In which of these groups are people more likely to support, or uphold the confederate flag?

Posted by: briantheliberal

Are Republicans of today really the "Party of Lincoln" that fought against slavery and rebellion? Or is that just a ruse to deny the racism that runs rampant in the Republican Party? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/14/rainbow-flag-offensive-confederate_n_4273886.html

  • Democrats

  • Republicans

5% 1 votes
95% 21 votes
  • I guess so? It's not really an indictment on the Republican Party though. Generally, when you support one's right to be racist or say racist things (and not wanting to criminalize their behavior), you might get some of those people joining the party. It's still a minority of Republicans, and not one that shows hidden racism or much of anything really.

  • Republicans tend to have more southerners supporting them, some southern people tend to use a confederate flag as "southern pride."

  • Though the original confederates were democrats, republicans have gained the support of the south.

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briantheliberal says2015-05-23T08:17:47.8997758-05:00
Jzonda, it says a lot about the hypocrisy and tolerance of racist attitudes in the Republican Party. They still refer to themselves as the "Party of Lincoln" that fought for the union in the North, but the overwhelming majority of people waving confederate flags today call themselves Republicans, taking pride in treason, rebellion and enslavement. And with this, they also deny the Southern Strategy, even though this is pretty much proof that it occurred. The demographics of those who call themselves Democrat and Republican are now completely reversed.
triangle.128k says2015-05-23T08:19:19.8641338-05:00
That's pretty ironic considering more southerners support Republicans than they support Democrats. The south at that time was the one that was racist and had Jim Crow Laws right after Emancipation Proclamation.
triangle.128k says2015-05-23T08:19:56.3846702-05:00
Somehow the party got corrupted by religious freaks that want to limit people's personal rights.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T08:34:42.4717898-05:00
Triangle, Yes. But I have had Republicans tell me that Democrats today are the ones that support racism, slavery, and segregation, like the Democrats from 50-200+ years ago, which is ridiculous. Lincoln may have been a Republican, but the Republican party of that time is definitely not the same as the Republican Party of today. There is a reason why the demographics of the two parties are the complete opposite now, compared to before. They distort historical facts in attempt to slander the opposing side, and hide the racist attitudes that run rampant in the their party. It's also a tactic they use to deceive minorities, and persuade them specifically blacks, into voting against their best interests. Getting desperate I suppose, since they need our vote, their current party is dying off so they have to pander.
58539672 says2015-05-23T09:19:24.6329614-05:00
Under president Hoover, many left the republican party because they blamed them for the great depression. Most went over to the democrats because FDR's new deal policies which lead to a large democrat dominate US government for most of the late 20th century. Then when president Johnson (allegedly) blackmailed most southern democrats to get the Civil rights act passed, many left the party to join the Republicans. And thus everyone switched places over the course of 30-40 years.
tommytom says2015-05-23T11:52:02.8321810-05:00
Let me put it simply. The only similarity the Party of Lincoln and modern GOP today have is the name Republican Party. Back in those days, Republicans were much more "liberal" and the Democrats were much more "conservative". In the mid-late 20th century, they switched roles to what it is today; Democrats are the liberals, Republicans are the conservatives.
jzonda415 says2015-05-23T13:47:17.4610070-05:00
Brian, I don't know how it's hypocrisy, but, yeah, Republicans believe in the right to be racist and show tolerance towards those attitudes. Democrats believe in creating laws against hate speech and those who advocate for the Confederate Flag. Republicans don't, because, while a majority do disagree with what they say, myself included, they have a right to talk about it or be racist. Usually, when that happens, people like that will be more inclined to join the Republican Party. It's not telling of the demographics of the Republican Party as a whole. Moreover, there was a demographics shift, correct. I'm not denying it. Republicans from the 1860's are different than Republicans today. I mean, demographics shift constantly, so I'm not really surprised by this. I don't really accept as incontrovertible proof of the Southern Strategy though. The beliefs of both parties shifted, but claiming this is because a majority Republicans wanted to appeal to racists in the South I don't really accept.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T20:54:50.9366040-05:00
Jzonda, "Democrats believe in creating laws against hate speech and those who advocate for the Confederate Flag." - This is certainly not what I believe. I don't agree with silencing free speech and expression. That is not what liberals like myself advocate for.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T20:55:25.2262832-05:00
I do wonder though, why have all the Republican on this site completely avoided this poll?
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T20:58:23.7778085-05:00
Ya, I'm wondering the same thing... If this were some poll on illegal immigration, Mathgeekjoe would be the first one to vote and comment.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:03:47.8185197-05:00
No offense Mathgeekjoe.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:06:13.7349112-05:00
Right! I have noticed a trend of Republicans avoiding things when they are confronted with things that they overwhelmingly deny, or make excuses for, racism for example. Where is Varrack? Where is Mathgeekjoe? Where is Mister_Man? Where is FreedomBeforeEquality? Where is Wylted? Where is BasicLogic? Where is Krampus? Where is Philocat? Where is... Well you get the picture.
Varrack says2015-05-23T21:06:49.4286264-05:00
