• YES!

  • NO!

64% 54 votes
36% 30 votes
  • Since you used the "becoming" I'll check yes, because I think a growing segment of their members are interested in terrorizing police officers. It's a shame, because I think most of them started off with good intentions.

  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_separatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party http://fusion.net/story/188909/the-black-panthers-were-fighting-for-exactly-the-same-rights-as-black-lives-matter-protesters-new-documentary-proves/

  • I believe so, yes. Although not all of the members murder, they are using terror, on a level, to change something that we can't. We can't ever control Racial Profiling or racist cops. But what they are doing may be wrong. Not their ideas, but the execution of said ideas. But they are attacking law enforcement members, and using the phrase, "Black lives matters". They should of stayed calm, and been political to change it, not murder out of prejudice, or harm anyone.

  • They are already a terrorist group. Let's define "Terrorism" in order to prove this assertion: || FBI Definition of Domestic Terrorism; Link -- https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition || Terrorism -- "Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics: 1) Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law 2) Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping 3) Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S. || Let's break that down now item-by-item with examples of violation: 1) They insight riots against police officers, create anger and animosity against authority, promote violence against police; some individuals have even cited these promotions of violence against police by direct quote just prior to committing violent acts against police and even killing them, they place one skin color (black) above all others time and time again by getting verbally and visibly upset when people say white lives matter or all lives matter, even having the leader of the "Black Live Matter" group and other representatives go on TV and other media outlets attempting to justify to the world why "Black lives matter more than all others" (that is actually by definition, racism); they forcefully trespass and even commit assault in order to forcefully take over public speeches, debates and interviews. These items on top of others fulfill the first requirement. || 2) Coercion by way of forceful and illegal takeover of political assemblies, threats of, and actions against, including harm to police and public possessions. These and much more are followed by a ton of ridiculous demands, law changes, policy changes, law enforcement tactic changes, and more with the accompanying threat of riots, violent protests, violent actions against police and government, and much more. This fulfills the second requirement. || 3) This group is operating on all fronts strictly on domestic jurisdiction. This fulfills the 3rd and final requirement. || So, reading the above information and applying it to the provided FBI definition of domestic terrorism; you make your assumptions on whether this group is currently or is becoming, a domestic terror group.

  • There striking a cause they know so little about, they harass our hard working police force and there just becoming more and more violent and just horrible people all because some idiot child decided to bring a bb gun in public without the orange tip, which is illegal and then not expect anything to happen how stupid are you people...

  • Though "terrorist group" may be a stretch, I'll side with it (a hate or hypocritical group may be more applicable). So, the initial, underlying intentions are fine, but the methodology employed (or at least, allowed to occur within/around them) and "aesthetic only" goals of this group is atrocious. Regardless of what they stand for, I understand the slogan...if you think about it, but the common Joe is just going to take it at face value, and this will likely be interpreted as racist/biased/preferential. So BLM...bad slogan. Always address equality issues with neutrality; otherwise, it screams biases and agendas. Lastly...bad "stuff" just happens when this group is involved. Tactics are contradictory to demands...disrespectful, closed-minded, uncivil, oppressive, violent, etc. Even the demands are not well thought out, and preferences and differences ARE NOT the same as racism. Heck, I've yet seen anyone use the word "racism" or "racist" correctly...just wow...open a dictionary people. And absolutely DO NOT give in to demands just because there's a bunch of whinny, screaming people massing to force a decision. Again, agenda, they want it to "appear bad" if you don't answer and give in ASAP...just stop, think, and respond objectively, fairly, and practically...yes, you'll likely be made into a "racist monster" by the media, but the rest of American won't buy into their claims...even if the media says everyone thinks otherwise. Bulk of what media says is biased/manipulative, and we know it.

  • It promotes separatist values.

  • yes. they burned baltimore. I mean, white police kill white people too. No one hears about that, do they. you dont see whites on the streets in mobs burning down cities do you? that organization needs to chill a little.

  • Heh "Becoming" as if it isn't already.

  • Yes, Many BLM protestors assault opposing ideas with physical violence very often because they're to filled with hate and deceite, Many are on there way to become there own enemys and are basically the same as antifa.

  • They're racists, but not terrorists.

    Posted by: Bob13
  • The last time i checked, BLM still had the same goals in mind (Which have nothing to do with terroristic acts). Separatists that impart in violence shouldn't be considered part of the BLM movement.

    Posted by: reece
  • I wouldn't say "terrorist"... I'd call them a hate group. Or irrational group of bigots. Or violent and unruly misguided people with a superiority complex.

  • if BLM is a terrorist group than so is the Tea Party

  • In what world? Some of you people are so eager to slander this movement that you resort to nonsensical comparisons like this...

