Is America or Iran more likey to invade another country?

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United States of America

The United States of America, commonly referred to as the United States, America, and sometimes the States, is a federal republic consisting of 50 states and a federal district. The 48 contiguous states and Washington, D.C., are in central North Ame... rica between Canada and Mexico. The state of Alaska is the northwestern part of North America and the state of Hawaii is an archipelago in the mid-Pacific. The country also has five populated and nine unpopulated territories in the Pacific and the Caribbean. At 3.80 million square miles and with around 318 million people, the United States is the world's third- or fourth-largest country by total area and third-largest by population. It is one of the world's most ethnically diverse and multicultural nations, the product of large-scale immigration from many countries. The geography and climate of the United States is also extremely diverse, and it is home to a wide variety of wildlife.Paleo-Indians migrated from Eurasia to what is now the U.S. mainland around 15,000 years ago, with European colonization beginning in the 16th century. The United States emerged from 13 British colonies located along the Atlantic seaboard   more
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Iran

Iran, also known as Persia, officially the Islamic Republic of Iran, is a country in Western Asia. It is bordered to the northwest by Armenia and Azerbaijan, with Kazakhstan and Russia across the Caspian Sea; to the northeast by Turkmenistan; to the...  east by Afghanistan and Pakistan; to the south by the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman; and to the west by Turkey and Iraq. Comprising a land area of 1,648,195 km², it is the second-largest nation in the Middle East and the 18th-largest in the world; with 78.4 million inhabitants, Iran is the world's 17th most populous nation. It is the only country that has both a Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its central location in Eurasia and Western Asia and the Strait of Hormuz.Iran is home to one of the world's oldest civilizations, beginning with the formation of the Proto-Elamite and Elamite kingdom in 3200–2800 BCE. The Iranian Medes unified the country into the first of many empires in 625 BCE, after which it became the dominant cultural and political power in the region   more
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Vox_Veritas says2015-09-26T16:17:07.3893798Z
The Iranians know that a conventional invasion of the United States would fail. Therefore, if they want to destroy us they'd use nuclear weapons.
Haroush says2015-09-26T16:43:34.7511054Z
I agree with Stargate, there is a difference between intervention and invasion. On this note, Iran is more likely to invade other countries unlike America.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-26T16:53:16.9090542Z
America had invaded more countries in the past decade than Iran had in the past century.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-26T16:53:54.1613766Z
America had invaded more countries in the past decade than Iran had in the past century.
UtherPenguin says2015-09-26T16:54:10.6815648Z
America had invaded more countries in the past decade than Iran had in the past century.
stargate says2015-09-26T17:33:26.3426349Z
Yeah but it is sort of different from completely invading the nation. We do military intervention witch is different from out right invadeing, though I will assume he meant to say that.
TBR says2015-09-26T17:37:32.9833779Z
@stargate - I may not disagree with the statement, but tell me how it is different?
stargate says2015-09-26T17:40:34.9791274Z
Military intervention definition The deliberate act of a nation or a group of nations to introduce its military forces into the course of an existing controversy. Invaded definition (of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it. Basically invadeing the nation means you are trying to gain land. So the last time we did invade an nation was spain during the spansih american war.
TBR says2015-09-26T17:43:50.2450757Z
@stargate - OK fine. Now is it substantively different the way we "subjugate" "occupy"? We may play with the semantics, but I am asking, how different is it.
TBR says2015-09-26T17:46:04.4208156Z
Or... Many people now say it was a bad choice to leave iraq. Had we stayed without consent, is that really different than subjugating? We sure were occupying, right? How long do we hold land until intervention becomes conquering?
stargate says2015-09-26T17:50:34.5272073Z
I would say 6-8 years around that time frame. Plus our goal was never to take there land the whole time they had there new government. We never gained any land in that war.
stargate says2015-09-26T17:51:47.1778044Z
***spanish***
stargate says2015-09-26T17:53:06.8485365Z
Our goal was never to gain land, it was to make the region more free and stable. We never though about taking there land for our own.
TBR says2015-09-26T17:56:59.4178089Z
Just because we don't call it "New New England - M.E." hardly makes a difference to the people, right? Look, I am not necessarily arguing that our motives are different, but asking how it actually works. Look where the U.S. has troops stationed, and it looks a lot like an empire. http://qz.com/374138/these-are-all-the-countries-where-the-us-has-a-military-presence/
TBR says2015-09-26T17:58:42.9882006Z
"it was to make the region more free and stable. " that statement is ridiculously naive.
triangle.128k says2015-09-26T18:07:44.7866196Z
@TBR I agree we have too many useless military stations, but military intervention isn't always to invade or exploit other countries. Sometimes, we give backup to allied countries. For example, we back up South Korea against the North so they don't have to waste a lot of money on the military.
