If a rape victim was undecided on getting an abortion, would you tell her to

Posted by: Mathgeekjoe

  • Get the abortion

  • Don't get the abortion

24% 6 votes
76% 19 votes
  • The rapists genes shouldn't be passed down. Survival of the fittest.

    Posted by: reece
  • If she was raped and does not want the baby, she shouldnt be forced to give birth and go threw more pain and emotional truma that shes already been in.

    Posted by: Rinn
  • Adoption is a more ethical alternative. Unless the pregnancy is a legitimate threat to her life other than that an abortion would be an unnecessary waste of life.

  • I am sorry it happened. Get a gun. If you don't want the baby then you should just give the child up for adoption.

  • A rape victim should be able to get one but she shouldn't if she can physically carry the baby. The baby deserves a chance at life and that chance shouldn't be taken away because of the fathers horrible actions.

    Posted by: Dilara
  • A person is a person no matter how it was conceived.

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Dookieman says2015-04-11T15:30:33.1008693-05:00
I would tell her that the choice is up to her.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T15:31:12.6461088-05:00
She is undecided.
Philocat says2015-04-11T15:34:02.7140382-05:00
Why on earth should I tell her to have an abortion?
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T15:56:26.8465890-05:00
I would recommend it, but tell her it's ultimately her choice.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T15:56:55.1132454-05:00
Philocat, why should you tell her not to have an abortion?
Mister_Man says2015-04-11T15:59:07.2751977-05:00
I'd say it's her choice... I'd give the pros and cons in keeping and aborting the kid.
Stefy says2015-04-11T16:10:56.3114682-05:00
I agree ^
walle_ras says2015-04-11T16:11:21.8048383-05:00
She should get a gun.
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:13:38.5095445-05:00
Why a gun?
Philocat says2015-04-11T16:17:09.3938934-05:00
Why would you recommend it? @Briantheliberal I would recommend that she didn't abort the child because abortoin does not undo any of the damage, nor is it proven that it is good for the mental health of the mother. More to the point, killing the foetus is immoral.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T16:26:11.6378622-05:00
"abortoin does not undo any of the damage, nor is it proven that it is good for the mental health of the mother." - And forcing a woman to carry and give birth to her rapist's child is somehow better for her mental health? "More to the point, killing the foetus is immoral." - So you are essentially forcing your morals on the woman in question..?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T16:27:30.7242906-05:00
"And forcing a woman to carry and give birth to her rapist's child is somehow better for her mental health?" Brian, you are insulting some rape victim who gave birth.
Philocat says2015-04-11T17:08:07.0977877-05:00
I'm not saying that not-aborting would be *good* for her mental health, all I'm saying is that having an abortion isn't really going to help either; it's just a propagation of violence. Am I forcing my morals on her? I suppose I am, just as I am 'forcing my morals' on someone if I tell them not to cheat on their wife. Furthermore, the very premise of laws is forcing morals upon people, for example the law against rape is effectively forcing morality on people.
Dilara says2015-04-11T18:04:30.7440189-05:00
He's not saying he would force her to have the baby if she didn't want it but If she was undecided he would tell her to have it.
Dookieman says2015-04-11T18:24:13.3035330-05:00
I dislike when people say "don't force your morals on me," because it essentially means that they have no argument to counter what you're saying.
Episteme says2015-04-11T18:29:42.2613507-05:00
As a woman - I wouldn't want anyone to tell me to pick either choice. (Obviously, I hope this would never ever happen to me or anyone I know.) If someone did tell me what to do or even recommended what to do, I would have the nagging feeling to do the opposite. It would ultimately be my decision and I don't think I'd want any input from anyone except a medical doctor about the health of myself and this potential fetus/baby. I wouldn't care what anyone else's moral system was, it was my body and I would want control of my own body - if that means aborting the fetus, then so be it - if that means keeping it and having the child adopted by someone else so be it - and if that means I raise the child myself that would be my own choice. So, since I would like to treat others the way I want to be treated, I wouldn't tell them what to do. I would remind them that it is their body and it is their ultimate decision.
tajshar2k says2015-04-11T18:41:11.9084880-05:00
I would say No, but its her choice.
briantheliberal says2015-04-11T18:42:23.9635023-05:00
"you are insulting some rape victim who gave birth." - What the hell? Are you serious?