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reece says2015-09-09T04:32:35.0462863Z
@PetersSmith Was that for me?
TBR says2015-09-09T04:36:29.5514991Z
That so many fear the black panthers makes me wish for more black panthers.
reece says2015-09-09T04:38:50.4528308Z
@TBR Fear and ignorance often than not leads to aggression when it comes to the right-wing ideology.
PetersSmith says2015-09-09T05:01:02.8688755Z
Reece: No, I was saying that there's a chance that BLM could eventually turn into a black separatist organization, or at least an off-shoot of it could, and it could be compared to the New Black Panther organization which is classified as a hate group, and black separatism does also result in terrorist actions.
TBR says2015-09-09T05:05:59.1360719Z
Until they do, it is very unfair to lump them in the group. Christians will be on the list of hate groups someday. Does that work? No. BLM is BLM until they are something else. NOW, let me tell you about the "Red, the Green and the Blue.... WITH A KEY.... SUCKER!!!!"
TBR says2015-09-09T05:10:51.9243791Z
Reece - Watch this video. If these brothers don't scare the hell out of you... Well me neither, but they are dead serious and I love them for it. "BLACK WATCH!"
TBR says2015-09-09T05:12:28.1229645Z
Reece. If these brothers don't get the message across, no one can. Not frightened by them? Me neither. They are dead serious, and dead right. "BLACK WATCH!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN-gIzaZnys
reece says2015-09-09T05:32:10.6735667Z
@TBR Rap is not the best platform to get the message across to the "Reds", but then again, nothing is.
TBR says2015-09-09T05:47:28.8012303Z
I just love those guys so much. They were from a very short period of time of rap that I like. It was real, and real angry. I am dead sure is Professor-X ever saw me at a show he would have kicked my ass.
reece says2015-09-09T05:48:55.5493997Z
@TBR Why is that?
TBR says2015-09-09T05:57:16.4618986Z
Why what? Why do I like them? Or why would Professor-X kick my ass?
TBR says2015-09-09T06:02:54.3973557Z
Look up Gil Scott Heron. He is a... Hero. I met him, had time with him. A good story, but too long for tonight. Gil Scott was an incredible man. Masters degree from Johns Hopkins. A truly accomplished poet and scholar. He is as much responsible for early rap as... Well much more responsible than anyone I can think of. Crushing political commentary in spoken word slam poetry before either rap or slam poetry existed.
reece says2015-09-09T06:07:25.8477354Z
@TBR Sorry, i was meaning why would he kick your ass?
TBR says2015-09-09T06:16:44.7381307Z
Right. OK. Well, I guess he might not, but I would deserve it. No, seriously. I love the music, the raw rage. The message. The message is clear, and it is "f**k you white devil." If I show up in my plaid polo sneakers and a blue blazer - as I would be know to do - I would expect to get the same a$$ whooping as the black guy who shows up to a klan meeting asking for a Newport. The only real difference is, as white as I am, truth is I would stand a better chance with Prof-X than with the Klan. The Klan would beat and rape me before I even lit my Marbaro.
reece says2015-09-09T06:33:53.5439103Z
@TBR If you interpreted the song as "Raw rage" or any anger for that matter, than i think you're sorely misguided.
TBR says2015-09-09T14:04:56.7379359Z
Listen to the catalog. You will like them
TBR says2015-09-09T14:06:43.5070735Z
The song I linked to was about the "Day of outrage". A large protest in NYC. Yes, they are very angry, and they are telling everyone what they plan to do about it.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:13:23.6942409Z
Is this is? http://genius.com/X-clan-a-day-of-outrage-operation-snatchback-lyrics
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:13:44.6607753Z
Is this it* - looks like angry black people saying how evil cops are lol
TBR says2015-09-09T14:22:40.2434085Z
@Mister_Man - "Fist up to get down, always ready to step And if they hit me with that stick yo man I'll break your neck" Yea, they were very upset, and had no problem telling you about it.
TBR says2015-09-09T14:30:53.6277712Z
I got into a conversation on this site with someone asking why we never herd of police brutality before - that it was a "new thing" cooked up now for political reasons (read Obama). Seriously, that was the argument. Yes, there have been people very upset about these issues forever!
TBR says2015-09-09T14:32:36.9004332Z
The filter has eaten three responses. I give up!
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:42:28.6590265Z
Wait, someone said police brutality was a new thing cooked up by Obama? LOL
TBR says2015-09-09T14:50:42.1213897Z
@Mister_Man - Yea. It took me several posts to figure out what he was trying to get at. Basically that no one ever complained about before all these news story's. Everything was just fine!
TBR says2015-09-09T14:52:49.1998043Z
Have you seen Straight Outta Compton? Its good. (I swear, they have turned up the crazy on the filter)
TBR says2015-09-09T14:54:27.7249131Z
Juggle employee - I think I will set the filter to 'irritate the living he11 out of the users'. OK Check, no on to breaking the forums. Lots to do today.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:58:17.2428773Z
You know what, I actually kind of see what he means. Police brutality existed obviously, and was complained about obviously before Obama was in charge, but now that we've got a black president, black people feel more "comfortable" "expressing" their "displeasure" with the police "brutality" against "them." I've noticed an increase in blacks voicing their opinions about it, maybe it has something to do with Obama, as I've heard "we president now" time and time again, but it may also just be coincidence and some new strange mindset that Libtards are happy to allow.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:59:19.7282641Z
