If a Christian baker should be forced to cater a gay wedding, should a gay baker be forced to cater a Christian wedding?

Posted by: Varrack

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Kreakin says2015-04-04T11:54:52.9358668-05:00
Not again!!
Varrack says2015-04-04T12:07:52.9624779-05:00
What?
TBR says2015-04-04T12:09:00.3346756-05:00
I don't understand why the right can't move on from the "baker" scenario. None of these laws say "Bakers must bake cakes..." The subject is allowing discrimination based on religion, not cakes.
BblackkBbirdd says2015-04-04T12:10:32.3521659-05:00
If a baker didn't cater for Christians getting married, they'd go out of business very quickly.
Varrack says2015-04-04T12:13:46.3685436-05:00
@BB, yes they would. However, businesses have a right to do that. It's ridiculous for the government to suppress religious beliefs and be "tolerant" of homosexuals while being completely intolerant to one's religious convictions which are protected under the First Amendment, unlike homosexual rights.
TBR says2015-04-04T12:20:47.9021550-05:00
@Varrack saysApril 4 - "However, businesses have a right to do that" Please show me that right. Please.
Tonius5 says2015-04-04T12:27:11.5406856-05:00
The right to refuse service.
Varrack says2015-04-04T12:29:23.1717980-05:00
@TBR: First Amendment.
TBR says2015-04-04T12:54:45.0258868-05:00
Varrack - 1st has nothing to do with commerce. An INDIVIDUAL is given a right to their religion. A business has no such right. A business must operate within the restraints of the state, and further be subjected to the constitutional "equal protection before the law" right of the individual.
Tonius5 says2015-04-04T14:12:12.7034473-05:00
The business may not be a living breathing organism, however it is still run by a living breathing human with rights. You do not forfeit your rights just because you own a business.
TBR says2015-04-04T14:23:10.4242680-05:00
@Tonius5 - The business can cease to exist as a corporate entity, shutdown by the state because it violates the rights of other individuals. The individuals who OWNED the business never had their rights violated. Find me the right. Please. I ask again. There is NO right to operate a business that violates the rights of individuals.
Dilara says2015-04-04T14:43:12.2016604-05:00
* don't agree with. I'm very tired.
Tonius5 says2015-04-04T15:24:10.7457402-05:00
What rights are being violated by the business?
Varrack says2015-04-04T15:28:17.9649469-05:00
The business isn't violating any rights. The business has the ultimate say in who to serve, and the customers can't change that. There are a million businesses out there anyway.
Wylted says2015-04-04T15:32:36.8344518-05:00
People should be able to do business with whoever they feel like. It is absurd for the government to start deciding what clientele a business should cater to.
TBR says2015-04-04T15:46:14.0865511-05:00
Varrack - NO THEY DONT! Find me where (anywhere) that is true. You simply CANT because is is not true.
Episteme says2015-04-04T15:46:56.3676355-05:00
Businesses should be accepting and welcoming of whoever comes into their doors as a guest or customer. Doing otherwise, is just not good business sense.
TBR says2015-04-04T15:54:19.9778131-05:00
Episteme - Appealing to behavior will not work with Christians within this discussion. The simple fact is, apart from breaking the law, as a business open to the public, YOU MUST SERVE THE CUSTOMER! Read the damn constitution (14) Civil Right Act, and business law. This is simply NOT IN QUESTION! Wonder why everyone is in a scramble to "fix" the law? Well a number of reasons, but THIS Indiana law will be overturned at the SCOTUS and put in question ALL OTHER STATE LAWS that attempt to do similar things (but are better written). You can not deny service to anyone based on your (anything). If they are NOT breaking a law, you must serve them.
Wylted says2015-04-04T17:53:40.0484295-05:00
TBR, that is absolutely incorrect. You are definitely allowed to discriminate against customers and I have in the past. I don't like people who are being loud, disruptive and yelling at my employees so I tell them to leave and I won't serve them. On one occasion a customer was annoying me and I never explained my reasons I just called the cops to remove them, as a rule of thumb you should be able to deny service to anyone for ANY REASON. The exceptions to that rule would obviously be when a business has monopolized an industry or when a business is heavily and directly subsidized.
Stefy says2015-04-04T17:54:06.4693126-05:00
This is suh a false equivilancy. Christians were never in danger of not being served. Stop trying to make everything about yourselves amd playing the victim and acknowledge people out their have it harder than you.
Stefy says2015-04-04T17:57:57.4867508-05:00
Thats not doscrimination in the sense were talking about wytled. They were doing something wrong. If a couple comes in and wants a cake and they are respectful paying customers you cant refuse them based on their sexuality. Just like you cant based on race or religion.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-04T18:17:09.9531754-05:00
TBR had it spot on!
TBR says2015-04-04T18:18:03.9693236-05:00
Wylted - You are simply WRONG. I am going to dinner now, I will get back later, but for the love of God read the fu*king law.
retrogamer176 says2015-04-04T18:22:51.3079990-05:00
14th amendment people, 14th amendment.
briantheliberal says2015-04-04T20:34:49.5288951-05:00
I would have absolutely no problem catering a Christian wedding. Then again, I am not a bigot who chooses to solely discriminate against people I don't agree with.
TBR says2015-04-04T20:58:35.2076620-05:00
Still waiting on the opposition to cite constitution or case law contradicting what I have said.
Varrack says2015-04-04T21:03:08.6314984-05:00
The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution Section 1. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." What does this have anything to do with this issue TBR? The State is not a business. Also, it can be argued that the State making laws against religious freedom deprive people of their natural rights.
TBR says2015-04-04T21:10:31.0680370-05:00
"equal protection of the laws". This means every individual shares the same rights before the law. This is the basics for the civil right laws. This is why YOU CANT KICK BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF YOUR LUNCH COUNTER! Now, read some corporate law. Read it. You are very smart, I know you are. Read just what a corporate charter is, and what its responsibilities are. You may just be surprised.
uglie-boy says2015-05-03T18:23:30.2794571-05:00
A gay baker probably would bake a cake for a Christian couple anyway
Varrack says2015-05-03T18:27:05.2665473-05:00
@TBR - Forcing a baker to cater to a gay couple is involuntary servitude, which is prohibited by the Thirteenth Amendment. There is no "equal protection" when a business owner cannot choose to cater to someone, and their rights are being trampled on.

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