Homosexuality is no more a choice than a heterosexual male finding females attractive.

Posted by: Zylorarchy

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  • The scientific evidence backs this all up and basic common knowledge tells you that most people would not willingly choose to potentially subject themselves to possibly severe discrimination. Homosexuality is blatantly obviously not a choice, no more of a choice than being attracted to females.

  • Gay is okay.

    Posted by: Dilara
  • I have thought about this and my conclusion is that homosexuals experience the same involuntary attraction to gays as a heterosexual male would have towards a women.

  • Being gay is as much of a choice as being trans (compared to a cisgender).

  • Science has actually proven it. Besides that, why would someone CHOOSE to be tormented?

  • I think this is self explanatory, unless you suffer from a form of illogical understanding.

  • Any form of love is ok by me but some times people are confused and search for connection to solve loneliness. Knowing oneself is a precursor to forming a relationship. If it is gay or straight it is ok by me as long as it's mutual, loving and caring. Peace y'all.....

  • Science :)

  • I've seen several people use the argument...Why would someone choose to be gay, since they would face discrimination...yadda yadda yadda. Well. Being a Christian is a choice. People make this choice, knowing that they will face persecution, and even death. So that argument doesn't make any sense at all. Try again.

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SamStevens says2014-06-20T18:09:26.4737693-05:00
Edit: My comment should read" involuntary attraction to men" not gays, my bad.
Haroush says2014-06-20T21:26:00.0491668-05:00
There is a process someone go through in order for them to turn gay.
Haroush says2014-06-20T21:26:17.4941326-05:00
Lol.. Goes through.
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-06-20T21:29:39.2587364-05:00
"There is a process someone go through in order for them to turn gay." Evidence?
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T21:39:22.9566127-05:00
I decided I like both. Simple.
Haroush says2014-06-20T21:44:24.5184569-05:00
Well, why is it some people develop an attraction for the same sex? Bisexuals are a great example, they tend to become absolutely gay. Explain that to me.
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T21:48:58.5650786-05:00
I currently have a girlfriend. I can't tell you for sure. I've never let some guy stick something in me. I suppose it started with an attraction to my former best friend. And the us being super gay is a stereotype. Some girls and guys just seem attractive to me. Und vice versa. Sex isn't really the thing, it's more for companionship. If you want a good example of this, read some non-hentai yaoi or yuri. It shows the attraction pretty well.
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-06-20T21:52:05.1912641-05:00
"Well, why is it some people develop an attraction for the same sex? Bisexuals are a great example, they tend to become absolutely gay. Explain that to me." I will quote from SNP1 here. " Some people will say that so-and-so went from being gay to straight. Is this really the case? Think about it, if someone is born bisexual they can APPEAR to have a choice in the matter, but, in reality, they are just changing preferences. I will break it down this way: think about a heterosexual. They cannot choose to be attracted to the same gender, but what if they change their preference away from the opposite gender? They appear to be asexual. Let's say that a homosexual changes their preference away from the same gender, they appear to be asexual. Now, what about a bisexual? If a bisexual changes preference away from the opposite gender they appear to be homosexual. What if, instead, they changed their preference away from the same gender? They appear to be heterosexual. If they change their preference away from both they will then appear to be asexual."
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T21:54:00.4440641-05:00
Stop that. Stop using words!
Haroush says2014-06-20T22:04:27.7662562-05:00
Uh, sorry.. Preference is choice the way Snip explained it. Preference - a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. Therefore, it is a developmental process for those that are bisexual. Just like relationships are a developmental process, just like your future is a developmental process. When a mother has a son who doesn't like vegetables, she finds intriguing ways to help her son develop a liking for vegetables. Therefore, there is always process in what someone likes.
Haroush says2014-06-20T22:05:52.2009835-05:00
All social changes are processes.
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T22:06:57.9398049-05:00
Danke for handling this well. Most people who ask me that ask if I'm in a phase, or could change.
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-06-20T22:12:53.3434504-05:00
But not everyone is bisexual, there are still homosexuals and heterosexuals.
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T22:14:40.3485249-05:00
If everyone was Bi, it would make life easier.
Haroush says2014-06-20T22:29:00.3104302-05:00
Either way you look at it.. Gay/straight/bi/trans are all developmental processes. Think about it. Do you know about Maslow's hierarchy of human needs? This reigns true and even explains what I was talking about. Believe it or not, scientist actually took two male bears out of the wilderness and put them together in a cage. Guess what happened? Over time their physiological needs weren't being met so they had to have sex with each other to be physiologically satisfied. Now, tell me something... Did these bears necessarily like each other or did they develop a liking for each other?
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T22:32:21.6449924-05:00
I'm confused by you. I grew up along side both boys and guys. Heh... That would explain it.
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-20T22:32:34.5148274-05:00
lifemeansevolutionisgood says2014-06-20T22:37:11.6080283-05:00
Do you mind sourcing such a claim? I see that a lot from people on your side of this argument, sourceless claims, and if they source they use biased sources.
Haroush says2014-06-20T23:18:24.0649051-05:00