I actually haven't, my friends didn't invite me because they knew I'd be making racist jokes the whole time LOL I'll probably watch it on Netflix or download it or something when it comes out to DVD. I'm not a huge fan of movies like that but a hell of a lot of people seem to be praising it so I'll give it a shot.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T14:59:53.9937746Z
I'm gonna buy this website, how do I go about doing that? Can't seem to find any contact info for Juggle.
reece says2015-09-09T15:06:01.8893478Z
Are your friends "Libtards"?
reece says2015-09-09T15:06:13.2764718Z
Or CONservatives?
reece says2015-09-09T15:07:28.1195142Z
@TBR Sorry, i was ignorant about the context.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T15:09:14.4117264Z
Yeah a lot of my friends are libtards, and I also considered myself a libtard until I understood more about progressive ideologies. The thing with libTARDS is that they tend to "be accepting of everyone" until someone disagrees, then they insult the other person and force their beliefs on them. They FORCE equality and actively voice their displeasure with... Well, f*cking everything. I don't think I have very many conservative friends, but they seem to do the same with religion. Not my friends, just conservatives in general. However a lot are relatively laid back and cool, like most of the member son this site.
TBR says2015-09-09T15:09:28.9600211Z
@Mister_Man - There have been organized groups for a very long time. I hope that we are reaching a tipping point. I expected this summer to be a he11 of a show, but it stayed very low key. Regardless, the problem is not new, and neither is the reaction. Better video is helping more than a black president. Rodney King was the first glimice most Americans got of what Black people were talking about. Now we have that footage for every interaction. Just more time. As for buying the site, yes you can contact Juggle. I found a "contact me" on their page some time back. If you are serious, it could be a reasonable investment. If you have never dealt with tech, don't think its turn-key. Software costs money - real money. People seem to think this stuff writes itself, or that programmers really work for pizza and donuts. They don't.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T15:09:52.8025881Z
Members on* this site. I seem to get along with republicans/democrats better lel which is weird because they're practically the opposite.
TBR says2015-09-09T15:13:36.7518813Z
@reece - No problem. You should listen to more of their stuff. They were black nationalists - "Freedom or death". Some very good stuff in there.
reece says2015-09-09T15:15:07.9255123Z
@Mister_Man it's okay to be intolerant of intolerance.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T15:18:24.3846201Z
@TBR - I was expecting the same. I mean I enjoyed munching on some popcorn and watching the riots but I was expecting more of a "movement" that actually did something. Most of the protests or whatever happened didn't really make an impact on anything. I'm sure everyone recording everything will lower police brutality rates, the thing is though, these BLM people need to focus on police brutality as a whole. The racial tension is high enough as it is, and to make police brutality a "black" issue is just ridiculous and will bring the tension to a boiling point. But I agree, I'm sure some big event is going to happen soon that will kind of start a chain reaction of protests/riots or something. And regarding the site, I think I may actually do that. I have several friends who have programming degrees and have taught me several things. My main question would be what kind of profit the site is generating. It looks like it costs some money to run it, and the only real way it's generating income is through ad revenue. It'd still be nice to at least own something like this and change it up a bit to appeal more to what everyone enjoys. There's plenty of things I'd like to change, which I'm sure a lot of people would enjoy. It'd be fun, nonetheless.
Mister_Man says2015-09-09T15:21:23.3644677Z
@Reece - there's a difference between being intolerant of what you consider intolerance, and straight up forcing your ideas on everyone. I'm completely fine with being against racism, sexism, etc. But it's different when people openly force others to accept their way of life.
reece says2015-09-09T15:26:13.6511285Z
@Mister_Man It's fine to be a bigot in your own time, but not at work, Especially if your profession requires you to go against certain beliefs. Find another job if you have problem.
reece says2015-09-09T15:27:02.7914435Z
...Have a problem...*
tajshar2k says2015-09-09T20:00:45.7485008Z
" until I understood more about progressive ideologies." I'm glad I made a difference :D
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:01:10.1963134Z
@Mister_Man This site in full of intolerant members and most are posting on this poll too. I'm already considering leaving and I just got here. Who wants to play defense all the time to people who hate you, your beliefs and your way of life? It's exhausting and definitely not intellectually stimulating.
reece says2015-09-10T01:02:48.4288562Z
@Huntress Try to get into gaming if you don't like reality.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:03:13.6110778Z
Huntress: I know those feels.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:09:56.8544025Z
