters in the links, DDO makes certain letters capital which may mess up the link.
briantheliberal says2015-04-12T22:59:02.7610373-05:00
Mathgeekjoe, The link doesn't work, so would you mind messaging it to me? Also, "This apelike ancestor, which probably lived 5 to 11 million years ago in Africa, gave rise to two distinct lineages, one resulting in hominids -- humanlike species -- and the other resulting in the great ape species living today." - This doesn't make much sense because humans are not the only hominid species. Classification of hominids doesn't include being "humanlike" and while humans are anthropoids, we are also considered apes.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-12T23:03:34.7667224-05:00
I think this may fix the capitalization issue on DDO. Source one http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/humans-descended-from-apes.htm Source two http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/phylogeny/taxonomy/humans-arent-apes-2012.html
Episteme says2015-04-13T17:40:31.8995989-05:00
Taxonomy is a highly flawed study. To place a group of animals into a certain category is, in many ways, somewhat arbitrary. It was much more arbitrary at least a century ago when genetic testing wasn't available to discern species very well - they just had to see the animals and determine how similar they were. Anyway, if placing any animal into a category is flawed then placing humans into a specific taxonomical category is also somewhat arbitrary. Who determines what an ape's genetic makeup is meant to be? A group of scientists somewhere are trying to figure out how to define the term ape, or canis familiaris, or lupus lupus. My point is that we cannot scientifically determine whether we are apes are not. We can see how similar we are, that our hands are similar, that our use of tools is similar, that our sociability is similar. We have similar genetic make ups to the great apes, but to what extent does our genetic make-up have to be similar in order for humans to be considered apes and not some other thing entirely? Where are taxonomists supposed to draw the line? So, we could be apes ourselves, or we have an ape ancestor (which would highly suggest that we might still be apes if we have an ape ancestor.) Finally, evolution itself is a highly studied and well thought out theory that has proven to be extremely reliable. Evolution doesn't really take thousands of years to witness, within a few plant generations you can easily see their change to weather patterns and the like.

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