There are probably more Republicans who do support it, but that's because they are a majority in the south as opposed to democrats. I don't think I can choose the latter option though because this poll is asking about *likelihood*. If I picked out a republican and a democrat from the north however, the chance of either of them supporting the confederacy are probably the same.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:07:46.2764840-05:00
There he is! A rare Pokemon has appeared!
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:08:18.1380528-05:00
Varrack, its unlikely a Northern Democrat would support the Confederacy. Northern democrats are the more liberal ones too.
jzonda415 says2015-05-23T21:08:18.9437216-05:00
Brian, https://today.Yougov.Com/news/2015/05/20/hate-speech/ ^Around half of liberals and Democrats support a federal ban on hate speech. I am sure you probably don't, and I respect that, but all I am saying is that other liberals or Democrats have not shown themselves to be as supportive. I would also like it noted that I identify as a Republican (though I have leanings much farther right than most mainstream Republicans) and I did respond. Potentially, the reason may be because the poll comes across as one sided (at least in your description of the poll). I am of the assurance this wasn't your intention, but it may have turned other conservatives and Republicans off to the poll.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:09:47.7089501-05:00
Mister_Man is actually a liberal though.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:10:38.3840498-05:00
"If I picked out a republican and a democrat from the north however, the chance of either of them supporting the confederacy are probably the same." - LOL hilarious. I clearly didn't ask for any regional distinctions, just Republicans and Democrats in general. The answer is obvious, but you're in denial.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:12:10.0454007-05:00
Tajshark, he is actually a conservative Republican in the U.S. but in Canada they call conservatives liberals like they do in Australia for some reason.
Varrack says2015-05-23T21:13:10.2499908-05:00
Ok then. If region is not a variable, then there's no difference. @jzonda supporting one's right to free speech doesn't necessarily mean that those people are more willing to engage in offensive speech.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:13:30.4369084-05:00
Oh... I thought it was the opposite. Atleast thats what it was when I lived in Canada.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:15:20.7168910-05:00
Tajshark, yes I was confused when I found that out as well. Then again, the U.S. also switched party labels as well, multiple times.
Renegader says2015-05-23T21:16:27.2362416-05:00
Mister_man is definitely not a conservative, look at his views on his profile or his poll votes. Stop slandering people dude.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:16:30.7619320-05:00
Actually ya Brian, you have it backwards, the Conservative party in Canada would be Centrist Democrats. Liberals in Canada would be far left guys like Bernie Sanders.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:17:09.0297132-05:00
And the NDP party would probably be considered Communist here...
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:21:26.2458688-05:00
If you look at the Liberal Party platform, the leader says all members have to be pro abortion, or they cant be part of the party. Seems pretty liberal to me. http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/05/07/justin-trudeau-says-anti-abortion-candidates-cant-run-as-liberals/
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:26:43.9512544-05:00
Then why does he support Mitt Romney, a conservative Republican? That makes no sense to me. Renegader, how about you leave the poll if you can't take a little "slander" ?
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T21:30:37.7804160-05:00
Actually, I asked him about that , and he only supported him because he thinks he would have handled the economy better. I think it says on his profile.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:42:29.7788809-05:00
Romney's fiscal policies are conservative, so that would make him fiscally conservative too. Aside from that he is also socially conservative on some issues, especially on race relations. So I'd say his views are socially moderate, and fiscally conservative. So he leans right wing, not necessarily left.
Renegader says2015-05-23T21:42:39.5301310-05:00
You cry every time someone says anything about you when you cannot defend yourself, just pointing that out.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:43:50.1767672-05:00
Renegader, evidence? Why should I care what people online that I have never met have to say about me?
Renegader says2015-05-23T21:47:52.8097884-05:00
Just last week I believe. On one of the race-related polls you said no one ever "had the balls" to confront you while you were online and how they try to distort your views. You must recall writing that.
briantheliberal says2015-05-23T21:55:06.3137036-05:00
How is that crying? I was calling them out for not being courageous to confront or talk to me directly, which they do all the time. Also, what relevance does any of that have to do with this poll? You're just feeding into and accusing me of doing exactly what you do on a daily basis. I was simply asking where they were. Your obvious bias doesn't fool me.
Renegader says2015-05-23T21:57:10.8672972-05:00
Because you literally just did the same exact thing. You are being cowardly by talking sh*t about people while they are offline. I do have a bias against double standards, and I just spotted one. At least own up to it.
tajshar2k says2015-05-23T22:48:53.0196514-05:00
@Brian I must disagree. He seems pretty tolerant or races from my PM's with him. Might I ask you, what makes you think he is conservative on race relations?
Texas14 says2015-05-25T02:38:17.1421172-05:00
Neither. Why would either one support slavery. Anyone who votes for either side is making quite a statement. And @briantheliberal, you're sounding like you think that Republicans in 1860 weren't conservative. It wasn't right-left back then! There was both a radical and a conservative branch of the Republican Party. So for you to say that Democrat vs Republican is reversed I think is ignoring history because if there is little right-left concept, than how can t be reversed?

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