My life is great, in the real world. I wouldn't change too much honestly. Not that I want to be a student forever. I just figured people would be mature enough to discuss issues without resorting to such hate and negativity. If I were Irish and proud I would enjoy St. Patty's day, wear some funny t-shirts, etc., not join the KKK and persecute the non-Irish. I think people should be mature enough to live together with their differences, but that's not good enough for some people. They need to attack you and convert you, and it's been both sides much of the time, but nobody is as ruthless about it in 2015 in the US as the socialists.
reece says2015-09-10T01:12:04.5412210Z
@Huntress I was totally with you until you said "socialists"
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:13:22.0425178Z
Exactly what happened on my poll. Apparently when you do it, it's okay, but when other people do it, its considered intolerant and offensive.
reece says2015-09-10T01:13:29.5460706Z
@Huntress Did you mean social conservatives?
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:13:40.5131518Z
Huntress: Anti-theists and anti-conservatives, the ultimate hypocrites. Such as the ones who you are probably referring to, those who makes hasty generalizations and throw strawmans everywhere. Examples would be people in this comment section, those who should be simply ignored otherwise it leads to waste of time and effort (due to them being arrogant, sometimes narcissistic, and stubborn).
reece says2015-09-10T01:17:11.1029514Z
@PetersSmith Who, me? I ask a lot of questions to try to understand why people like to repress others by hiding behind their religion, etc
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:17:41.4145286Z
@tajshar2k How many times do I have to tell you that I believe in both sides of an issue being taught. In denial much about your bigotry?
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:21:33.5236683Z
@Huntress Actually, you told me like once. But it doesn't explain why you began your rant on Socialists. If I remember correctly, I don't remember saying anything offensive prior. You started it.
TBR says2015-09-10T01:22:54.7221888Z
How on earth does believing both sides make for a morally superior argument? Back on track, calling BLM on its way to becoming a terrorists organization is unnecessarily inflammatory. Saying the same of the TEA party would be the same.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:23:10.7590916Z
I don't have to remember. Just check the comment thread. I clearly was being respectful to you prior to you accusing socialists for some reason. I didn't even say anything about evolution. I said its a violation of church and state, and thats the law.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:23:30.6606834Z
Reece: That would also be called intolerance towards religion. It's a little hypocritical how you preach progressiveness and "tolerance", about not shoving beliefs down other people's throats, yet you seem to not practice what you preach.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:24:09.7552858Z
You folks have more livelier debates in the polls section than the actual debates section these day.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:24:44.6248933Z
@PeterSmith You can't expect people to be tolerant of everything. I have tried my best, but I can't tolerate practices they conduct in countries like Saudi Arabia. Its inhumane. But then again, thats my opinion.
reece says2015-09-10T01:24:47.6330570Z
@PetersSmith Like i said before " it's okay to be intolerant of intolerance."
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:24:48.5249183Z
You folks have livelier debates here than in the actual debates section these days.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:25:19.7719186Z
You folks have livelier debates here than in the actual debates section these days.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:26:39.5347262Z
Wow, triple post, first time I've seen that.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:27:24.5886814Z
Reece: That's the thing, you're not being "intolerant of intolerance", you're being intolerant of your negative generalization.
reece says2015-09-10T01:28:16.2870501Z
@Midnight1131 Don't keep submitting the same post. Just keep refreshing the page until the post shows.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:29:39.0797298Z
@PetersSmith For better or worse I go from competitive to bored. I don't think the ability to ignore is in me. I'm too intense. So it really worth it to go and put 3 or 4 people on ignore or just look for a group that's more tolerant of my thoughts and opinions? I'd imagine the latter. I like competition, but when there's no way to win it's a waste. Thanks for your understanding, PetersSmith. You seem like a really great person.
reece says2015-09-10T01:30:47.3314798Z
@PetersSmith Okay i know what you meant. I'm being intolerant via negative generalization. Can you give me an example?
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:31:01.7417107Z
@Midnight1131 I've doubled posted a couple times. The lag is atrocious. I feel you.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:32:30.9337362Z
Huntress: Whatever you feel is best. You could migrate over to the forums, which has less hyper-liberals, until the bugs are fixed in the polls (where I will start posting polls again), but if you really do feel that this isn't entertaining to you and you can't see it being entertaining, then it's your choice.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:33:01.5816789Z
Separation of church and state isn't freedom from all religious influences.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:33:35.5193922Z
The forums are great, can confirm, just stay away from the religion section.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:36:41.2109534Z