TBR says2015-09-26T18:09:51.6476671Z
@triangle.128k - I am not really disagreeing, but exploring how this is really any different than occupation. South America is a good example of the US not necessarily "occupying" but completely controlling. Just because we never planted a flag changes little about the reality for a good chunk of our history.
stargate says2015-09-26T18:15:26.7375191Z
Okay yes we have tons of troops in other nations, but we pay them to allow us to be there. Also a lot of the time they want us there. Plus sometimes there isn't even that many people there, some are just drone bases. My point is we do not force ourselves upon them, they are not under our flag and they do not have to answer to us.
TBR says2015-09-26T18:22:04.9289666Z
Hum. So, paying them and protecting them changes it from occupation to... Something else? So, of Iraq had "intervened" in Kuwai, but protected them after it would be... OK?
stargate says2015-09-26T18:54:59.6419350Z
We are not forcing them it upon them. Trust me there is an difference.
TBR says2015-09-26T19:01:36.0143574Z
@stargate - First there is very little reason for me to "trust you" on this. Not because I don't like you, but because I think you are wrong. We have "forced" ourselves on lots of countries. Why do you think we brought the guns?
stargate says2015-09-26T19:13:20.7048510Z
True but we agong haven't invaded them, though I do have an question. Will the USA last in the next 100 years? Will we finnaly fall? And are we rome 2.0?
TBR says2015-09-26T19:18:03.8148362Z
@stargate - Just saying we didn't invade changes little in the reality. Panamanian sure was an invasion. || As for the longevity of the US. Virtually limitless. The answer has lots of subtitles, but I can't foresee a time where we are not whole. The south may break off (please please....) but we aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
stargate says2015-09-26T19:20:20.2993613Z
Wait you want us to? You realize that would weaken the whole nation and cause millions to die. Plus it would be unnecessary. I am not saying we never do invaded but usually we do not. It is really an grey area.
TBR says2015-09-26T19:36:30.9497392Z
"Wait you want us to?" are you talking about the south? Yea, go on now. It seems you all really want to. Shoo. No need to kill anyone, just leave quietly.
stargate says2015-09-26T19:38:31.3351675Z
I do not want to.....Plus we are not leaving.
stargate says2015-09-26T19:38:59.0249900Z
You have no idea what would happen do you?
TBR says2015-09-26T19:40:37.8201567Z
25% of your pals want to. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/secession-petitions_b_2246000.html
TBR says2015-09-26T19:41:54.0578680Z
"You have no idea what would happen do you?" - if the south seceded? Yea, I do. Very little would happen to me. Yawn...
stargate says2015-09-26T19:44:30.7128645Z
That dosn't mean we will. We are all one great nation. We must must stay untied other wise we have greater chances of falling apart in the comming decades. We can not allow ourselves to fall part and foght brother against brother state against state. We will fail if we kill each other or leave, we must stand untied as one great nation now more then ever.
stargate says2015-09-26T19:46:36.3710590Z
A civil war would happen and it would weaken the nation military and economicaly. If you want this to happen then you must never see the long term effects of anything.
TBR says2015-09-26T19:46:52.3463566Z
I think your (southern states) is a very idle threat. If, however, they ever took it seriously, there would be no need for brother fighting brother. Just GO. Leave. Shoo. Most of the country has little interest in your antics, and can do without it.
58539672 says2015-09-26T19:47:39.3488553Z
@TBR Actually, a great deal would happen to you. Take the tax revenue that the federal government gets from the Southern states and the fact that the South is one of the least dependent states when it comes to federal funding. National taxes would skyrocket without the high paying, low cost South.
58539672 says2015-09-26T19:51:31.0405701Z
If the South seceded (which is unlikely), the economic consequences would be great enough to cause another recession for both sides. It is simply better for everyone involved if they stay together.
stargate says2015-09-26T19:54:52.5002271Z
@TBR you have no idea do you.
TBR says2015-09-26T20:50:40.8864155Z
Are you KIDDING? The southern states are the taker states. Give us our money back!
tajshar2k says2015-09-26T20:51:47.1557907Z
The South (Except Texas and Florida) is useless to the United States and the world. We'd we better without them.
