If it required an additional 300 billion in tax dollars per year to eliminate abortion, would you be willing to pay for it?

Posted by: TBR

  • Yes

  • No

47% 7 votes
53% 8 votes
  • In the long run, it would pay for itself.

  • As long as abortions remained legal and accessible.

    Posted by: Stefy
  • I'm not sure what that means. Paying for birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies, paying for pro life houses where women experiencing a crisis pregnancy could live until they found a job and a house or family that would adopt the kid would be ok. Every year in America 1 million babies aborted. Saving 1 million lives a year is worth 300billion tax dollars.

    Posted by: Dilara
  • If you mean the cost involved to jail offenders then sure. We cannot dodge the consequences of our actions. We should not give up our morality just because it costs a little more to preserve it. Our society would suffer worse from not penalizing killers than it would from saving a little money and letting them roam free.

  • In my country and province (Canada), abortion is completely free to any woman who wants one. All a woman has to do is walk into a hospital or clinic off the street - no counseling, doctor's referral or appointment need - no questions asked. As a man, I believe that it is a good use of my hard earned tax dollars and a worthy cause. For all the horrified zealot Christians on DDO, don't worry; the abortion rates in Canada have been dropping year after year consistently despite our "Liberal" policies.

  • Why would I pay to prevent somebody from doing something that they had to do?

  • People shouldn't even consider eliminating abortion.