But, when you put tax money of other Americans, and subsidize religious institutions, thats violating it.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:37:58.7137406Z
Reece: How about everything you preach? Where you group "religion" as a whole into this one big category where you feel it's violent, intolerant, full of bigotry, and generally harmful to society. A logical person would conclude this is nowhere near true for all religions. And then of course you have your conservative stereotyping, where you feel they all adhere to "traditional values" and never want change, and are "bigots". However, a logical person would look at the classical liberalism scale and notice how US conservatism is very different from let's say, French conservatism. They do not wish to change the structure of society, and both "liberal and conservative parties" desire property to be privately owned and support progress, where American conservatives can even be called classical liberals. Non-classical conservatives believe society should be based on tradition, and support change that only upholds traditional values (much like Royalism). Both liberals and conservatives generally believe in liberty and private property. This could not be said for the conservatives outside of America.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:40:26.0907194Z
@Huntress That's essentially what school vouchers are doing. Why should I pay tax money for a kid to learn a belief that I do not agree with? I'm going to be tolerant here, and except that Creationism is a viable alternative to Evolution. Tell me, why should I pay taxes for it?
reece says2015-09-10T01:42:22.8888770Z
@PetersSmith I'm just going to comment to the first thing you said. I say intolerance, hate, etc thrives in a LOT of religions. I've said before that i respect some religions.
TBR says2015-09-10T01:42:43.5590095Z
Separation between reality (science) and mysticism (religion) is prudent regardless the setting. This attempt to mash the square peg into the round hole that the uber religious have been on is nonsensical
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:44:05.5415462Z
Reece: You respect religions that abide by your beliefs, which apparently only include non-theistic religions. A "few" out of over 5,000 is not tolerance.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:44:14.2579909Z
@reece No, I am somewhat socially conservative, but I don't feel the need to convert everybody else. However, I'm going to defend my right to my beliefs. Like Mister_Man and I joked, I'd be fine to let the socialists have say Michigan or some place. You live how you like there and you let us live like we want and always have here in Texas. When you encroach then there's a problem.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T01:46:26.4532383Z
You seem pretty set on hatred of people that subscribe to nothing more but to different economic policies than you.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:47:08.2303061Z
And why should someone who believes in creationism pay for other people's children to learn evolution? Why am I even typing this? You're not stupid. You know this. You just don't care, because it's not what you believe.
reece says2015-09-10T01:47:40.7253144Z
@PetersSmith I'm tolerant if the people in those religions of tolerant of others.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T01:48:55.2253738Z
Midnight1131: And there's reason behind economic intolerance, such as when it comes to communism.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:49:39.7021142Z
Because, the founding fathers have already told us that religious doesn't mix into government. By the government subsidizing private schools, they are breaking a cardinal rule.
reece says2015-09-10T01:49:43.9193041Z
@PetersSmith When it comes down to it, tolerance and intolerance is about basic reasoning.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:49:52.9985623Z
@Midnight1131 Thanks for the advice too. I might do just that. I already figured avoiding the religion section is smart idea. Haha It'd be that way on just about every forum I imagine, even Christian sites.
Huntress says2015-09-10T01:53:45.2528511Z
Socialism is a method of tempering people into Communism. It's hardly an end game.
TBR says2015-09-10T01:54:36.2183778Z
@Huntress - Society gives a wide berth to religion. No taxes make it so we all are chipping a little for religious teaching. All that's happening in the case of schools is, we are all agreeing that science should be science. NNo matter how hard some try to try to make it "appear" to be science, creation is religious matter. Keep it in your own church (and thank a taxpayer).
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T01:55:38.8545230Z
Ok, I don't care if you believe in creationism. As long as you are pushing it on me, I simply do not care. Both are theories, but the difference is Evolution has more evidence for it. Thats why we elect officials in the government to make the right calls and establish a curriculum. Since evolution is vastly approved by scientists with proof, it is taught in public schools. Everybody pays taxes, toward the public sector. Thats why everybody pays towards it. Regarding your disagreements, If you feel your faith is correct, and you want your child to learn creationism, you have the option to go to private schools. No "socialist" is forcing you to stay and learn evolution. If you want to go to a private school you better pay for it with your own money.
reece says2015-09-10T02:00:04.6628832Z
@PetersSmith You supporting religions such as Christianity is the same as G man (a black youtuber) supporting slavery in the bible.
Huntress says2015-09-10T02:00:29.9506453Z
We're all agreeing? No, we're not. We don't. That's why it's an issue. Some people are dissatisfied with the status quo.