TBR says2015-09-26T20:53:26.1839559Z
As for "depression". Yes, undoubtly that would happen to the south. The north... Not so much. Do you guys really think that the tax base ould be the.Problem? Look anywhere, look at my link above. Aside from Texas, you guys are the top moocher states in the union
stargate says2015-09-26T20:59:25.6023084Z
You know what if you want us to leave then lets start by me ending this conversation.
TBR says2015-09-26T21:07:04.5149102Z
Sure man. South has been quitters since... Well the for time you guys tried to quit
TBR says2015-09-26T21:09:06.6319274Z
Taker states. Ouch the south hurts http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/
stargate says2015-09-26T21:18:12.0020318Z
You know we are on the same silde man, we are in the same nation. Now stop trying to divided us apart. Also dude I lived in maine the whole time I was in grade school. I once lived i the north, my parents where born from the north. Most of my family is in the north, it is just we live in georgia the south. Now stop being so closed minded.
stargate says2015-09-26T21:20:52.8536007Z
You know you need to be more open minded, also my opinion of you has gone down due to your stupidity. And lack of long term planning.
triangle.128k says2015-09-26T21:21:31.9323502Z
Maybe the south isn't as successful as the north, no doubt. However, we're still one nation and as 58539672 said, we can't afford to divide USA. It's like kicking East Europe from the EU because West Europe is more successful.
stargate says2015-09-26T21:22:32.4609622Z
At least most people understand that fact.
BadKitty says2015-09-26T21:22:51.7316828Z
Iran hasn't invaded a country in 100 years. How much more scientific empiricism do you need? 2+2 does not equal 5.
TBR says2015-09-26T22:50:28.9134033Z
@stargate - Look, I'm not backing kicking the south out, I am saying if they are bent on leaving, I am unwilling to fight for it. It sure isn't close-minded to tell you that the south is taking more than it gives in taxes, and that the tax "loss" would NOT be on the north's side. Further, it would not be a cultural loss to me - that is opinion. Regardless, the impact would be much harder on the south than the north.
stargate says2015-09-26T22:55:47.9239380Z
It would hurt the whole nation, trust me we are not leaving.
stargate says2015-09-26T22:56:49.6231245Z
There is no reason to leave, the only state that has some support forit is Texas and even that will not happen.
TBR says2015-09-26T22:58:32.4774408Z
@stargate - So you are saying only Texas has any interest in this topic.... Hang tight. Let me get some links. (hint: its not people like me telling them to go, it is people saying they want to leave)
TBR says2015-09-26T22:59:37.6383555Z
Here is a start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_state_petitions_for_secession#State_petitions
stargate says2015-09-26T23:00:47.9021727Z
They may be there but it will never happen, and if it dose then there would be war.
TBR says2015-09-26T23:01:45.8884218Z
WOW. Looking percentage wise, seems about the same across the board.
stargate says2015-09-26T23:02:06.4632691Z
Okay but there is a lot of northern states with more people wanting to leave.
TBR says2015-09-26T23:02:36.1030791Z
I agree. It will never happen. However, if it were to happen, there would be no war. Walk... We don't care.
tajshar2k says2015-09-26T23:03:30.8431282Z
Ok, sorry but I do not want the States to separate. That would be disastrous.
stargate says2015-09-26T23:06:26.1682045Z
Honestly I would support a war if that happens it is against the law.
TBR says2015-09-26T23:40:29.7789052Z
You support war for snoring too loud.
tajshar2k says2015-09-26T23:41:00.2611098Z
Who would you support?
stargate says2015-09-26T23:41:14.8875786Z
Sigh
tajshar2k says2015-09-26T23:42:18.1992102Z
South would be annihilated by the North so badly, it wouldn't even be funny.
stargate says2015-09-26T23:43:43.8704436Z
Yet the north has more people wanting to then a lot of the southern states. War would never happen. It is better to stand as one united.
tajshar2k says2015-09-26T23:44:53.3724155Z
United, not because we like the South, because it's militarily a huge disadvantage.
TBR says2015-09-26T23:56:27.8639355Z
I would envision a ton of angry southers, and a "what, what's happening? The south is leaving? OK, right, we have other issues to deal with. Tell them to have a nice day. And please tell them we take Austin Texas as our embassy.
Haroush says2015-09-26T23:58:56.6439966Z
Taj, You fricken hacked my computer you b#$%@! If my computer doesn't get restored I am going to report both you and TBR for investigation on here and I am not playing.
TBR says2015-09-27T00:00:36.2831127Z
And southern insanity pokes its nose into the conversation. What is this now @Haroush?
