If there were people in the world who had superhuman abilities (like in X-Men) and the government wanted to pass a registration act, would you support it?

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FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-15T12:42:29.7507464-05:00
"It would be the same thing as forcing Jews to register: wrong. " Jews choose to be Jewish though. Being Jewish in itself does not make you any more dangerous than a normal human being. Being a mutant would. Also by definition they are non-human if they are mutant and as such are not entitled to the same freedoms as humans.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T13:18:27.2176331-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality I think to say mutants are dangerous is unfair. After all a gun in the hands of a mentally ill person or the wrong person driving a car can be dangerous. Does having a superhuman ability automatically mean you have no individual rights? Which freedoms would humans have but not mutants?
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-15T15:00:48.6267371-05:00
Well to be clear ... Some mutants have the ability to contain nuclear forces within their bodies to release at their whim, change matter, or mentally possess others. Omega and Alpha class types are not comparable to a man with a gun ... They are comparable to a hostile nation with nukes. I dont know how you differentiate 'who's holding' without some sort of registration and monitoring.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-15T15:03:05.9407343-05:00
If there were some way to keep your power in check from ruling over the rest of humanity ... Then I suppose you could be given the opportunity to be socially responsible on your own. As it stands, we'd have no protection against a person like that. We'd have reason to fear them.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T15:15:47.2040171-05:00
Well, just because someone has the ability to do something does not necessarily mean they will. Plus, it might not end at registration. Slippery slope; compulsory identification would lead to imprisonment, experimentation and most likely genocide. That's how it happened with Jews during the Holocaust.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-15T15:18:35.0164442-05:00
Well I'm just saying normally I wouldnt feel that way (threatened by another) because we have the capability to defend against it. Mutants have no such restraint. They can literally be violating without you even knowing it, without anyone knowing it. They arent even in the same class of being as us.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-15T15:20:02.9178206-05:00
You are sorely underestimating them by comparing them to a human at all. Their appearance as a human should not warrant them human treatment. There is much more substantial things about them that make them what they are. Those should take precedence.
58539672 says2015-06-15T15:52:50.4027701-05:00
@ladiesman That slippery slope concept is a valid concern, but if the government does not take some form of measure to at least monitor these mutants, the people themselves (who at this point feel that their government isn't protecting them) will take matters into their own hands. The second a mutant commits a crime with their powers or causes even the least bit of damage, the people will fear them even more and demand that something be done about it. If this anger and fear continues to grow and feaster, it would not be uncommon to see lynch mobs and vigilantly justice being preformed against those mutants simply for being different. Having a registration act will be enough to appease the mob (or at least a majority) and still protect the mutants from imprisonment and genocide. Its not a perfect solution, but their is no perfect solution.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T15:53:18.3460117-05:00
So would it be morally permissible to treat superhumans as second-class citizens simply because they can do things that other people can't?
58539672 says2015-06-15T15:56:59.0559518-05:00
Whats the alternative? If you can think of a solution that both doesn't infringe upon their freedoms and keep the general populace feeling safe and secure, Im all ears.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T16:20:09.9179936-05:00
Registration might make the general populace feel safe, but it would infringe on mutants' liberties. If they were registered, they would be treated like sex offenders.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T16:45:43.5585292-05:00
My solution is unless a superhuman used his/her powers to intentionally harm a person or group, we should leave them alone.
58539672 says2015-06-15T17:01:51.7871623-05:00
And once a mutant does cause harm (whether the government deals with the individual or not) the general populace will demand that steps be taken to reduce the likelihood of another incident occurring. People want prevention, not justice for crimes committed. Its the same thing with terror attacks. As more and more incidents like these occur, the situation that I described earlier is more likely to happen. You can keep the general populace complacent or you can protect these super humans rights, but you can't do both with realistic results.
ladiesman says2015-06-15T17:07:24.9900182-05:00
@FreedomBeforeEquality In response to what you said about being violated without knowing it, computer hackers could also be violating others without people knowing. But does that mean every person who has hacking skills should be imprisoned?