reece says2015-09-10T02:03:13.5488940Z
@Huntress The status quo of moral progress? Yeah, that would be conservatives.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:03:19.2847286Z
Reece: That is probably one of the worst comparisons I've seen in about 2-3 months.
reece says2015-09-10T02:04:04.4988206Z
@PetersSmith You're gay aren't you?
TBR says2015-09-10T02:05:01.6887872Z
I did not mean YOU were agreeing. I could have worded it differently. Everyone that is rational is agreeing that science classes are for science. Does that work better? And I mean rational. Religion is irrational. Not a slight, just accuracy.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:07:53.4149574Z
Reece: Read "favorable views": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_homosexuality
reece says2015-09-10T02:13:15.4943526Z
@PetersSmith it's not the modern interpretations of it, It's also about the religion itself and the history. Only if you could see how contradictory it all looks. Well, that's probably why you made up your own religion that possibly defies reality even more.
reece says2015-09-10T02:13:40.1893109Z
It's not just...*
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:14:32.0675790Z
Reece: If you're still making the same conclusions then you're not being very open-minded now that the alternative view has been posed to you.
Huntress says2015-09-10T02:16:07.4016234Z
So people who disagree with you are irrational? Little full ourselves, huh? But I'm done with the polls section. So feel free to enjoy your hate and discussing how to steal my family's money for your RATIONAL beliefs while eradicating ours without me disturbing you.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:18:45.1244656Z
I think you keep forgetting what the constitution says, but ok whatever.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T02:19:01.4109700Z
The flame war rages on!
reece says2015-09-10T02:19:08.5246156Z
@PetersSmith You're assuming your argument has weight. Are you going to respond to what i said or just say i'm not open minded enough?
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:20:50.4708814Z
Reece: I'm pretty sure I did respond to what you said, last time I checked. But of course, New Atheists and anti-theists such as yourself refuse to be reasoned with.
TBR says2015-09-10T02:22:52.8852538Z
@Huntress - Just read it again. Religion is irrational in the strictest sense. Supernatural is... Outside nature and therefore irrational. It may be true, there may be a God, but my word choice works fine.
reece says2015-09-10T02:23:15.2245970Z
@PetersSmith Coming from the person that made up her own fairy tale.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:23:25.1956486Z
I don't want to steal your family's money. I'm not the only one being benefitted by this. This is public taxes everybody has to pay toward a something that the public has access to.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:24:59.9836790Z
Reece: Yes, I'm creative enough to write my own fairytale, which I found fun. I don't see how that makes me a hypocrite.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:25:44.9284314Z
Now, thats pretty offensive, you went from saying socialists spit on their ancestors, to accusing me of stealing your families money. So much for you talking about being attacked. You lost all credibility from that post.
reece says2015-09-10T02:27:18.6953577Z
@PetersSmith "Fairy tale" as in religion. You can't talk to me about reasoning.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T02:27:38.5929458Z
You should all participate in a team debate.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:29:13.9113898Z
Reece: So because I developed my own religion that automatically disqualifies me from talking about reasoning? Fair enough.
reece says2015-09-10T02:31:36.5146462Z
@PetersSmith Your reason compass is broken.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T02:31:45.6720810Z
@PetersSmith Does your religion state that men are sex-hungry, violent and uncivilized pigs? While women are super-intelligent and superior?
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:34:22.4873018Z
Triangle.128k: No, for the men part that's just in human nature, and for the women part that's a strawman of my ideological, not religious, views.
Huntress says2015-09-10T02:34:49.4914474Z
Sorry, PetersSmith. I kind of feel I got your dragged into this hate fest of suppressed teen angst. Right now, I'm believing in female superiority as well.
reece says2015-09-10T02:36:10.9863698Z
Nah, she loves it.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:37:21.4550906Z
Huntress: Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein F├╝hrer; arbeit macht frei.
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:37:58.0848298Z
Reece: Please do not start with the sexual harassment again.
reece says2015-09-10T02:40:31.2428381Z
WTF? Really?
reece says2015-09-10T02:43:38.7872403Z
@PetersSmith Anyway, what did you mean by that other post?
PetersSmith says2015-09-10T02:44:58.0787986Z
Reece: Yes, really. The other post was not directed towards you and it's none of your business.
TBR says2015-09-10T02:46:58.9053231Z
@Huntress - For what it's worth, I have yet to see you defend one position - instead hurling of "socialists" as a negative epithet, but little in direct defence of any point. PeterSmith is a National Socialist (sans killing the Jews), but you seem to be getting along with her. Perhaps you should try to make some sense of your points before getting all huffy.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T02:47:40.0115866Z
@Huntress Right now, i'm believing in Asian supremacy. These pathetic whites do nothing but argue and flame each other, look at the comments on how you subhuman whites keep arguing.