Mathgeekjoe says2015-04-11T18:53:21.1735700-05:00
Ad Hoc Committee of Women Pregnant by Sexual Assault, look it up.
Reeseroni says2015-04-11T20:12:18.0018670-05:00
It would be more efficient and safer to give birth to the child rather than have an abortion, possibly suffer complications from the abortion, and take some therapy classes if she wants.
reece says2015-04-11T20:20:37.7548955-05:00
@Reeseroni http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/25/why-abortion-is-less-risky-than-childbirth/
RXR says2015-04-11T21:07:24.5713797-05:00
We should abort both of them to solve the problem.
Dilara says2015-04-11T22:26:10.8799372-05:00
Reece. What would you say to a rape result like rebecca keesling? That's a very eugenicist type statement. The baby shouldn't suffer because of the fathers actions .
hmg1204 says2015-04-12T08:33:46.9025063-05:00
No don't get an abortion it's ending a life of a person who did nothing that baby didn't ask to be in this situation any more than you did so why give that baby the brutal punishment of death and before you think the baby does not feel any thing or that the baby doesn't notice well the baby does notice even in the very early stages of pregnancy the baby can feel pain. So yess it's like murdering someone who did nothing but just think about it for a second think about your whole body being ripped apart that's how much it hurts my advice would be to go on with the pregnancy give birth and put the baby up for adoption to give them a chance to be happy and have a nice life.
reece says2015-04-12T08:50:53.9667206-05:00
@Dilara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC8Q1OEeiOk has she made her living off it? "Babies" don't suffer from legal abortions. You actually mean fetus, right.
reece says2015-04-12T08:54:38.7532144-05:00
She sounds unbearable by the way, with her condescending attitude.
reece says2015-04-12T08:57:31.7434709-05:00
@hmg1204 Fetuses don't feel pain until 20 weeks in.
reece says2015-04-12T09:06:35.8480096-05:00
Please don't tell me i'll be debating idiots :/
Reeseroni says2015-04-12T09:07:51.9875429-05:00
@reece "The rapist genes shouldn't be passed down. Survival of the fittest." Are you suggesting that the rapist's parents were also rapists? This is a very assuming statement. The rapist gets his genes from his parents- so to say that his genes shouldn't be passed down because he will be eliminated through natural selection is just silly x).
reece says2015-04-12T09:20:05.7861869-05:00
@Reeseroni Nope.You would have to assume i was applying that. Gene traits get stronger in the right environment (epigenetics) and eliminating one link of potentially harmful genes would make society stronger as a hole. Genes carry abusive faults.
reece says2015-04-12T09:25:45.3561008-05:00
@Reeseroni "so to say that his genes shouldn't be passed down because he will be eliminated through natural selection." what do you mean? Your sentence doesn't make sense?
reece says2015-04-12T09:29:16.9348319-05:00
Whole*
Reeseroni says2015-04-12T09:34:50.3004209-05:00
@reece I just woke up. Do not expect great grammar from me right now x). Anyways, what I mean is that- you say "survival of the fittest" should be the reason of why she should get the abortion. Survival of the fittest is the same thing as natural selection. What I meant, was that it seems strange to suggest that this man's genes are unfit to be passed on through life. It is not the fault of his genes that he is a rapist. He was most likely self-conscious or depressed, and thought that rape was his only option. He may have also just been looking to screw up a woman's life. We can never truly know, but to suggest that his genes shouldn't be passed down is silly, because genes do not denote how a person will act in life- they will decide your appearance, stature, etc.... Anyways, if he was to have a child that never meets him, it would have no effect on his behavior to the effect of him being a rapist later on in life. It may make him feel unloved or unwanted at the thought of him being the result of rape- but it would be a waste of a life to have an abortion on him. Maybe when he would get older, he could create a foster service for children who are the product of rape. We would never know what he could do if he was just aborted. (This whole spiel is under the assumption that the child would be a boy).
reece says2015-04-12T09:51:53.7403245-05:00
@Reeseroni It doesn't matter that he didn't pick his genes and also doesn't matter if he was self-conscious/depressed or he was wanting to screw up a women life. For the most of the second half of your paragraph, You need to make my epigenetic argument void to be credible in that sense. Females can rape and pretty much be abusive too. Many genes of a rapists DNA can be active like the Warrior Gene for example. Cutting that link would be worth it because it would stop many, many people from being potentially hurt from all the generations from that one rapist.

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