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FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-16T13:05:43.8339388-05:00
"does that mean every person who has hacking skills should be imprisoned?" Hacking some dollars from a bank account isnt the same as potentially being able to mind control a national figurehead without the peoples knowledge of it. Just possessing that ability undermines the very structure of society that you would enact to be able to defend against it. You cant even condemn a mutant to prison for his crimes if he can just possess the judge. Ones that have the ability to completely undermine the system single handed are markedly more of a threat than any hacker could claim to be.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-16T13:08:50.1217167-05:00
You have some comfort in knowing humans are at a comparable level to you. You have the same potential capabilities of another person as it stands now. Mutants are different. You have zero security at that point. What of mutants like wolverine? How can you effectively give him a sentence for his crimes. 25 years is nothing to him. A comparable human being can be punished for offenses like that ... He cannot.
Preston says2015-06-16T13:09:58.0840598-05:00
@ladiesman @THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD!!! HACKING IS CODING, as opposed to scripting, YOU SHOULD STOP USING THIS TERM WITH NEGATIVE CONNOTATION!!!! "Hacking : to write computer programs for enjoyment[http://www.Merriam-webster.Com/dictionary/hack]" And guess what, you are put on several lists if you are caught or found to be learning how to penetrate system's securities, or even program.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-16T14:08:13.8513342-05:00
Even if you were able to discover what they had done they could never be held accountable for it in any effective manner, not applying equality to humans or human punishment to them. We can't very well punish someone differently if youre going to say they have the same rights as humans ... But to them your punishment means very little. They would have to be punished case by case based on their powers ... If that were even possible.
ladiesman says2015-06-16T17:49:40.8264838-05:00
Power-potential sounds like a legitimate concern, but in there is beneficial potential in powers that mutants have.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-17T08:09:13.4141110-05:00
Won't know one way or the other without some type of gauging and registration system.
ladiesman says2015-06-17T12:21:14.1920896-05:00
To be more specific, there is potential for altruism in mutant powers.
TheHappyReaper says2015-06-17T14:11:38.7393496-05:00
I feel that there should be a scale when dealing with mutants. If they are strong enough to destroy whole cities, then they should be watched. However, if they can move coffee cups with their minds, the government would just be wasting money watching them.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-17T14:28:28.3548976-05:00
Thing is ... They all grow into their powers. You could look at them as children and only guess at their potential. Moving coffee cups is just a start. All of them started relatively small, and they all mature into their powers at different rates. Im not sure what the timeframe would be that you'd decide its time to gauge them on their abilities for registration.
emporer1 says2015-06-17T16:48:09.2231465-05:00
Only people who have played infamous second son are going to understand this reference but here goes. Send them all to Kurden Kay. The powerful ones at least. Who knows how many of them will turn to crime and ruin whole countries. (Again infamous reference) Send in the DUP. :)
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-18T09:08:08.3767743-05:00
Oh you brought forward an interesting thought. We don't seem to want to measure a persons tendancy towards violence based on video games ... But for a mutant it could be different. If you geared the game towards the character having the potential for power similar to the mutant playing the game ... And watched how they played, what they strove for, what decisions they made ... You might be able to make a determination about what they would do if they grew into their powers and were above everyone else like that. If all the fantasy of the game came true ... Why would we expect them to be any different a person outside of it? I don't think it works so much with humans because (GTA for example) we aren't ever outside the law, can procure health/guns/cars with such ease, and cannot resurrect when killed. If you tested a mutant that actually had the potential for some fantasy type abilities ... The testing could be much more applicable.
FreedomBeforeEquality says2015-06-18T09:09:17.4609312-05:00
Oh you brought forward an interesting thought. We don't seem to want to measure a persons tendency towards violence based on video games ... But for a mutant it could be different. If you geared the game towards the character having the potential for power similar to the mutant playing the game ... And watched how they played, what they strove for, what decisions they made ... You might be able to make a determination about what they would do if they grew into their powers and were above everyone else like that. If all the fantasy of the game came true ... Why would we expect them to be any different a person outside of it? I don't think it works so much with humans because (GTA for example) we aren't ever outside the law, can procure health/guns/cars with such ease, and cannot resurrect when killed. If you tested a mutant that actually had the potential for some fantasy type abilities ... The testing could be much more applicable.
ladiesman says2015-07-27T14:30:22.8470077-05:00
@58539672 Back to what you said about vigilantes and registration, forcing mutants to expose themselves would only make them easier targets for vigilantes and angry mobs.

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