  • abortion is fine

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heil40 says2015-04-13T20:20:19.1310397-05:00
Only for racially undesirables
Daktoria says2015-04-13T21:16:31.2992542-05:00
Abortion isn't a problem you can solve by throwing money at it... ...But still $1,000 per citizen in the U.S. is pretty cheap when you think about it. If there was some social program that could be spent on to get that done, it would be an option to consider.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:20:13.0333900-05:00
@Daktoria - This is the money it would cost. If you have the additional children, this is what it would cost.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:21:30.2559971-05:00
Actually, I have been kicking around numbers for a couple days, and this is LOW. The additional load to taxes would be very harsh, and grow year-over-year for at least 18 years.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:33:34.2027826-05:00
You should also note that there are ~120 million taxpayers in the US.
Dilara says2015-04-13T21:40:04.5696754-05:00
TBR where did you get that number? 300 billion extra? And where did you get the number 120 million for tax payers?.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:42:29.6780848-05:00
Well, there are about 120m tax paying US citizens https://www.Google.Com/search?Q=median&rlz=1C1SNNT_enUS460US460&oq=median&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.309j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=how+many+tax+paying+citizens+in+the+us
TBR says2015-04-13T21:43:23.3410528-05:00
As for costs, I have been looking for a couple days. Lets just start with delivery costs. Current averages for delivery costs range between 8k-12k without complications, not including prenatal costs. Adding 10 billion annually is just the tip of the iceberg.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:43:48.3629716-05:00
First year these children reach school age, add approximately $15 billion to education. The next year at 15 followed by 15 etc. until you reach an additional $187 billion annually added to the education budget.
TBR says2015-04-13T21:44:55.4416816-05:00
Add an additional 20% to HUD, WICK, SNAP, DHS and you can see, we are talking some real numbers.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T10:05:05.3406429-05:00
@TBR Its not the children you should be scared about. Its the mentality that you can make children and have no responsibility for them that you're actually concerned with here. There are ways to rectify that issue on the back end. Preemptive killing should not be the way to solve this issue.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T10:08:00.9204664-05:00
If you support preemptive killing, we could just as easily rid ourselves of these added costs by removing people with no integrity or responsibility for their actions from society altogether. Expand the issuance of the death penalty to include adults prone to making these types of 'mistakes' in the first place.
TBR says2015-04-14T10:24:05.9716978-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - I am only discussing the economic reality's. This would be a low estimate for that impact.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T10:26:51.8675170-05:00
Were it an overnight change and left only to the abortion factor, it might impact us like that. Over the course of several years and with equal reform on the side of welfare, you might see very different cost figures.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T10:30:09.0358182-05:00
Are you trying to say we are beyond the cost threshold that would allow us to go back? Or are you just asking if people would be willing to pay the cost monetarily to get back to our morals? Its a good question for you to ask if youre trying to test the moral fortitude of the people on this site.
CyberConor says2015-04-14T14:11:50.9868409-05:00
Hold Up, Why should Tax Dollars get involved. Eliminate Welfare, if a women spreads her legs, be prepared to raise a child.
Varrack says2015-04-14T14:20:57.2954136-05:00
Don't tax dollars already fund abortions? Wouldn't there be less taxes because of the lack of abortionists and clinics running?
TBR says2015-04-14T14:24:09.1717236-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality "Were it an overnight change and left only to the abortion factor, it might impact us like that. Over the course of several years and with equal reform on the side of welfare, you might see very different cost figures." The costs would go UP year over year, as there are more of the childeren NOT aborted in the system.
TBR says2015-04-14T14:25:47.3020908-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality - "Are you trying to say we are beyond the cost threshold that would allow us to go back?" No, only facing realities, are pro-life willing to support the costs. "Or are you just asking if people would be willing to pay the cost monetarily to get back to our morals?" - If you want to put it that way, it changes little. "Its a good question for you to ask if youre trying to test the moral fortitude of the people on this site." - I am asking if pro-life has the moral fortitude to act with TOTAL support.
TBR says2015-04-14T14:26:42.8153147-05:00
@CyberConor "Hold Up, Why should Tax Dollars get involved. Eliminate Welfare, if a women spreads her legs, be prepared to raise a child." - So this is a vote for let the children starve, go without medical care, and homeless. Got it. Do you see there is a real cost regardless?
Dilara says2015-04-14T14:27:12.9627817-05:00
Cludwig. You guys have tax payed funded abortions? Isn't that cruel. What if someone know opposed to it. And aren't you pushing your pro choice views on pro life people similar to when pro life People push their view on pro choice people by creating anti abortion laws? Sorry but I'm not funding any abortions. I didn't make you open your legs and it's not my problem to fix.
TBR says2015-04-14T14:27:50.5018023-05:00
@Varrack - "Don't tax dollars already fund abortions?" Very little. "Wouldn't there be less taxes because of the lack of abortionists and clinics running?" what about all the other more expensive things I have mentioned? How about just the costs of births. Birth is 10x the cost of an abortion. Add ~10b per year for that.
TBR says2015-04-14T14:33:19.9035324-05:00
@Dilara - "Sorry but I'm not funding any abortions. I didn't make you open your legs and it's not my problem to fix." Right, then you have to fund this stuff. Get it?
Dilara says2015-04-14T14:34:34.5712185-05:00
Women can pay for their abortions with their own money or donation money. Not my money.
TBR says2015-04-14T14:36:22.6879966-05:00
Dilara - "Women can pay for their abortions with their own money or donation money. Not my money." Fine. That is FINE in a system where it is legal. If you want it banned, or reduce abortion, you will need to face these costs. Are you willing to support the additional funding necessary?
TBR says2015-04-14T14:43:59.6086424-05:00
@Dilara - Or anyone. Aside from wishful thinking, do any of you disagree that complete elimination of abortion WOULD have a substantial impact on the budgets necessary to care for the unwanted children? I know FreedomBeforeEquality has a unique take on this (completely unworkable and insane, but different).
cludwig says2015-04-14T16:50:56.3099523-05:00
@Dilara, yes abortions are fully covered by the taxpayer under our MSP (Medical Services Plan). There are no costs or conditions assigned to a woman who chooses to have an abortion. As for your second question - I did not push my pro-choice views on other Canadians who are pro-life as I personally had no involvement in the creation of these laws/policies. Lastly, if a Canadian is opposed to abortion they are free to express their opinions. The question of abortion was decided in the courts in the late 1980's. Now, even someone who is pro choice must still fund abortions with their tax dollars whether they like it or not. I'm sure the U.S. will come around, even if it take another 50 or 100 years....
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-14T17:42:42.5846151-05:00
"The costs would go UP year over year, as there are more of the childeren NOT aborted in the system." There would be no net increase. We are talking about shifting the burden from all taxpayers to the parents. There will still be money flowing in and it will be proportional to the parents paying in. For every child not aborted ... There are two parents being held responsible and paying in. Wheres the deficit in that model? If there is one due to a few circumstances of missing parents, how can that amount not be made up on the rest of the parents dime?
Dilara says2015-04-14T19:25:23.2975219-05:00
Cludwig. But women who get abortions are forcing their views on pro life people right? And so they can't turn around and say to a Canadian pro lifer "don't push your views on me" when talking about anti abortion laws. And here we have freedom or religion and since abortion is against many peoples religions they shouldn't be forced to pay for it. It's also plain cruel to force someone who was almost aborted, had an abortion they regret or simply opposes it to pay for it.
Dilara says2015-04-14T19:27:38.0043768-05:00
And TBR. I believe there should be exceptions based on how the child was conceived, the socio economic status of the family and the health of the mom. One day maybe America will not allow any elective abortions but as of right now banning all abortions seems unrealistic.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-15T14:38:13.9060768-05:00
"there should be exceptions based on how the child was conceived, the socio economic status of the family" So killing for comfort then? Killing so that you can continue on with your education and live your dream of success? Im sure everyone wishes they could just buy a second chance so easily. I don't see any way socio economic status privileges in the matter could help anything. Your asking for specific laws protecting the right to kill for a select group of people? People who are more likely to commit the act? What sense does that make?
Dilara says2015-04-15T20:06:00.9044480-05:00
It's a start
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-04-16T06:45:45.8939693-05:00
I still don't know that id trust them with the privilege to kill. That just doesn't seem like a road we should go down. (even though we are already walking it)

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