reece says2015-09-10T02:48:25.8758806Z
@PetersSmith Our environment is our business. I agree with one empire but not one dictator. Hmm work is subjective.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T02:50:48.2891935Z
Now what idiot starts believing in female supremacy after one flamewar in the polls section... Generalization to the max.
reece says2015-09-10T02:51:47.6943743Z
@triangle.128k You know the chines run people over on purpose after they accidentally hit them, sometime repeatedly until you can't touch them.
reece says2015-09-10T02:52:10.1741184Z
reece says2015-09-10T02:52:46.4131507Z
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:54:01.3471282Z
PetersSmith Jesus Christ, You just turned a Donald Trump supporter into a feminist?? Damn, you are very dangerous.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T02:54:30.1850159Z
"Suppressed teen angst." Today I learned huntress things ever teen that argues for an opinion in a way she doesn't like is doing so because of their age.
Huntress says2015-09-10T02:55:43.6389510Z
Sorry, PetersSmith, I'm going to say goodbye to a friend to two here and I'm leaving the site. Thanks again.
reece says2015-09-10T02:56:24.6741498Z
@tajshar2k A conservative mind is a weak mind. I'm not surprised.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:57:11.6720082Z
Make sure you set up a barbed fence, so I don't steal your families money.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T02:57:48.4577514Z
Well, sucks that the first thing you did on the site was join a polls section flamewar.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T02:58:06.1486050Z
Reece, Well, today's conservative used to be yesterday's liberal.
TBR says2015-09-10T02:58:20.5984929Z
@triangle.128k - Perhaps you should do a poll on who is taller. Chinese men, or American women.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T02:59:37.6605514Z
@TBR huh?
TBR says2015-09-10T03:02:21.4484368Z
The "goodbye" post was obviously for everyone else, not PetersSmith. If that were the case, she would have said goodbye to her along with the "other friends" privately. I have no need for the "tragic drama goodbye". Its enough to just stop posting.
reece says2015-09-10T03:03:16.6883909Z
@tajshar2k The names may shift but the motivation stays the same.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-10T03:03:29.9172757Z
I think the moral of the story is keep new members away from the polls section flamewars until they're ready for it. Oh well, next time.
TBR says2015-09-10T03:03:52.8050934Z
@triangle.128k - Though you were test-driving an Asian superiority thesis.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T03:05:19.5901186Z
@TBR I was trolling in response to Huntress's female supremacy statement.
TBR says2015-09-10T03:05:34.0004711Z
I so don't see this as a "flamewar". Discussion is what it is. If she wants the echo chamber, there are more than enough sites that fit that description.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T03:05:46.1217488Z
@TBR I was just trolling in response to Huntress's female supremacy comments.
triangle.128k says2015-09-10T03:06:07.6654869Z
Stupid lag.
TBR says2015-09-10T03:06:36.2816850Z
@triangle.128k - I know, and I was just poking you back.
TBR says2015-09-10T03:10:08.9054333Z
I just received a very nice personal goodbye from Huntress. She will be missed...
reece says2015-09-10T03:12:06.2025852Z
@TBR I won't miss her. Good riddance.
Huntress says2015-09-10T03:14:35.6507762Z
Ditto. At least TBR was entertaining.
reece says2015-09-10T03:15:42.3419707Z
@Huntress OH 0.O
Mister_Man says2015-09-10T15:54:39.1826391Z
F*ck you guys I missed the show
TBR says2015-09-10T15:56:57.3371247Z
@Mister_Man - There is always more show.
Mister_Man says2015-09-10T15:58:12.7168079Z
Hey yeah where the hell is BrianTheLiberal, he would have made this even better.
reece says2015-09-10T15:59:13.6324195Z
I'm here 7 days a week.
Mister_Man says2015-09-10T16:05:04.8870500Z
Not enough.
reece says2015-09-10T16:07:32.1588019Z
Well a day is 24 hours, sooooo?
reece says2015-09-10T16:08:40.5428324Z
Actually 23:56 if i remember correctly.
tajshar2k says2015-09-10T16:12:46.4316086Z
Mister_Man A whole world war occured. It ended with Petersmith turning a Donald Trump supporter into a feminist.
Mister_Man says2015-09-10T16:19:19.3045270Z
I'd go as far to say Huntress and I were becoming friends at the time she left last night, so I actually find it unfortunate that she left this way (at all). I can tell she was most likely (hopefully) being sarcastic about the "female superiority" part, however I wouldn't say the same about Peters. If she was being serious though then sweet Christ on a cracker, I'd have to give PetersSmith an awkward, regretful, uneasy fist bump for that.
reece says2015-09-10T17:03:01.9621388Z
@TBR I made a poll devoted to her remembrance.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-10T23:10:43.4231404Z
Want to learn about the definition of "Irony"? || Irony -- The "Black Lives Matter" group doing what they are doing (claiming to fight racism and a perceived racist legal system) with bully tactics, breaking the law, violence, threats, insighting riots, coercion, etc. All of this while getting angry and lashing out every time someone says "Black lives matter, white lives matter, Hispanic lives matter, police lives matter, all lives matter."; or any iteration of that statement. Presenting themselves, their views, their ideologies, their beliefs, etc. making it appear, and presenting to the world as though black men, women and children are more important than any other race or group of people. || So, the group that is claiming to be fighting against racism and senseless violence; is unquestionably displaying racist and senseless violent tactics and actions. || So not only is this ironic, it is DOUBLE ironic.