TBR says2015-09-27T00:01:58.3562910Z
As most likely the most technical member of this site, I simply say "what the he11 are you talking about?"
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:04:36.0597237Z
No. This is no f@#$%&$ joke someone sent me a link I clicked on it and now my computer is messed up. Go ahead and keep playing like you are stupid TBR..
TBR says2015-09-27T00:06:35.6384681Z
Send you a link... Well, that sure seems like you messed yourself up, right? Take some personal responsibility for clicking.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:07:47.2118093Z
Haroush you're fu*cking lying.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:08:04.7304970Z
I never sent a virus, it was link to the "roast of TBR'
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:09:12.5906415Z
It is one thing to not like someone because of their opinions, but to send viruses through through a link to a thread here on DDO is pathetic.
TBR says2015-09-27T00:09:16.1790390Z
@tajshar2k - Thanks man. I was hoping someone would get word to him.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:11:04.6149439Z
@Haroush I bet you did something f*cking stupid like clicking on those pop-ups and you are blaming me and TBR for the stupidest sH*t ever. I dare you to report me to Airmax. I dare you.
TBR says2015-09-27T00:11:14.3804813Z
@Haroush - Tell you what. Send me this "link" and I will infect my VM.
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:11:59.5918530Z
Yeah and you can send viruses that way too. I do know a good bit about how viruses work.
TBR says2015-09-27T00:13:21.4582667Z
Yea, but you sure seem to know how to blame people for your incompetence. Got that going for yourself.
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:15:00.6489348Z
It seems like you admitted to setting me up. Thanks a@@$%&#.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:15:40.9957728Z
Paste the link in the comments. So we all can see.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:18:52.8594003Z
@TBR Can you link the roast to TBR? I need to show it to Airmax, he wants it.
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:19:38.4122763Z
How can I if my CPU isn't working?
airmax1227 says2015-09-27T00:20:46.1972164Z
Ok Haroush, Taj and anyone else involved, you need to calm down here. Making accusations like this is a pretty serious matter. I will review the link to see if malicious intent was involved (something I don't see any evidence for yet) and if anyone else would like to discuss this, you can contact me via PM so this issue can be rectified. In the meantime, we all need to calm down.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T00:21:18.9094089Z
Wtf... Are you stupid? How are you DDO then? You don't need a CPU, you need to go to your profile comments, and copy the link. Your phone and tablet will do fine.
triangle.128k says2015-09-27T00:22:02.3715281Z
@Haroush http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=computer+processor&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Acomputer+processor
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:22:15.4292958Z
I'm typing to you all through my phone. And I don't have one of those nice phones. I have a cheap cricket phone.
triangle.128k says2015-09-27T00:23:47.3764550Z
@Haroush The cheapest phones and computers since the 90s could copy and paste.
TBR says2015-09-27T00:35:59.3141631Z
Link for roast http://www.debate.org/forums/miscellaneous/topic/74199/
Haroush says2015-09-27T00:36:21.6376200Z
You are definitely wrong there. @Triangle
TBR says2015-09-27T00:48:42.2198730Z
@Haroush - Allow me to help. I will purposely infect a VM with this "virus" if you like. Regardless, if you are taking this seriously as some sort of conspiracy... Well... I don't know what to say?
TBR says2015-09-27T00:51:32.0025847Z
Now that the Haroush virus thing is accomplished, can we move back to the first tangent?
stargate says2015-09-27T02:08:02.4418030Z
Dude run an anti virus scan, also the only real way for an virus to be on you computer would for an file to be opened/downloaded from the internet.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T02:09:55.4328787Z
He can't his "CPU" isn't working.
stargate says2015-09-27T11:37:34.6362531Z
Well that must suck.
Haroush says2015-09-27T12:30:33.0881760Z
@Stargate, I think this was a new virus because it disabled a lot of functions on my computer's operating system. It even was able to disable my antivirus program. I was done from the get go.
stargate says2015-09-27T12:57:36.0166889Z
That sounds bad, though how did it get onto the computer.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T13:42:55.0434597Z
@stargate Are you actually believing this guy?? He's lying to get me in trouble, even though the link was a forum link. Airmax already told me it wasn't a virus, so just stop talking to him because he just wants attention like an immature kid.
tajshar2k says2015-09-27T13:44:05.4156086Z
@Haroush Just stop already. I asked you to prove it, and you gave the 5 star reply which left me speechless, and now you are going on telling everybody. Why are you such a liar?