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/17/brown-bear-oral-sex_n_5500255.html http://bearproject.org/site/show/id/129 [(It's in a different language)Perhaps you can decipher the language some how? Sorry.] Also, have you ever heard of the Ironic process theory? You ought to have a look. By the way, I have a cockatiel. I have had him for a year now. Unfortunately, he hasn't had a partner since he has been owned even by the last owner ( I would buy another bird, but I am financially struggling right now.) Now since he has been by himself this entire time he has developed a liking for any bird of his kind (regardless of gender). How do I know this? Well, first off, it's good to know cockatiels don't have a sense self when they look in a mirror. Meaning, they think their reflection is another bird. This being said, when ever he sees the other bird (himself), he courts the other bird which is a male. On the contrary, he also tried courting a female cockatiel one time on my computer screen. This being said, he is desperate to have his physiological needs met. This is why he masturbates so much probably.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-21T04:04:56.0943847-05:00
LittleBallofHATE: Christianity is the dominant religion in the WORLD. Most Christians do not face even nearly the same intolerance that homosexuals do for Christians are the majority... My argument makes perfect sense as homosexuality has historically, and still is, the persecuted minority in the world.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-21T04:07:38.2262240-05:00
Haroush: A developmental process that honestly, we have no say in. The development of sexual orientation really is not a choice.
Haroush says2014-06-21T05:47:21.9649690-05:00
Zylo, Everyone has a say in a social developmental process. Most of the time, what happens is abnormal social behaviors is developed first because of parents' lack of attention to detail as their child grows older. For example, a child may have a lack of self-confidence due to their parents' over protective ways. Therefore, the child develops a shyness about him and not to mention lacks self-confidence. It then becomes a domino effect causing many other behavioral issues to develop in which then the child turns gay. (Abuse is another reason children grow up to be gay.)
YamaVonKarma says2014-06-21T09:49:15.3908915-05:00
... So I was abused?
Haroush says2014-06-21T09:49:59.9582812-05:00
@Zylo, By the way, I am not implying all cases are exactly the same, but there is always a developmental process.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-21T12:30:33.5680611-05:00
@Zylorarchy You really need to do some research. Christians are probably the most persecuted group in the world. Take a guess at how many countries have a death penalty for blasphemy, and heresy. The answer will probably surprise you. Even in America, persecution is on the rise. I could give countless examples.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-21T13:02:12.5599073-05:00
LittleBallofHATE: I'm not saying Christians are not persecuted, but if Christianity is the dominant religion, surely that largely explains it? Especially when the "Muslim world" is largely responsible for such violence against Christians and Islam is the second largest religion and let's be honest, largest intolerant of other faiths. Do you really think though that all these countries that persecute Christians do not for homosexuals? The death penalty and other serious punishments are very much present in the middle east and Africa, many of the same countries that are most responsible for persecution of Christians. But it's more than that, Christianity is a faith, a way of life, a set of values, teachings and a series of beliefs... What is homosexuality? A sexual orientation... Homosexuality is recognised as being hugely persecuted against historically and it is fact that homosexuals make up a small percentage. Why would anyone turn to homosexuality of their own free will? It is not a set of values or beliefs, it does not offer theories on the origins of life. There is nothing to believe in. All it is, is the attraction to people of the same sex... No one would actively choose to be discriminated against just to be with someone of the same sex. And this whole comment does not make even one mention of science, which pretty much has proven homosexuality is not a choice at all.
Haroush says2014-06-21T16:31:10.8447079-05:00
Zylo, You at least should give me some credit, but if you don't I don't care. I'm used to not being respected.
LittleBallofHATE says2014-06-21T17:48:11.0751234-05:00
Whether or not homosexual feelings are genetic, or not, the person makes a choice to act on those feelings. So, in the end, it IS a choice. Everything one does requires a choice. Plain and simple.
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-06-22T18:02:03.8245482-05:00
Not really. The desire to have fun is an instinct in it self. It is extremely challenging to stop an instinct. Breathing is not a choice, nor is heart beat. The desire for sex is a strong instinct in itself, and can be really challenging to suppress.
Haroush says2014-06-22T18:15:24.6282878-05:00
Which is a process... By the way, it's nice to see you around Comrade. It's been a while since we have debated. Miss me?
Comrade_Silly_Otter says2014-06-22T18:16:35.6238878-05:00
A little. I have just been drifting off, school is out.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-22T18:17:45.7703401-05:00
Haroush: I am confused, credit for what exactly? The input in the comments section? I do not disrespect you regardless.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-22T18:20:21.5994696-05:00
LittleBallofHATE: Homosexuality is the attraction to people of the same sex... Acting upon sexual desires is of course a choice but being attracted to the same sex, no way is that a choice. So NO homosexuality is NOT a choice in the end at all.
Haroush says2014-06-22T18:20:59.3104443-05:00
Meaning at the least giving me credit for well explained answers and use of a credible source such as Maslow's social Hierarchy.
Zylorarchy says2014-06-22T18:22:12.8483729-05:00
Haroush: Fair enough, but clearly homosexuality is not something that is chosen, whether this down to genetics, development of environmental factors.
Haroush says2014-06-22T18:22:52.1757208-05:00
Ahh, just make sure you spend that time of yours wisely Comrade. It is really easy to waste our time on useless things. I actually am in College myself right now.
Haroush says2014-06-22T18:54:52.2065823-05:00
@Zylo, I guess that is where we can agree to disagree. :)
Haroush says2014-06-22T19:00:46.5791592-05:00
I always find it as a necessity to show those on emotional subjects such as this that I do care about them despite my views. It's what's right, not just because it's right, but because I believe it is the right thing to do.

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