Haroush says2015-09-10T23:23:21.1667977Z
You are going to let a bunch of bleeding heart liberals run you off the site? That's not the way to do it. If you are going to leave the site go out with a bang. At least I would. Obviously, if there ever was anything close to a civil war in this country it's obvious who would be against who. Honestly, I believe people who are against capitalism should be considered a terrorist in the United States. I say this because this ideology is aggressive like African Honeybees are to European Honeybees. They can't co-exist together.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-10T23:31:36.2047710Z
@Haroush -- I agree with you that you shouldn't let some bleeding heart liberal push you off this site. Instead, you should go back at them and prove them wrong and ignorant at every opportunity using facts, data, logic, and common sense; this is what I ALWAYS do. || However, I disagree with your labeling of Socialists as terrorists in the U.S. Although I think Socialism is amazingly ignorant, unfair, stupid, a lazy ideology, the unquestionable start to the failure of a society, a major reason for a stagnant economy, a major reason for the hampering of human growth and societal & cultural advancement among MANY other things; they do NOT meet the 3 legal qualifiers to meet the qualifications to be classified a domestic terrorist as defined by the FBI.
Haroush says2015-09-10T23:35:09.8568822Z
@MSPD, What do you think about my comment about them not being able to co-exist together?
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-11T00:02:00.8548674Z
@Haroush -- You are EXACTLY correct on that statement. They are literally polar opposites in every way; Socialism puts the desires, wants and needs of the nation above the desires, wants and needs of the individual. Socialism also focuses on stagnation of life status as well as the full neglect and complete negation of the individual's ability to increase or better their station in society; this is currently referred to as "Class Warfare". Socialism also retains ALL wealth of the nation-state within the possession of the ruling class; exception to this rule is only available by STRICT approval of the ruling class. We currently refer to this as "Income Inequality" which these Liberals and Socialists are claiming to be against. Additionally, there is a complete lack of all freedoms for the members of Socialist nation-states. Furthermore, the Socialist nation-state is always focused on the desires of the ruling class, never on the desires or even the NEEDS (outside of the VERY basic necessities for sustaining life) of the "Peasant Class" otherwise referred to as "subjects". This imbalance of power, control, freedom, voice, etc. ALWAYS leads to the Socialist nation-state being designed, NOT around the people or growth of societal well being, but instead leads to the Socialist nation-state being designed and built strictly around military force for conquering more lands and people in which to service and increase the wealth of the ruling class. There are many other examples but we will stop here. || Because I want this to remain relatively brief, I will let you list what the capitalist nation-state stands for and offers and how it contradicts the Socialist nation-state. || If anyone has any questions or conflicts or believes they see a place where I am wrong or Socialism is better, feel free to list your objections so I can review, research and rebut your claims with the intention of educating the community.
Midnight1131 says2015-09-11T00:20:01.3002918Z
I'll call it now, she'll be back. I tried to leave this site before, it's not easy.
MakeSensePeopleDont says2015-09-11T00:25:57.8318334Z
@Midnight1131 -- I know what you mean. I took the past couple weeks off but just came back today. I guess I just REALLY enjoy educating the public. I don't have the platform or capital to educate very many people, so I use this site to reach out to as many people as possible. If I can teach one single person only one single thing, it is well worth my time and effort :)
LowInfoVoter says2015-09-12T05:37:20.1738740Z
"That so many fear the black panthers makes me wish for more black panthers" (TBR). HAHAHA.....LOL! Fear? Nobody with a conceal carry permit fears these hippy dippy racist loons. BLM are indoctrinated sheeple expressing moms and dads....Sorry dad is absent from the family picture, however, the disgusting rhetoric from major racist entities that are looking for hand outs or race baiting-pay-day "al sharptons" and BLM are a sense of entitlement class. You want to discuss oppression relative to this decade? Yazidis in Iraq and middle east! Homosexuals in the middle east! "western Privilege" in the middle east! Women under Sharia Law in the middle east and America! All these topics are way more relevant than slavery (lets be honest, that is the root of BLM movement) which ended 150 years ago in 1865. TBR, your the coolest arm chair hero in this forum, however frustratingly enough, and evident enough from the propaganda that you regurgitate in other threads on this site, your ideals amass less than 2% of a population of 350 million plus living in this country (America). "Securely", and i am sure frustratingly enough in your life, your opinion is irrelevant outside this site. HAHAHAHAH....Thank you so much for the laugh though.
TBR says2015-09-14T17:13:45.2613977Z
Less than 2%? Abortion, magority, gun regulations, majority, same-sex, majority. I think it might be consertativesare out of step

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