reece says2015-09-27T13:52:13.0020033Z
@Haroush you've been watching too much porn. Get help.
stargate says2015-09-27T13:58:10.5553914Z
I know I mine if it is real. Though aging tnat link thing he is saying can not happen. The only way an virus would be on your computer would be at one point something you downloaded had a virus.
stargate says2015-09-27T13:58:28.7916745Z
That
reece says2015-09-27T14:02:32.6459193Z
@stargate Not all trojans works that way. There are countless possibilities.
reece says2015-09-27T14:07:46.7423595Z
Work*
stargate says2015-09-27T16:47:34.0358433Z
Um...True.
triangle.128k says2015-09-27T17:01:50.9887478Z
Yikes, here comes shalal12.
Haroush says2015-09-27T18:59:16.3026320Z
I wouldn't be making a big deal like this if I was lying. I'm not a fan of unnecessary drama.
TBR says2015-09-27T19:20:44.8379313Z
I have asked for the link, I am willing to help. How about you give the symptom's?
58539672 says2015-09-27T22:39:54.1318902Z
If the South seceded, the most immediate result would be mass drop in GDP. The GDP would drop from 17.914 trillion to 12.812 trillion. Interest rates, employment, our debt, and even outsourcing are effected by a loss in GDP, and a sudden loss this size could have devastating results. Take the debt for instance. As of 2015, our debt is 101% of our GDP. If the South secedes, that debt will become 141% of GDP. This will cause our real interest rate (currently 1.8%, one of the lowest in the world) to go up do to fears of American economic insecurity. Massive hikes in interest rates and debt are what got places like Greece in trouble. To say that the rest of the US would be okay without the south is completely ludicrous. We are ALL better when we are together.
TBR says2015-09-30T16:50:49.3236304Z
@58539672 - A good deal of that is true. It would be painful. To say, however, that debt would remain the same is not true. If the south wants to leave, they take an appropriate share of their debt with them.
58539672 says2015-09-30T17:31:11.9770620Z
@TBR They would take there state debts, but not the federal debt. That portion of the federal debt would just be transferred from domestic debt to foreign debt. The government will still have to pay back their bills, regardless of whether it is from their country or not. Debt does not vanish just because of internal differences (unless the government decides its just not going to pay them at all for leave, which would be much, much worse).
JayRevo says2015-09-30T17:45:07.1547228Z
Intervention is just a pretty word for invasion.
JayRevo says2015-09-30T17:45:13.9531050Z
Intervention is just a pretty word for invasion.
TBR says2015-10-02T18:56:16.0890735Z
@58539672 - "They would take there state debts, but not the federal debt." Who says? If they want to leave, they take a representative chunk of federal debt. It could be worked.
58539672 says2015-10-02T21:16:51.6350578Z
@TBR Thats not how the world works. The federal debt is the debt that the federal government (Congress) owes. It was made in their name. If the South secedes, the federal government (Congress) will still exist and still have to pay its debts, regardless of who they might be owed to. For instance, when the US rebelled/seceded from the British empire, we did not take any of their debt. We accumulated our own debt within that time period, but Britain's debt (including those left over by the French and Indian war) were not passed or shared with us. You are also incorrect in your assessment in that the South wants to secede and that the federal government will allow it.
TBR says2015-10-02T21:20:36.5564160Z
@58539672 - "Thats not how the world works." - It can work in any way we choose. || "the British empire, we did not take any of their debt." That is very true. Bad deal for the brits. || ""You are also incorrect in your assessment in that the South wants to secede" There are a number of people arguing that they DO want to secede. || "and that the federal government will allow it." - And I don't deny this. I am forwarding the idea that if they would like to, I would have little problem letting them go - and I sure wouldn't fight to keep them.
58539672 says2015-10-02T22:32:59.3757798Z
@TBR "It can work in any way we choose" -Possibly, but history shows differently. Their isn't a single case of your method ever being used following a civil war or peaceful secession. || "That is very true. Bad deal for the brits." -Yes, it is. Maybe we should learn a little from there example and not make a similar mistake. || "There are a number of people arguing that they DO want to secede" -I assuming your referring to that link you posted earlier. It says that only 25% of Republicans what to secede, which is no where near a majority in any sense of the word, the state with the highest number of those petition signers (Texas) only had just over 100,000 signatures which is only .3% of there population, and was taken immediately after a lost election and an unvetted rumor in regards to it being rigged. The number has sense gone way down. What it doesn't tell you is that it was only a poll of 700 people. No Southern State wants to secede. Period.

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